codeorama Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Originally posted by TD_washingtonredskins IMO, the problem with doing a 3-part series on Boba Fett is that it is way too much time to develop a character. Star Wars movies have always been so grand and epic, to narrow the focus so greatly onto one character (and a minor one at that) would be more like something they should do in a TV series or something. If they wouldn't do post-ROTJ then they should to Pre Prequels. Set the stage for how the Republic was born or something. These movies never really revolved around Darth Vader until Lucas said they did before TPM. The first 3 movies were good vs. evil and nothing more. I agree, but disagree...LOL. I have read quotes from Lucas from the 70's that corrected people that said the movies were about Luke, he said they were more about Anakin/Vader. I agree, it is good vs evil, but even more how evil redeems itself. The PT is about how good becomes evil. I do agree that three movies about boba fett is too much though. good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Moreover, people want to see the Mara Jade character and the Jedi Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Originally posted by codeorama I agree, but disagree...LOL. I have read quotes from Lucas from the 70's that corrected people that said the movies were about Luke, he said they were more about Anakin/Vader. I agree, it is good vs evil, but even more how evil redeems itself. The PT is about how good becomes evil. I do agree that three movies about boba fett is too much though. good point. Yeah, the more you and I trade ideas, the more I think that, if I were Lucas, I would probably stop at 6 movies. Of course, I would love to see more, but it would be difficult to do another triology with the same themes with which the first two were created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Thing is code He's not even really a mystery anymore. He's now the 'son' of a bounty hunter. There's no real backstory to delve into, we know Boba's deal. Sure, you could follow his adventures but I think it'd be tough following a bad guy for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 have any books been written that tell the story of how vader hunted down the rest of the jedi and killed them? i've read a lot of the EU books, but almost all of them were post ROTJ, specifically, the thrawn trilogy and the new jedi order. i think it would make good theater to tell the story in between 3 and 4. and it still gives vader to the masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 I mean seriously though how many movies can you make about vader killing jedis? I can't imagine them being about to make much in between a new III and IV. The only way they could go is after VI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Originally posted by ChocolateCitySkin I mean seriously though how many movies can you make about vader killing jedis? I can't imagine them being about to make much in between a new III and IV. The only way they could go is after VI. i can recall vader killing one jedi, obi won, and he goes voluntarily. (not counting the younglings, who weren't jedis yet). i don't think any of the 6 movies out were "about vader killing jedis." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin Thing is code He's not even really a mystery anymore. He's now the 'son' of a bounty hunter. There's no real backstory to delve into, we know Boba's deal. Sure, you could follow his adventures but I think it'd be tough following a bad guy for too long. I agree with you totally... I've kind of rethought the whole thing, if there were to be three more movies and they stuck to the original concept of taking place in between III and IV, it would have to be based on the events of the jedi purge, because that's the "big event". So how would they do that and NOT include Vader? No clue. I just don't see them having a trilogy featuring an old luke, han and leia... that may ruin the memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Originally posted by TD_washingtonredskins Yeah, the more you and I trade ideas, the more I think that, if I were Lucas, I would probably stop at 6 movies. Of course, I would love to see more, but it would be difficult to do another triology with the same themes with which the first two were created. Yep... I agree totally. I'd stop at 6, any more is almost pointless. However, the TV series is more than likely going to be about the Jedi Purge, surely there will be lots of Bounty Hunters and Jedi trying to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by dviands have any books been written that tell the story of how vader hunted down the rest of the jedi and killed them? i've read a lot of the EU books, but almost all of them were post ROTJ, specifically, the thrawn trilogy and the new jedi order. i think it would make good theater to tell the story in between 3 and 4. and it still gives vader to the masses. This might be covered in the TV series, that they are going to start developing next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by codeorama Exactly, there's no reason to do a post ROTJ set of movies, that would be destined to fail. Anakin/Vader's story is over. IMO, the perfect story for 7-9 would be Han's story, except no one could play Han like Harrison Ford and he couldn't play a younger Han. That leaves Boba Fett IMO. He is a huge mystery so that's who I'd bet on. Think about it, in the years between III and IV, the empire is hunting down jedi, Boba Fett has padawan braids hanging from his armor. He hates the jedi, that would be a cool story. Which is why I called it Episode 3.5 in the title of the thread. I don't think it will be 3 movies though. It will be just 1, and hopefully Spielberg will direct it. There is plenty more to talk about than just Boba Fett, but he will be an interesting character and side story. You could get the story of Han Solo in there, with him and Boba Fett playing cat and mouse. I agree it would have to be a special actor to play Solo, but it could be done. You would also see Vader develop into the evil presence he was in the original movies as he is chasing Obe One and the other surviving Jedi around the galaxy. You would also see Obe One train under Qui Gon as was foreshadowed at the end of ROTS. I definitely think this movie will happen, and I hope Spielberg does it b/c I have a feeling he could make this movie as good as the originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by GSF Which is why I called it Episode 3.5 in the title of the thread. I don't think it will be 3 movies though. It will be just 1, and hopefully Spielberg will direct it. There is plenty more to talk about than just Boba Fett, but he will be an interesting character and side story. You could get the story of Han Solo in there, with him and Boba Fett playing cat and mouse. I agree it would have to be a special actor to play Solo, but it could be done. You would also see Vader develop into the evil presence he was in the original movies as he is chasing Obe One and the other surviving Jedi around