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52 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

My Wife and I had our graduations canceled due to COVID.

 

We were going to get our Masters and walk at the same time in the same stage after getting married while still in grade Scholes together.

 

This same campus is not to far removed from something similar the whole country went through, pretty much every campus.

 

We survived that. They survived it as well.

45 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

 

A few hundred thousand people in the military that miss births, funerals, and a million other things tell those kids to eat a bag of dicks.

Ok?

But...how does anything of this change 'not having a graduation because people are protesting over something the college can't do a single thing about' is not a good thing narrative?

Yeah of course they'll survive, and it may not be a big deal to some, that's not the point. To others, it IS a big deal. It's a huge deal. You can't just be dismissive of those to whom it is a big deal...

Sheesh, have a heart!

4 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 Life in today's NFL sucks with crappy corners and that's what we have today.  

Maybe. But I don't think that's a given.

I think coaching (or lack thereof) was a significant reason for the crappiness of last year...

4 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

1 hour ago, Renegade7 said:

For better or worse, the protest are causing disruption bringing further attention to the matter they are protesting.

 

Not everyone is tuned into what's going on in Gaza the way some of us are.  And protests are not meant to be convenient.

After tens of thousands of dollars and years of hard work, I'm denied one of the most important moments of my young life over something my college can't do a single thing about?

Yeah, no. There's no silver lining to this, lol

I expect us to get stronger as the season goes on. What that translates to as far as wins and losses, I have no idea.

The offseason has been amazing. But everything is still new. New coaches, new systems, etc. I expect there to be hiccups, and I expect fans to overreact to them

2 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Is it possible that "people" just aren't as good as we like to think? "Good people" are more of an aberration than a norm?

People have always been awful. We just have many more and much better ways of displaying that awfulness now 🙂

Also, I do think that awfulness is actually increasing - not sure which gen. to blame though - boomers, Gen X, millennials, Gen Y, Gen Z? All of the above?

18 minutes ago, Fergasun said:

Here's the plot. This is an escalation of a war going on for decades. Blaming Joe Biden is exactly what Iran, Russia and China want.  College students should be smarter.

Nothing works better in their favor than a divided America.

And if this is still a big issue in November and works in his favor, they would be ecstatic with an easily manipulated Trump back in the White House.

BLUF - there is nothing good coming from any of this 😩 The war, the protests, it's all....stupid!

10 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Israel definitely oppresses Palestinians…

Oh yeah, not disputing that at all.

My response was to the reasons why Hamas attacked on Oct. 7th. Specifically Hamas, and not the Palestinians in general!

13 hours ago, China said:

During a “verbal altercation,” Medley grabbed a bag of Church’s Chicken from his sister and began throwing pieces of chicken at her. “One piece of fried chicken hit the victim in the back and left debris of food on her shoulders,” a patrolman reported.

My God. What is wrong with people?

Is she ok??? 😨

On 4/30/2024 at 5:42 PM, tshile said:

Little push back on this one. As someone who thinks Israel is justified in what they’re currently doing (I define “justified” as believing we would react the same way, therefore I don’t want to be a hypocrite, while recognizing what is happening is awful)

 

As much as I think you have to park history if the goal is peace - you can’t look at things in a vacuum. You can’t look at one action and ignore the preceding actions. Hamas didn’t only do it because they believe in the destruction of Israel and the Jews - they did it because they’re actively oppressed by Israel.

And, a little push back on this.

Not quite. There's only a slight case to be made there. And you are absolutely right, you have to look at all preceding actions as well. Hamas' founding wasn't necessarily born out of Israeli oppression. It's an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood and can really trace it's inception to '67, when the goal was simply - get rid of Israel. Nothing they have done (i.e., using Palestinians as human shields) really suggest they're doing this simply because of the plight of the Palestinians.

The attack came as Israel was actively normalizing relations with it's neighbors and those that historically have hated them. UAE, Bahrain, even Sudan, and more importantly (for the sake of keeping Iran in check in the region) Saudi Arabia. Without a doubt, one of the goals was to disrupt this.

Another of the goals, per Hamad's interview, was because - "Israel is a country that has no place on our land.......We must remove it because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation. We are not ashamed to say this."

12 minutes ago, Metalhead said:

*sticks fingers in ears* Nope

My Memories reminded me that 15 years ago swine flu started to gain major traction around this time

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic

So glad we learned so many lessons from that 🙂

6 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

I have expounded.

 

That was your initial post.

