Ghost of Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 By their own admission, Newsweek chose to pursue the most inflammatory scraps of rumor to make an anti-American story. In any case, where are the Muslim riots over the outrages of the Sudan, the car-bombing murders of innocent Muslims in Iraq etc? Where are the huge outpourings of anger over ACTUAL EVILS? Did they riot when the Church of Bethlehem was defiled by terrorists? Of course not. And forgive me for not really thinking most cats in the media care about the deaths of innocents they might have had a hand in, or the trouble they make for American forces. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857154/site/newsweek/ The Editor's Desk Newsweek May 23 issue - Did a report in NEWSWEEK set off a wave of deadly anti-American riots in Afghanistan? That's what numerous news accounts suggested last week as angry Afghans took to the streets to protest reports, linked to us, that U.S. interrogators had desecrated the Qur'an while interrogating Muslim terror suspects. We were as alarmed as anyone to hear of the violence, which left at least 15 Afghans dead and scores injured. But I think it's important for the public to know exactly what we reported, why, and how subsequent events unfolded. Two weeks ago, in our issue dated May 9, Michael Isikoff and John Barry reported in a brief item in our periscope section that U.S. military investigators had found evidence that American guards at the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had committed infractions in trying to get terror suspects to talk, including in one case flushing a Qur'an down a toilet. Their information came from a knowledgeable U.S. government source, and before deciding whether to publish it we approached two separate Defense Department officials for comment. One declined to give us a response; the other challenged another aspect of the story but did not dispute the Qur'an charge. Although other major news organizations had aired charges of Qur'an desecration based only on the testimony of detainees, we believed our story was newsworthy because a U.S. official said government investigators turned up this evidence. So we published the item. After several days, newspapers in Pakistan and Afghan-istan began running accounts of our story. At that point, as Evan Thomas, Ron Moreau and Sami Yousafzai report this week, the riots started and spread across the country, fanned by extremists and unhappiness over the economy. Last Friday, a top Pentagon spokesman told us that a review of the probe cited in our story showed that it was never meant to look into charges of Qur'an desecration. The spokesman also said the Pentagon had investigated other desecration charges by detainees and found them "not credible." Our original source later said he couldn't be certain about reading of the alleged Qur'an incident in the report we cited, and said it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts. Top administration officials have promised to continue looking into the charges, and so will we. But we regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst. —Mark Whitaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdowwe Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 sweet just what we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebornempowered Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Is there a bumper sticker available that says that yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Execute them for treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Did anyone expect different from a liberal rag? ALmost as good as PRAVDA used to be at propaganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Man, what is wrong with you guys? The problem isn't that it was reported, it was that it was COMMITTED in the first place!!!! If you don't want to face the reprecussions of your actions, there is an easy solution. . . DON'T DO IT!!!! Everyone who wants the "ownership society" is all to quick to point out the problems in everyone else, yet they never look at themselves. This isn't Newsweeks fault for publishing the information, it is the US Government's problem for allowing this to happen in the first place!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 how can you not do something that a news source is gonna make up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by chomerics Man, what is wrong with you guys? The problem isn't that it was reported, it was that it was COMMITTED in the first place!!!! If you don't want to face the reprecussions of your actions, there is an easy solution. . . DON'T DO IT!!!! Everyone who wants the "ownership society" is all to quick to point out the problems in everyone else, yet they never look at themselves. This isn't Newsweeks fault for publishing the information, it is the US Government's problem for allowing this to happen in the first place!!! Mike, buddy, there is no reason to belive IT WAS COMMITTED!! Stop believing the latest Islamist propaganda every time it's uttered(even the Gitmo detainees GENERALLY have said they were not mistreated) The story of the Koran in the toilet, by the way, was of a detainee causing problems by tearing up his copy and clogging the toilet. How about responsibility before publishing something that might be baseless and inflammatory to the less civilized portions of the world that we're trying to change? Now is Newsweek fully responsible? NO, those who rioted or hurt others are the ones committing the acts, but Newsweek was irresponsible---BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION. I find it telling that some are quick to believe those who've been instructed from the Supreme Jihadist to tell of torture to advance the PR side of their war while NEVER believing(and while writing stories as journalists, putting scare quotes and generally treating skeptically) the actual good guys(even if the good guys are imperfect as hell.