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Just now, bearrock said:

 

I think at least 3, most likely 4 will be considered a bust out of the top 5 QBs.  There is rarely, if ever, a safe QB pick anyway.  I'm not gonna fault the team for swinging for the fences.  Hopefully it works out.

I know it’s crazy with QBs. I think this is one Qb class I will follow very closely because of all the footage I have watched on them the past several months.

14 minutes ago, DiscoBob said:

Is there anyone out there that is still projecting us to take Maye? I just need one credible source to hang my hopes on for the next 13 hours.... (at which point they will be dashed on the rocks)

I am very depressed about it as well. I think Grant Paulson summed it up the best when he was on the Sheehan show yesterday. Finally someone on the radio said Daniels in his opinion was likely to bust out of the 5 quarterbacks. “

5 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I'd rather he focus on being the best QB ever. Why add the running caveat?

 

This coupled with his goal of winning the Heisman instead of winning a natty is just...concerning.

 

He's everything I thought Williams would be. Not a bad kid but just...something is off character wise.

 

God I really really hope we don't draft him.

Honestly the more I hear and read the more I don’t want this guy. If true that he wants to be the best running Qb ever then this reunion with him will be short lived.

I am praying we don’t hear his name called tomorrow night

15 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

None of those “leaks” are from the team. Theyre people on the outside speculating.

I know and hoping albeit slim that the pick is not Daniels. Kinda getting prepared that it will be him

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I bring it up because I recall your post was deep and layered as to his issues.  And it wasn't just his footwork with you.

 

There is enough smoke out there, that at a minimum this FO concerns with Maye run deeper than the other 2.   Whether they are right or wrong, will see. 

 

 

None of it though has been from the team.  Feels like most (not all) of the NFL personnell-coaching types prefer Daniels and they assume that will filter to Washington. 

 

Only thing that seems a leak from a team (will see if there is fire to the smoke) is Maye is out. 

Yes hoping that nothing from the team will provide some hope albeit slim that it’s not Daniels. My honest opinion is that Maye will be better than Daniels for the long haul. Daniels had a great year and is dynamic but I just see too much recklessness from the him with such a thin built.

1 hour ago, sinews said:

I know it seems utterly perverse to be hanging on at this point with all the info out but I honestly still think there's a solid chance Maye is the selection.

 

I'm not holding out or banking on it, just think the door isn't shut. 

For a team that is suppose to keep things hush hush there has been nothing but leaks from different pundits saying their sources have Daniels to Washington for several weeks now 

5 hours ago, Going Commando said:

 

If they pick Jayden and he busts, and Maye goes on to succeed, that's going to be it for me.  So they better be right if they do.

Same here for me. I am totally against drafting Daniels.

5 hours ago, Panninho said:

Well there are e.g. The Athletic's Nate Tice and BleacherReportin general who have him as QB1... just saying 

 

28 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Doesnt make sense to me either but ultimately Im just a dumb fan so wtf do I know? Still feel like Daniels over Maye is a colossal blunder but Ill learn to live with it.

I am with you as well. I am really still surprised it’s going to be Daniels. Sure I will still hold out hope for Thursday but the writing is on the wall for JD

1 minute ago, BurgundyBooger said:

 

I'm not a general manager or a football expert, but my years as a director of Human Resources has taught me if someone's heart and/or focus isn't in the work, position, or the department in which they work, you don't try to force them to like it or adjust to the situation. I'm pretty sure these are just rumors, but if there is any semblance of truth in them, then I would hope that Peters takes JD's reservations and preference into serious consideration.

I have seen it so many times over the years as well with people including myself. 
I don’t agree with Keim on the team taking Daniels regardless of what he or his agent thinks. My gut tells me that Quinn and KK are pushing for Daniels and Peters may give way to that.

If that’s the case then I am not happy with the Peters hire. Hard to believe you would pick someone who does not want to come here. I am sure there is some truth to it if Daniels publicist had to put out a statement.

5 hours ago, redskinss said:

Just watched drakes 2022 all throws and runs.

If we pass on him we're gonna regret it.

 

Your right it will be a huge mistake. He is also a better leader than Daniels who is too reserved for me. My gut tells me in 4 years Maye will be better than Daniels. I see too much careless in Daniels game not protecting himself and leaving his feet. 

7 hours ago, illone said:

I doubt Peters is seriously considering Daniels.

 

Jayden is a RPO Qb and operated from the SHOTGUN for his entire college career AND didn't have the film study nailed to be able to read and diagnose things pre-snap. This does not fit the profile of the type of player that Peters wins with or even has experience with.

 

Where Jayden improved greatly is post snap reads, which is great, but he still isn't ready to handle pre-snap reads, and he hasnt proven he can play under center. This is kind of a big deal.

 

For context, I took a look at Adam Peters' draft history with regards to the position.