 

"Also, they pretty much are still calling for the elimination of Isreal. Basically, the big difference between the first and second charters is that instead of the elimination of all Jews, they'll just settle for Israel..."

 

That statement isn't true.

It's not true because you say it's not true?

A quick 5 second google search will show you that nothing I have said is in contradiction to Hamas' words, actions, and the charter.

55 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

You do realize none of your response has anything to do with my question or your initial post.  What the Hamas charter physically says is independent of whether they are lying or not, and as the charter didn't change on Oct. 7th, what happened on Oct 7th has no bearing on what the charter physically says.  You made your initial post about what is in their charter.  Not about whether Hamas is being honest in their charter or what happened on Oct. 7.

 

Can you reason at that level?

 

****

 

But what the charter actually says about the destruction of Israel doesn't depend on any of that and is easily verifiable with a 5 second google search.)

 

In the context of anything relevant to the conversation, your initial post, my question, and anything I've said, your whole post is worthless.

No, my initial post was in response to the notion that - "Hamas realistically today is at least portraying itself as one of the more moderate armed anti-Israeli organizations in that they are no longer actively calling for the elimination Israel."

How one can come to this conclusion is beyond me. There's no evidence they're trying to portray themselves as such.

Your assumption that they are "no longer actively calling for the elimination of Israel" because it doesn't say so explicitly in their charter is equally misguided.

They are not not calling for the elimination of Israel. Their actual actions are 100% proof of that.

The original charter was tempered down as it was seen as too anti-Semitic. So now, per their charter, the enemy is Zionists vice all Jews. There is NO language in the document that affirms Israel's right to exist.

So we have:

A terrorist organization who's stated enemy are zionists, and who want to create a state that doesn't recognized Israel's right to exist, and just carried out the first invasion of Israel in decades. And the conclusion is - Hamas realistically today is at least portraying itself as one of the more moderate armed anti-Israeli organizations in that they are no longer actively calling for the elimination Israel

Please, please expound.

On 4/29/2024 at 11:29 AM, Est.1974 said:

Get him another stud WR and one more upgrade on the OL. Those would be my post draft priorities, even at the cost of 2025 draft picks.

Yes to the upgrades. No to the 'even at the cost of 2025 draft picks'. Unless it's a really really really good deal.....

The coaches are, at least in my opinion, not in win now mode. We need to accumulate draft picks for next year, to continue to build that foundation that lasts for years to come.

43 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

You also didn't answer my question.

I'm guessing this question - "Seriously, why would you come in and post something that is easily disprovable with a 5 second google search?"

Your post pretty much answered it. Look at the mental gymnastics you had to do to (unsuccessfully) paint Hamas in a more moderate light. Or at least more moderate than the other terrorist organizations.

When one's actions are in direct contradiction to their words, what am I supposed to believe? Their actions or their words? You think a terrorist organization is incapable of lying?

Look at the October 7th recruitment videos and tell me with a straight face Hamas has seen the light and changed their ways.

Everything Hamas has ever actually done is about as far from "moderate" as you can get. Yet, you think that because on a terrorist organization's useless charter they don't explicitly call for the destruction of Israel, they are?

Based on their actual actions, which includes the worst attack on Jews since the holocaust and starting a war, please clarify.

At some point, we're going to run out of things to bet on...

Anyone want to bet on when that happens?

12 hours ago, PeterMP said:

(Seriously, why would you come in and post something that is easily disprovable with a 5 second google search?  Though, I guess I don't know what you mean by pretty much.  It either does or does not actively call for the elimination of Israel.  And it doesn't.  It doesn't actively endorse the existence of Israel but that's not the same thing as calling for its destruction.)

 

1) What do you think that means? You can't possibly be that ignorant.They will never recognize Israel as a legitimate state (stated in both charters, but more importantly, repeated extensively by their leaders <-- that's what matters more...the words of their leaders) and they want to create a Palestinian state. Say they create the state - Do you honestly believe, based on their actions, that they will be satisfied and start singing kumbaya with the Israelis, who they see as illegitimate? Come on...

2) You never answered the question.

"Hamas realistically today is at least portraying itself as one of the more moderate armed anti-Israeli organizations in that they are no longer actively calling for the elimination Israel."

Was this before or after 7 Oct?

You honestly think their actions were "moderate"? Or that's what they're trying to portray themselves as?

10 hours ago, Barry.Randolphe said:

 

He drives by and posts IDF talking points that have been debunked and then disappears for a week and rinse, repeat.