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4Life Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Sounds like Newsweek went against one of the basic principles of journalism ... use more than one source before going to print on a story. They TRIED to go with two, one of them balked and said to go screw themselves ... the other didn't deny the quran report. Newsweek should've gotten another backup source from the defense department, before running with the story. Pure and simple. So yes, this does fall at the feet of Newsweek. And we Redskins fans of all people should know what it means to have the media going against our team, writing slanted stories against our team, and pretty much for the most part having an all out agenda against our team, all because our team name has *cough* racist *cough* connotations *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Anyone catch the interview with the military official on Fox News about 15 minutes ago regarding the topic? His name was Cmd Maj Sgt Steve Greer and he said that we should take the Koran away from the prisoners and make them read the bible and get Christianity into them. The stupidest commenst I have ever heard from a military official being interviewed. He will get some serious backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by SoCalSkins Anyone catch the interview with the military official on Fox News about 15 minutes ago regarding the topic? His name was Cmd Maj Sgt Steve Greer and he said that we should take the Koran away from the prisoners and make them read the bible and get Christianity into them. The stupidest commenst I have ever heard from a military official being interviewed. He will get some serious backlash. He's exactly right. Too bad we don't have to will to do it. As long as they are following to violent aspencts of the religion of peace, they should be converted or not have a koran at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 It is kind of silly, if you think about it. For these particular prisoners, they are following a violent interpretation of Islam. It's like giving communist POWs copies of Marx and Mao's Little Red Book while they're locked up. Not smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by Sarge He's exactly right. Too bad we don't have to will to do it. As long as they are following to violent aspencts of the religion of peace, they should be converted or not have a koran at all Why convert them from one moronic religion to another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius J. Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 If newsweek sent the story to government officials, then it is our governments responsibility to correct the story. All we had to have was one guy say, no that didn't happen. Why didn't anyone say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by SoCalSkins Why convert them from one moronic religion to another? The angry atheist strikes again. Let me know when you identify a global Buddhist or Christian jihad movement. A pack of Christians gets on a plane or a bunch of guys carring Korans. What makes you more nervous? As for converting, I agree that to even attempt it would be silly. But we shouldn't feed the flames of their ideology by giving them Korans, either. It's not a denial of human rights. They should still be allowed to pray and the like, just not read source material for their jihadism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin A pack of Christians gets on a plane or a bunch of guys carring Korans. What makes you more nervous? If there are young boys on the flight, the Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin It's not a denial of human rights. They should still be allowed to pray and the like, just not read source material for their jihadism. Or you can always tell them the wrong direction to Mecca. Or give them pepperoni pizza. Not that I've ever done that:evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 I'm a Dem, and this "liberal" labeling is moronic. Kill it. The fact is, they reported something they had no hard evidence on, that caused a HUGE surge in hatred towards our country and our soldiers. The fact that they have increased the danger to our soldiers for the sole purpose of getting a "scoop" on a potential story, to me, is reason for them to be executed. Or do you think it's right that someone's son or daughter will die because this moron decided to report a rumor? Do you want to tell the next dead soldiers mother that they died for some idiots idea of reporting? Hell, some of you are calling for a reporters job for poor reporting on our football team, what sort of reprocussions (sp) do you think are deserved when something like this cost hundreds their lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by SoCalSkins If there are young boys on the flight, the Christians. You're not at all an idiot. No, seriously, you're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by MrSilverMaC I'm a Dem, and this "liberal" labeling is moronic. Kill it. The fact is, they reported something they had no hard evidence on, that caused a HUGE surge in hatred towards our country and our soldiers. The fact that they have increased the danger to our soldiers for the sole purpose of getting a "scoop" on a potential story, to me, is reason for them to be executed. Or do you think it's right that someone's son or daughter will die because this moron decided to report a rumor? Do you want to tell the next dead soldiers mother that they died for some idiots idea of reporting? Hell, some of you are calling for a reporters job for poor reporting on our football team, what sort of reprocussions (sp) do you think are deserved when something like this cost hundreds their lives? Too bad so many liberal rags (Time, Newsweek, NY times, LA TImes etc) have already set the precedent of reporting stories, proof or not, that harm our troops or national security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by SoCalSkins If there are young boys on the flight, the Christians. It's clear you've never had whack job islamists shooting at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin You're not at all an idiot. No, seriously, you're not. Compared to you, I don't think anyone is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by Sarge Too bad so many liberal rags (Time, Newsweek, NY times, LA TImes etc) have already set the precedent of reporting stories, proof or not, that harm our troops or national security Like I said, drop the "liberal" cause if it were Clinton in office, it would be fox news or rush limbaugh reporting. Either way it was about as stupid as can be, and I seriously hope they punish these people involved to the fullest extent possible, legal or otherwise. Including the government leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 I wish people had the same outrage and anger when our government acts out on faulty information. It is truly amazing the amount of sh!t we allow the public sector to get away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Originally posted by luckydevil I wish people had the same outrage and anger when our government acts out on faulty information. It is truly amazing the amount of sh!t we allow the public sector to get away with. yeah one would think Ghost (actually righties in general) would feel like a hypocrite saying Newsweek lied and cost lives but GWB was misled by faulty info. Obviously they are both wrong. But which is worse, the government doing something like this, or the a privately published magazing which can print pretty much whatever it wants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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