ZEPHEAD

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Come on, man.

We're talking about something cosmetic. The dangers in pro wrestling and boxing go far beyond that. Blood is only a big issue because a) it makes nancies quiver and it gives haters another excuse to dismiss the sport. It's a cut....a cut.

Not Owen Hart falling to his death or Sid Viscious snapping his leg in half. It isn't Mick Foley purposely wounding himself or taking 100 pain pills a night to shake off the stress of it all.

You watch boxing and think that cut is considered more barbaric than repeatedly bouncing somebodys head around for 12 rounds? It's a cut. He'll have a hell of a chunk of scar tissue there, that's it. They should have stopped the fight, they always do when a cut is too deep. This was a one of a kind situation as far as I can remember.

How many people a year die in boxing, 6? WTF is a standing 8 count? Do they really think in 8 seconds dude is going to be okay? Boxing is as barbaric as it gets. Guy gets dropped. Can barely stand up with the help of the ropes. The ref asks "Are you good". Boxer replies "Tuesday" Ref lets them continue. Now fast forward 5 years later. Guy can hardly speak, Don King has ripped off millions from him and so he has to fight to make more money and he gets hit in the head 80 times in a fight and that's not even county sparring.

Chuck does get a percentage of the PPV. Tickets don't sell out in minutes. Zuffa comps tickets to every bout. The UFC does make some serious coin. There is so many bonuses that are out of the limelight that we don't know about. Can't forget about the sponsers for the fights.

As for Randy, Chuck is the face of the UFC. Randy is a nice feel good story, but Chuck is the one that was on Conan, MTV, ESPN, ESPN the Magizine etc. etc. Randy signed a contract and now is mad about the contract he signed, so he is walking away. The money is just starting to roll in for MMA

Yeah, maybe the UFC and Arlovski's falling out has extended a little ways back. If he's going to leave, why give him a headline fight? It'll only be advertising him for the future when he fights in another org.

ARLOVSKI REP REFUTES REPORT

http://thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=5698

I was waiting for Cote to do what he did to Grove. I knew he had it in him (Heavy hands) it just had to come together.

Anybody watch the fights on HDNet?

i should've clarified myself. I was referring to Rashad Evans

I agree. To many good 205' out there for him to compete against. Do you think he could cut the wait?

truth be told i think Evans should drop to 185 as well.

Evan has been at 185 for a couple of years. His first fight with Franklin in 2003 was when he started fighting at 185. His last fight at 205 was against Shannon Ritch at a event called FCFF, Full Contact Fighting Federation out of Oregon. That event ended becoming Strike Force that is owned by Randy Coutre and Matt Linland

agreed man, its a great time to be an mma fan.

just saw on mmajunkie.com that bisping confirms he is moving to middleweight.

he will be higher ranked at that division, but it doesnt matter, he still wont be able to beat franklin, never mind ever contending with silva

Bisping will still have his hands full at 185. Leaving Silva at of it, he has to beat Franklin, Dan Henderson, Dean Lister (To people who don't know, The Boogeyman, is one of the best grapplers in the world), Evan Tanner (He's comg back) Nathan Marquardt . The list goes on and on. But I agree with you, Franklin and Silva are out of his league, let alone the ones I mention above

Ill drink to that!

now, only problems is, we need to wait 6 months for it to happen :doh:

Yea, sucks we have to wait that long for it, but we have this card on Dec. 29 to occupy us:

http://79.ufc.com/

And then this card on Jan. 19th

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.fightCard&eid=1001

And then this Jan. 23rd.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=9117

And then this on Feb, 2nd

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=1023

I don't know why they don't show the other fights, but this is them:

Tim Sylvia vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueria

Tyson Griffin vs. Gleison Tibau

Nate Marwuardt vs. Thales Leites

Alan Belcher vs. Ricardo Almeida

Terry Martin vs. Marvin Eastman

Thomas Drwal vs. David Heath

And then UFC 82 on March 1st.