It was draft week, which was way more important 😂

I have not posted one IDF talking point...as I have no idea what they are, nor do I care. At all. My position has been stated repeatedly.

I would say you're posting Hamas' talking points, but according to Peter, they are more moderate than you :)

2 hours ago, Destino said:

this started getting tweeted by horror writers on Twitter. Whatever the intention may have been originally what they created was horror. That creature on the far right gets more interesting the longer you look. 

The whole thing gets worse the more you look 😂

I know this will all get fixed in the future, but I love this era of AI right now. Terrifyingly brilliant!

23 hours ago, PeterMP said:

(Hamas realistically today is at least portraying itself as one of the more moderate armed anti-Israeli organizations in that they are no longer actively calling for the elimination Israel.)

Was this before or after October 7th? 😂😂😂

Also, they pretty much are still calling for the elimination of Isreal. Basically, the big difference between the first and second charters is that instead of the elimination of all Jews, they'll just settle for Israel...

5 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

This is moving the goal post.  The point was that what we did in Germany, Japan, tried to in Afghanistan, etc. is fundamentally different than what Israel has tried to do.

 

Doing just what you are responsible for isn't always the right thing or make things better.

 

Were we responsible for rebuilding Japan and Germany after WWII?  And even our allies?  Did we have a responsibility to intiate, support, and fund the Marshall program? 

Yes it is fundamentally different as, at least WWII, had a definitive end. 

We did not start rebuilding as WWII was still going on.

At what point did Israel have any incentive, or even chance, to start creating a strong Palestinian state?

And if Israel wasn't going to do it, what was stopping all of their Arab "friends"?

6 minutes ago, Fergasun said:

@Skins24

It's messy.  And it's not easy to simplify.  

Thus concludes the whole thread 😁

Seriously. This is it. We try to simplify it. Try to put it in black and white. But we could never as it will never be simple and never be black and white.

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That is Jordan whom are considered an ally to Israel.  To us in America, this is somewhat of an insane viewpoint.

Yes, it's an insane view to have our standpoint. The hatred runs deep, but that deep? And this goes with what we're having now about Israel rebuilding or doing more to prop up a Palestine.

Even if Israel offered to do so, would the Palestinians accept it?

28 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

They've occupied Gaza before.  They did not rebuild it or try to create a government for Palestinians.  This is not comparable.

Was it Israel's responsibility to do so?

And at what point? After '67? After 73?

Rebuilding while actively defending against is difficult.

edit to add: What incentive does Israel have to actively build up nations that want them wiped out? I can't think of one. There would have to be extremely strong guarantees that any money/weapons/etc. would not be used against Israel. Who is going to sign that?

10 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

I think this is not true.  We didn't acquire land in Afghanistan, Germany, or Japan after WWII.

 

We worked to try to rebuild those countries and their governments and leave them better off (at least as we see it) then we left it.

 

Something Israel over the decades with Palestinians haven't done.  Israel hasn't and in this case hasn't shown any indication after we have when we were attacked or fought a war.

 

We spent billions of dollars on things like building roads and schools and a Afghani in Afghanistan.  Israel has never done anything like that.

This is misleading. We DID occupy Germany and Japan after WWII. Recovery efforts (in Germany) didn't start until the late 40s after we disarmed them. Japan later.

The Israel-Palestine conflict hasn't had a chance to end yet, lol.

I figured there would be some who actually see these protests as legit. Maybe for a very slim minority they are, but for the most part...nah. These protests are what happens when a generation is being raised by algorithms. Though I will say, Ryan McBeth in this video does make a great point showing it's probably a bit deeper. (side note - dude has some excellent videos. If you want info on spotting disinfo, or showing how you're being manipulated by social media, his analysis are pretty accurate. And all open/public - of course - which is *fist pump*.)

Anyway, I've said it before - we have atrocities occurring, right now, that are scale and scope worse than anything Israel has ever done. If these protests were really about subjugated people, why the silence for all the others? Russia and Ukraine is an excellent example, and the absolutely foolish argument earlier in this thread that because we're already giving aid to Ukraine, we don't have to protest the atrocities Russia is committing is...mind-blowing.

50 minutes ago, China said:

I guess fire season has begun.

Pretty much on par with last year...

That heavy smoke in early June and over the summer came from eastern Canada, but the smoke we saw in April and May was from western.

Fortunately, doesn't look like much from those ^^ right now

https://fire.airnow.gov/