 

Here is an exhaustive list of all QBs he was directly or indirectly involved in drafting over the years:

 

Patriots:

Kliff Kingsbury - 2003

Matt Cassell - 2005

Kevin O'Connell - 2008

 

Broncos:

Tom Brandstater - 2009

Tim Tebow - 2010

Brock Osweiler - 2012

Zac Dysert - 2013

Trevor Siemian - 2015

Paxton Lynch - 2016

 

San Fran:

CJ Beathard - 2017

Trey Lance - 2021

Brock Purdy - 2022

 

I only see two names on this list that would be considered RPO players: Tebow and Lance. (*Note: Adam Peters was a scout during the 2010 season, and Josh McDaniels gets most of the blame for the Tebow pick)

 

Peters was in New England during the first part of Brady's run, and was in Denver when Peyton Manning played there. Both pocket QBs.

 

Peters came on board with San Fran the year after Kaepernick left, and they quickly acquired Garoppolo, another pocket QB.

 

Purdy is a pocket QB.

 

Do we really think Peters is going to target an RPO player when he has never had success with that type of player before?

 

I think it's been Maye vs JJ all along and the NFL draftniks went WAY too hard in the paint with regards to Jayden Daniels. 

 

JD does not fit the Adam Peters profile. 

Very good post. You make some great points. Hopefully Peters is not persuaded by DQ or KK to go elsewhere with the pick

38 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

I think it's possible that the agent and Jayden may prefer to play in Vegas or Minnesota and they think if we pass on him and take Maye that the Patriots will be amenable to dealing him to one if those teams.

 

That’s an excellent point. I sense that Daniels does not want to come to Washington. If that’s the case I hope that Peters and Co sense it as well

38 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

I think it's possible that the agent and Jayden may prefer to play in Vegas or Minnesota and they think if we pass on him and take Maye that the Patriots will be amenable to dealing him to one if those teams.

 

That’s an excellent point. Starting to sense that Daniels does not want to come to Washington. If that’s the case I hope that Peters and Co sense it as well

9 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:

If Daniels came out at Lamar’s age, he would probably have been a 5th rd pick. Same as what Peters supposedly told him.

 

You take out 2023 and Jayden is still a 4th or 5th rounder. Having a single good year as a 5 year player is suspect.
 

Dude is a guaranteed bust in the making. All the red flags are there. 1 year wonder. Problems in the locker room at ASU. Aloof and self centered in his interviews always about him instead of the team. Toothpick frame that will never last a full NFL season. It’s not only wasting the second overall pick on him it’s the 2 to 4 years of wasted time before we trade the sunk cost. Should have kept Howell if this was the direction Peters is taking. 

I would hate the pick. Peters was executive that I wanted this past offseason. Really excited what we did in free agency, but taking Daniels would lower my opinion of him. Heard Sheehan on 980 the other day saying any QB can get hurt. Sure they can but Daniels does not protect himself and I saw some of the hits he took running. Eventually the physicality will do him in. He looked like a rail walking in the airport last night.

I didn’t want Chase Young in 2020 and my pick would have been Herbert. I watched his games and knew Herbert had no receivers just like Maye. His best receiver Johnny Johnson is on a future reserves contract and he likely has no career in the NFL.

Chase could not handle the better tackles in college. His last game against Clemson was the kicker for me. He had no answer for Jackson Carman and the DC had to move him around to try and get pressure.  

1 hour ago, Going Commando said:

 

I'm convinced drafting Daniels over Maye is a mistake, and I don't have any interest in rationalizing or normalizing a mistake.  I can't cope with a loss of faith in the team by trying to trick myself.  I'm just going to have to take a step back if/when we do it, and accept that my expectations got too high.  This team is not worth high blood pressure.

That is how I feel. Going to be very upset if Daniels is the pick. Don’t like his style of play challenging defenders and getting knocked on his back 10 yards backwards. He is not going to last into his thirties with his body type not avoiding contact.
We have a chance to draft a big guy with a cannon of a arm who can throw into tight windows. Has enough athletic ability to make off schedule throws and is younger than Daniels. JD was not as good as Maye at 21. 
Really surprised Peters would consider taking JD given the risk factor. Sure Maye could get hurt but he has a better chance to play 12-14 yds than Daniels.

53 minutes ago, bh32 said:

I still think it's Maye..It just dosen't make any sense to draft a QB that is older with a lower ceiling over a QB that has a higher ceiling that is younger with prototypical measurements..I could see it if this was a GM and HC that was in say year 2 or 3 of a build,But to be in your first year together? It's just foolish with the red flags that JD has.

Exactly I am fully with you. Daniels age related should be going into his 2nd year in the NFL. Maybe it’s not that big of a deal and I do give him credit for having an outstanding year. Just don’t like his long term outlook with his style of play and thin frame. Plus the having outstanding Wrs and a good OL.