Anderson Silva vs. Dan Henderson

Jon Fitch vs. Akihiro Gono

John Halverson vs. Jorge Gurgel

Josh Koschecl vs. Dustin Hazelett

Other fights TBA.

And that's only the UFC. You have the HDNets Fights to night. IFL Gran Prix finals on Dec. 29th. M-1 on Dec. 31st.

The WCO on Jan. 12th with Babalu and Vernon White. Ricco Rodriguez and Mike Kyle. Gustavo Machado and Joe Riggs. Mark Kerr is back in action against Rick Roofus. Also Cabbage and Tiki are fighting on the card. MMA is blowing up

Zep, agreed 100% And yes, that slam by Page on Arona was pure beast!Having that said, I do agree that rampage is incredibly strong.

IMO, Randy and forrests game plan is gonig to look similar, if not identical to the game lan randy used vs gonzaga. Pin him up against the cageand use dirty boxing.

You may think that wont work because page is too strong, but IMO its the best option for forrest. like you said, if forrest goes down, his chances of winnng diminish significantly. Then again, the man chocked out Rua.

Once in the cage, anything can happen

I agree. Dirty boxing is gonna play a big part in this fight. The clinch game is the weakest part of Page's game. I don't care who wins this fight, I just want a war

While I think that rampage is the hands down favorite, and deservedly so, you cannot doubt ANYONE who trains with randy. Randy is hands down the best when it comes to gameplans and executing them. that, in turn, is also shown through his fighters. Therefore, I fully expect to see forrest come in, and not only put up a fight, but a hell of a fight worthy of knocking off the champ

I agree. Randy can game plan like nobody else. But the problem fighting Page is, he is so strong and can take a beating. Page is a wrestler first. So to come in and try toshot to take him down won't work. Page doesn't stand straight up like a striker. He crouches a little waiting for the shot. And his strength is amazing.

If you saw his KO win over Ricardo Arona in Pride,you'll know just how strong he is. They were on the ground, with Page on top. Arona was holding both of Page's hands to his stomach. In one motion Page stands up, picks Arona up over his head and slams him down and KO's him.

The game plan that Forrest has to have is, hurt or get Page off his game in the standup and then go for the clinch, from there work for the double leg and get him down. Forrest has some decent Jui Jitsu so submitting Page isn't out of the question

HDNET will take over the UFC eventually I beleive

Cuban has the money to do it. He has Guy Mezger running the org. for him. Guy has fought for a long time and knows alot of people. Guys a good dude and love the sport so he's gonna get good free agents and up and comers. Cuban also has a show on HDNet called: Inside MMA with Kenny Rice and Bas Rutten running the show. They have a panel of three guests, usually 2 fighters and a MMA writer. A pretty good show.

Hmmmm. I have Dtv, but I don't see a channel 79. What's the name of the channel?

It's HDNet. You have to have the Hi-Def package to have it. To me, it's the best channel on TV. They show concerts (Godsmack, Collective Soul, Styx etc. etc.) MMA fights, boxing, the NHL, Nascar Replay, Dan Rather Reports, shows like The Black Connelly's, Torchwood, Arrested Development and Dead Like Me.

It's own by Mark Cuban who is a big MMA Fan. On New Years Eve he is broadcastng the first show of the new MMA league M-1 that Fedor signed to. Also on the card is Gilbert Melendez, Kazuo Misaki, Luiz Azeredo, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Murilo Bustamante, Hayoto "Mach" Sakurai and Gesias "JZ" Calvancanti . I think that they are try to become the new Pride. They signed Ricardo Arona, Josh Barnett and Mark Hunt.

I heard Trigg fights tonight, what channel will that be on?

If you have DirectTV it is channel 79

Oh cool, what's your website?

