Larry Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Hog Fever If I remember correctly Rock was given the chance a couple of times last year to be a short yardage guy too and it didn’t work out. That’s not to say that he didn’t make contributions in other ways. He was solid on special teams. (Hope you put on your asbestos underwear before writing that.) Rock was given two carries last year. In the fourth quarter of the last game of the year. He was given several (redskins.com says 107, but I didn't think it was that many) carries in Spurrier's second year. His YPC wasn't anything to write home about, but a great many of his carries were on short-yardage situations where one yard was a victory. For example, in '03, he was five-for-five on fourth and short. I believe (but haven't seen it in writing) he was perfect on third-and-short. I do remember some goal-line situations where it took more than one try to punch it in from the one. In fact, after the '03 season, there was a link posted here to some FF site, where they had some complicated system for ranking RBs, that claimed Rock was one of the top 10 backs in the NFL. Their ranking system looked at every carry of every running back, looked at the down-and-distance, and compared how many yards that back got on, say, third-and-one, vs. the NFL average for all running backs on third-and-one. Rock's yardage considering the tactical situation was about twice the average for all NFL teams. Not that I'm a fan of his, or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Betts impressed me with several 2nd effort 1st downs, not only in the Viking game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by bubba9497 missed 1 block , and did very well the rest of the season I think your understating it Bub.....If you re-watch the vikings game he whiffed more than a couple of times in pass protection. Its the only one I have on tivo or I'd find more. His pass blocking /blitz recognition is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS36 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by DB44 Agreed, and it amazing how by the end of the season, Betts hard style of running matched the same style as his coach, Earnest Byner. Portis' carries should come down, which I think will make him more effective. Mix in Betts, and now these drafted fullbacks, and now Coach Gibbs has many different options (which is exactly what he wants on offense). This also helps keeps the offense focused and fresh. I agree that Portis' carries needs to come down. He was a work horse and a half last year. I want him to stay healthy for years to come and be our future back. Portis is a slashing, speedy runner, who also happens to have to ability to power thru a few tackes. But he's no Bettis, and will break down if he has to carry it as much as he did last year thru the middle. That's why I'm relieved we drafted two potential bruising backs. Yeah, one will probably be an H-Back, but the other will convert to HB, and be our Bus. That will allow Portis to not take as much punishment every game. :whew: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Key to running game: Hold onto the ball. Make first down or second and short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 BTW, (since everybody asked), here's the thread I was talking about. It's a comparason of why, according to this one guy's formula, Rock was a more productive back in '03 (the only year he's gotten carries) than DeShawn Foster. My attempt to sumarize the guy's (long) piece was: If I can sumerize the guy's point (and, assuming he has one), it's that, on fourth-and-one, Rock gets 2. On second-and-ten, Foster gets 8.Foster got more yards, but Rock moved the chains. (Or scored). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 was a different offense and any he was like 20 lbs heavier at that point in time. Rock's a good guy in a bad spot. He's on a team that doesn't need a smallish FB (IMO). He's a great character guy and special teams player and good locker room guy, but as a starter I believe that there is just not enough room for him in this offense. If we need the roster spot, I am afraid his time will be up. Hopefully we can find a way to fit him in where he can contribute more. There are plenty of teams that could use him in a different offense, I just don't see it being here. There's a reason why gibbs is looking at much bigger, faster guys that can also catch the ball. I'm not on any side here except for the side of reason. You don't change your offense to suit a 2nd or 3rd stringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Oh, I'm not suggesting we cut Portis. (Les'n he keeps countermanding Gibbs' orders, and telling the press that it's OK for players to ignore the coach, 'cause you gave 'em permission.) And I realise that he did see a lot of playing time in the preseason, and aparantly Gibbs wasn't impressed. But I just have a problem with blanket declarations that we don't have a short-yardage specialist, when we've got a guy on the bench who's been perfect in real NFL games (as a specialist). I don't have him penciled in as a starter. (Although, I'm not convinced that he couldn't do it, either.) I just think he could be really usefull on ST and short yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Larry Oh, I'm not suggesting we cut Portis. (Les'n he keeps countermanding Gibbs' orders, and telling the press that it's OK for players to ignore the coach, 'cause you gave 'em permission.) And I realise that he did see a lot of playing time in the preseason, and aparantly Gibbs wasn't impressed. But I just have a problem with blanket declarations that we don't have a short-yardage specialist, when we've got a guy on the bench who's been perfect in real NFL games (as a specialist). I don't have him penciled in as a starter. (Although, I'm not convinced that he couldn't do it, either.) I just think he could be really usefull on ST and short yardage. Check out the video on http://www.redskins.com/news/multimedia.jsp with Vinnie talking about why Broughton was "brought-in" :doh: (god that was bad) He said "big", "that body structure" "Move the pile type guy" "thick" and said big several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 The biggest reason that we couldn't hammer the ball into the endzone was because of OL play.....lacking a good run blocking center and RT we weren't able to get the push we needed...this year we should do just fine.....I too have a problem with the blitz pick-up of Betts and unless he improves it we just might get rid of him......I'd preer to see one of the backs we drafted this year put on a few more pounds and become a true goal line back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruinSkin Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I love Cartwright as much as the next guy. But, he's just not cut out for being anything more than a special teamer. He gets stuffed way too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by BruinSkin I love Cartwright as much as the next guy. But, he's just not cut out for being anything more than a special teamer. He gets stuffed way too easily. Reverse homerism... Alma Mater profiling... gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruinSkin Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Kevin B. Reverse homerism... Alma Mater profiling... gotta love it. Hey moron, I wrote 4 months ago that Manny hits the hole like a little girl sometimes. He's going to be H-Back, NOT goalline or short yardage guy. Edit: Think Larry Centers, not Mike Alstott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 How quickly we forget...the play that stands out in my mind that characterizes Betts was when Ed Reed ran right through his "block" and pulverized Brunell. Then, when Reed picked up the ball, he only had to trot into the endzone b/c Betts made no real attempt to tackle him. Granted, he's a hard runner, but we've got CP, Rock and the new guys; I think it is Betts on his way out, not the Rock. Gibbs loves that guy, he's a real Redskin kind of guy. Plus, Gibbs wouldn't want to disappoint Blondie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by BruinSkin Hey moron, I wrote 4 months ago that Manny hits the hole like a little girl sometimes. He's going to be H-Back, NOT goalline or short yardage guy. I've said it before. These personal attacks will stop. One way or another. 5. Please be respectful to your fellow members. The foundation of any thriving community is the opportunity for members to express their opinion and the exchange of knowledge. It is the responsibility of each and every member to create an environment which encourages and fosters it. If your membership is in direct contrast to that end or your participation a detriment to it, we will simply revoke your privileges to utilize the site. See you in 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS36 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Bruin fought the law, and the law won. :anon: ok, joking and insults aside, wonder why Blondie hasn't posted about Rock. Any insight on her part would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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