I am not too concerned with Maye having a down year. New OC mediocre wideouts and bad offensive line. I feel it was expected. I believe his upside is so much better than Daniels

7 hours ago, Going Commando said:

 

Absolutely not.  If Peters and Quinn mess this up, they need to go.  They've been given the second overall pick in a QB class with at least two blue chippers, opportunites don't get better than this.

 

If it fails, we need to move on with a new regime and let them pick the next QB prospect.

I agree want no part of Daniels

30 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

What gets me is they're just wrong about Daniels's processing.  They push that bull**** narrative about some magic VR machine teaching him how to read a defense and that's why he could finally make plays in his fifth year as a starter, and nevermind the fact that he's playing for a great coach now and had clean pockets to throw to a bunch of elite receivers where the reads were easy and he had all day to make them.

 

One of the scouts even recognizes the parallel to Fields, but doesn't seem to recognize that Fields was a bust, and that building an NFL offense around his running ability didn't work.

 

And then the big justification for Daniels over Maye is because he'll be ready to play year one?  The kid who took five years of college ball for the lightbulb to come on is a better bet to play well in year one than the kid who was one of the best players in the country his first year as a starter?

 

It's so dumb that it literally makes me angry that these morons have the jobs that they do.

Your so right on this. We have might not pick this high again for 10 years or so. This is a golden opportunity to get a Qb who can give you 12-15 years. I just don’t believe Daniels will give us anything close to that. 
In fact I would set the over under in him being a starter at 7 years. That would put him at 30 completing 7 years. With his frame and style of play it’s hard to believe he could have a long career. I have watched his games and many more cut ups of him, and he does not shy away from contact. 
He had a very good year and is very talented but these coaches want to win now and don’t care about 7 or 8 years down the road. 
Honestly this should be easy for Peters. He may have a chance of being here long term 15-20 years. He is only 44, and that’s how he should approach this with selecting a Qb. May was a much better Qb at this age than Daniels. Sure he had a slight down year but we all know why(new OC porous OL and less than stellar receivers)and it should not be held against him.Chances are good Dan Quinn will be gone in 4-7 years and many of his assistants gone in 2-3 years.

No need to overthink this.

1 hour ago, TheGoodBits said:

1 hour ago, TheGoodBits said:

God I will puke if we draft Daniels and Giants trade up to 3 for Maye. 

That would be a disaster. That’s my biggest fear with us taking Daniels other than I believe Maye is just the better long term prospect.

3 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I honestly believe that Maye has been the pick for some time and everything else has been due dilligence and general media smoke/time filler.

I hope your right. Was reading on a site where Commander fans said that Daniels made M.Nabor’s and B. Thomas into the high first rounders that they are evaluated at.

To me Nabors is the best receiver in this draft. Seen enough film on him to know he would make any Qb better. I also like MHJR and Odunze a lot, but Nabors film is amazing

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Maye is this draft's Herbert. Most people were very high on Herbert until draft time got near and then he suddenly became the most heavily scrutinized QB and all of his flaws were amplified by sports talking heads left and right.

Fully agree with eerily the same mediocre receivers

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

You take the long term guy when you're in year 1 of a new regime picking #2 overall. You don't take a 24 year old running QB who weights as much as a beanpole.

I agree with you completely. I called in last week when Kevin Sheehan asked callers who do you think the team will pick. I said Maye because he was better than Daniels at age 21 and it was not even close.

Obviously the upside is a factor as well. I also thought Maye’s situation this past year was similar to Justin Herbert’s final year at Oregon when he posted good numbers despite not having the receivers not even close to being as good as Tua’s at Alabama or Burrow’s at LSU.

Daniels frame is an issue for me and the weight as well. Sure I get any QB can get hurt any given Sunday but the risk would be too high for me. 

3 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Its gonna be Maye and its likely been Maye for a while. Everything else is due dilligence and media filling air time. 

I firmly agree. Peters has an idea for sometime. We all just have wait out the process

On 3/16/2024 at 8:41 AM, AlwaysBeRedskins2Me said:

This isn't the most manly thing to say but I record y&r and bold and the beautiful five days a week on my dvr. And watch them all. Lol. 

Wow that’s crazy. I watch both of them as well. My fiancée got me back into them 4 years ago. I usually watch them late at night after I get enough sports thru out the day

33 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Guys, we will NOT be giving Vrabel any chance. He butted heads with Ron Carthon who is boys with Adam Peters. It will never ever ever happen here. That isn't even factoring in that Vrabel wants roster control.

Yeah I know that’s what I have been telling my friends.

36 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Macdonald is gone. Its gonna be Quinn. What a colossal disappointment 

I agree. Would be shocked if McDonald is not a Seahawk by tomorrow.