the galaxy. You would also see Obe One train under Qui Gon as was foreshadowed at the end of ROTS. I definitely think this movie will happen, and I hope Spielberg does it b/c I have a feeling he could make this movie as good as the originals. Like I said... this may all be covered in the new TV Series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by pez Like I said... this may all be covered in the new TV Series... I hope not. I have a bad feeling that the new tv series will suck even more than the prequels did. I want 1 more movie, and I hope it's done right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Done right by who GSF? Not trying to be a pain in the ass, but this was George's story to tell. Not ours. We were along for the ride. And though with certain things, ( like Yoda's look form I to II), he was willing to listen to we fans, overall he did things the way he visualized. The way he wanted to tell his story. I love the movies and characters as much anyone I think, and though I have certain issues with the movies, ( Killing Darth Maul was one), I realize that's the way things are. Most of the fellows aren't writing and directing things just for our sakes. And just because we buy tickets and such doesn't mean he should. As an artist, you put out things that you like. That you enjoy. That tell a story maybe. You share these things with others and hope they enjoy it or at least appreciate it as you do. But if others don't, then that's also part of the deal. George understands the risk of this, being that it's the money makes on these films and such that make the others. I may not agree with some things he's done, but that's because they don't go with what I thought he should do or what I wanted to see. And that's my problem not George's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 Done right by Spielberg PCS. Yes it's Lucas' story to tell, but he's done a lousy job telling it in the prequels IMO. Too many slick effects, and not enough substance in the areas of character development and creating suspensful, rememberable scenes. Darth Maul, for example, would have been an awesome character to develop, but Lucas didn't bother. I'm really not trying to be a downer here, I just didn't think the prequels were anywhere near as good movies as the originals, and I think they could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by Park City Skins Done right by who GSF? Not trying to be a pain in the ass, but this was George's story to tell. Not ours. We were along for the ride. And though with certain things, ( like Yoda's look form I to II), he was willing to listen to we fans, overall he did things the way he visualized. The way he wanted to tell his story. I love the movies and characters as much anyone I think, and though I have certain issues with the movies, ( Killing Darth Maul was one), I realize that's the way things are. Most of the fellows aren't writing and directing things just for our sakes. And just because we buy tickets and such doesn't mean he should. As an artist, you put out things that you like. That you enjoy. That tell a story maybe. You share these things with others and hope they enjoy it or at least appreciate it as you do. But if others don't, then that's also part of the deal. George understands the risk of this, being that it's the money makes on these films and such that make the others. I may not agree with some things he's done, but that's because they don't go with what I thought he should do or what I wanted to see. And that's my problem not George's. Good Point PCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by GSF Done right by Spielberg PCS. Yes it's Lucas' story to tell, but he's done a lousy job telling it in the prequels IMO. Too many slick effects, and not enough substance in the areas of character development and creating suspensful, rememberable scenes. Darth Maul, for example, would have been an awesome character to develop, but Lucas didn't bother. I'm really not trying to be a downer here, I just didn't think the prequels were anywhere near as good movies as the originals, and I think they could have been. Again, not trying to be a pain here, but it still comes down to what you wanted to see. Or how you felt they should be done. Speilberg would have done "right" if he had done that. Or at least that's what I think some believe. Now he was involved in the movie, to what extent we don't know. Who's to say that this was what he thought it should be as well? He may have agreed with his good friend George on these things. Hell, he had damn good things to say about it when he saw it, ( yeah I know, what's he supposed to say). I'll take him at his word though. Pez, btw, based on a few of your comments, I think you are about Star Wars, not "knowing" the difference between SF and Fantasy doesn't take away from that. It's a purist thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 What I wanted to see was a movie as good as the orginals. It fell way short IMO. Do you think that the prequels were as good as the originals? To me, they're not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 And there it is. Just that simple. What we want as opposed to what George visualized. If I were to indulge myself in grading these movies as individual parts, instead of one big story, I'd say that 2 and 3 were as good as VI. IV was my favorite, but that doesn't make it the best. And I'm willing to admit my bias in that area. For obvious reasons. However, I think I'd rather say that these 3 were different. For obvious reasons. And they were damn fun imho. As a whole, I enjoy the story and look forward to indulging myself in a 1-6 mega dvd watching weekend. :geek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by Park City Skins As a whole, I enjoy the story and look forward to indulging myself in a 1-6 mega dvd watching weekend. :geek: Damn dude, you need a girlfriend.:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 No ****. Then again, what's it say about us that you and I have just spent how long? on debating the important issues of the Star Wars saga and it's telling on the OT forum of an internet Message board devoted to a Football team. God bless the women who put up with us. * Of course, I'd wait till it was girls night out or something to do this 1-6 thing. Priorities ya know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PCS Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 BTW. Luke could whip Maul's ass any day. :geek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 You really want to :geek: out? Take a look at this and then take a peek here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Great Points Park City.. I agree with you. Personally, It's hard for me to view them as individual movies anymore, I see them as one really big six part movie. Each has it's highs and lows. EP IV is very special to me in a lot of ways as well because it was the first and it's the one I've seen the most. But the STORY is what's awsome, not the individual movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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