Forrest does have to bring together an all-around game. His chin is good, no matter how you judge the Jardine fight. Jardine spanked him with about 4 good hooks to put him down, and Forrest still fought back while he was down. Albeit his jaw may not survive a good Rampage haymaker.

My disagreement is with Forrest having to throw knees because of what Wanderlei and Shogun did to Rampage. Rampage has definitely made advancements in his game since those fights happened. He was a brawling, out of shape fighter. Now he's disciplined and in fantastic shape. He has worked on his weaknesses, and is definitely the man at LHW throughout the world. I'd be surprised if Rua of 2005 could take the Rampage of 2007.

Forrest's ground game has obviously taken strides. I think you're right that it's where he needs to find himself against Rampage. You know Randy will be preaching the clinch and takedowns throughout Forrest's training. Nonetheless, I think Rampage will still beat Forrest on the ground. However, I will be pleasantly surprised if Forrest wins, even though I really like Rampage, too. These are my two favorite fighters. :doh: :doh:

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If you get HDNet (Mark Cuban owns it) They are having their second fight card Staurday night http://www.hdnetfights.com/

Wow, I was wondering why Rua looked like a jelly bean before that fight...thanks for the info. How'd you know it was a torn ACL?

Forrest doesn't have KO power, the standup goes to Rampage. Forrest stays in the pocket with Rampage, we know who will most likely get clocked harder. On the ground, I'd have to give it to 'Page again, even though Forrest handled Rua really well. Just more experience, against the best fighters in the world, and he won't have a torn ACL. He is a monster wrestler - just watch how methodical and intense he was against Henderson. Impressive.

For Forrest to win, he has to take advantage of Randy's teachings and get in the clinch. Limit Rampage against the fence, score points. Otherwise, stay out of the pocket and score with leg kicks and counter pages haymakers. Just stay out of his way.

I'm a moderator on a MMA website. We get alot of scoops. Forrest has to learn knees. It's what Wanderia Silva use to crush Rampage twice in Pride and Rua used to beat him. Griffin needs to use the clinch, to dirty boxing and then take Page down. Just standing and banging, Page is to good at blocking and will slam Griffin

IMHO-

This fight comes too soon for Griffin. He shocked the world vs. Rua but he still needs more in his arsenal if he's going to hang with Jackson.

Rua had torn is ACL before the fight and has had surgery since.

Rua destroyed Ramapage. KO'd him in the first round. His only other loses are to Mark Coleman (A HW. Coleman went for the takedown and Rua posted and dislocated his elbow) and he lost to Reneto Sobaral (Another HW who beat Rua, Tervor Prangley and Jeremy Horn all in one night to win a IFC turnoment)

Rua has KO's Alistir Overeem twice. Submitted Kevin Randleman. Beat Lil Nog by deciosn and then KO'd Ricardo Arona to win a Pride Torny. KO's Akira Shoji and Akihiro Gono. Also has a decision win over Nakamura. Plus he has won 3 Mecca fights in Brazil that are bareknuckle anything goes.

He is only 26 and hasn't really reached his prime yet.

To say Griffin needs more in his arsenal to beat Rampage, I don't think thats true.

curran is a good test for faber, he's fought in pride alot. Curran really fought out of division for most of his career at 155, where all of his losses have come. He hasn't been defeated at 145, and he's a bjj blackbelt.

faber should win, but curran will definitely test him.

Sorry bro, Curran only fought in Pride once. This was his 4th fight in the WEC. He's fought in the UFC, KOTC (King Of The Cage) Hook-n-Shoot, FCC (Freestyle Combat Challenge) and other smaller shows.

He's been defeated at 145lbs 4 times. He lost to Hatsu Hioki at Pride Bushido 12 by decision. He lost to Norifumi Yamamoto at Super Brawl 29 ( It's held in Hawaii) by decision. He lost to Ivan Menjvar at UCC 10 (Held in Canada) by decision and he lost to Anthony Hamlett by KO in Hook-n-Shoot.