until skins win they are right

[bsmsss]

the skins must win something to shut up all the media types

they havent won anything of importance under dan synders ownership

they have gone through coaches,players,cords etc without winning a thing

so while i hate to admit it the media is right as to the skins messing things up--have they proven the media wrong yet--the answer is no

facts that should make us mad:

i heard today we have only used 30 draft picks since 2000-wow do we get rid of a lot of picks and no real return on value

we have the fewest drafted skins players on a 53 man roster--ouch

we always have huge dead cap space by bad signings every yr

we make bad trades-coles,morton,brunnell, etc

there were more examples

so until the skins win a conf championship at the very least-len p and the rest of the media are correct--to stop it dan must win--if not they will bash him more and more

[MRMADD]

Joe Gibbs said it best: Until we win, we will be criticized.

And deservedly so. It's not like these guys are loveable losers who fight their hearts out and lose anyway. No, this team has struggled ever since Dan Snyder arrived for reasons of their own making.

And they manage to be arrogant losers, which is especially off-putting.

[GrimReefa]

Fair enough. Buts lots of teams lose. None of them are subject to the kind of vitriolic ridicule that is aimed at the Redskins at every opportunity.

[Canadian Hog]

i heard today we have only used 30 draft picks since 2000-wow do we get rid of a lot of picks and no real return on value

we have the fewest drafted skins players on a 53 man roster--ouch

we always have huge dead cap space by bad signings every yr

we make bad trades-coles,morton,brunnell, etc

there were more examples

Yeah, I suppose we should go ask the Eagles for advice on how to build a Super Bowl team.

Afterall, I heard their trophey case is overflowing.

The fact of the matter is that their is no proven blueprint on building a winner. Teams do what they feel will put them in the best position to win.

Anybody who thinks that Gibbs is repeating the same mistakes of the past is downright foolish.

[TenaciousB15]

Originally posted by Canadian Hog

Yeah, I suppose we should go ask the Eagles for advice on how to build a Super Bowl team.

who said anything about the eagles?

[flashback]

Originally posted by GrimReefa

Fair enough. Buts lots of teams lose. None of them are subject to the kind of vitriolic ridicule that is aimed at the Redskins at every opportunity.

Lots of teams lose? There's only 8 of them ahead of you in the draft, do you think the press is actually easier on those teams than it is on the Redskins? Have you read any articles regarding the Browns or Titans lately?

Newsflash: Every teams fans think the press is out to get their team. What makes you or your team so frickin' special?

When reporter get their facts wrong, you've got a legitimate beef. But thats usually a result of laziness, not "vitriolic ridicule". Get a grip.

[GrimReefa]

Originally posted by flashback

Lots of teams lose? There's only 8 of them ahead of you in the draft, do you think the press is actually easier on those teams than it is on the Redskins? Have you read any articles regarding the Browns or Titans lately?

Newsflash: Every teams fans think the press is out to get their team. What makes you or your team so frickin' special?

When reporter get their facts wrong, you've got a legitimate beef. But thats usually a result of laziness, not "vitriolic ridicule". Get a grip.

You obviously haven't read Len Pasquerelli's latest column. Or anything he's ever written, for that matter...

[Canadian Hog]

who said anything about the eagles?

Tenacious,

Please. Don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to take a shot at your team by ANY means.

The fact of the matter is that crybaby fans really turn me off. People always want to point the finger at our front office for the blunders it made in the past, and repeatedly want to discount the good things that have happened in Washington since Gibbs took over.

The point I was basically trying to get across was the fact there are so many who have this false perception that everybody else around the league is so successful. My question is this: what's the measure of success? If it comes down to championships, then I suppose that there are multiple teams around this league who fail just like us, correct?

[Jay Master Jay]

There is one winner every year and only one. It might be nice to be in the Eagles position losing the NFC Championship game every year but they go in the same category as us losers. If it's not a Super Bowl win it's a bad season. In Lakerland we like to say we only count the banners not the we were in the Finals season.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Originally posted by bsmsss

the skins must win something to shut up all the media types

they havent won anything of importance under dan synders ownership

They did even worse under John Kent Cooke's ownership, yet the "media types" didn't find it within their desires to paint him out as the NFL's equivalent of the anti-christ, either.

Casserly's record on personnel moves while the Redskins' GM make Snyder & Cerrato's moves look practically genius in comparison, but the "media types" don't seem to take pleasure in pointing out his dismal resume...in fact, if anything they say the Redskins personnel decisions have gotten worse and it was a mistake to get rid of him.

The Redskins' record over the past 6 years with Snyder as owner is 44-52, and one playoff birth.

The Redskins' record for the previous 6 years ownership--and with Casserly as the GM--is 36-59-1, with no playoff appearances.

Yet the "media types" will claim Snyder is "ruining the Redskins"...

Sorry, but I don't feel the Skins need to win a Super Bowl in order for these "media types" to have a more realistic perspective on my favorite team.

[Jay Master Jay]

Snyder has done something right the Redskins are worth more money then any other sports frachise in the US. If that's ruining a team I think a lot of owners would want there team ruin in that way.

[wskin44]

Originally posted by flashback

What makes you or your team so frickin' special?

We ARE The Washington Redskins. That's what makes us special.

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[Tarhog]

Originally posted by flashback

Lots of teams lose? There's only 8 of them ahead of you in the draft, do you think the press is actually easier on those teams than it is on the Redskins? Have you read any articles regarding the Browns or Titans lately?

Newsflash: Every teams fans think the press is out to get their team. What makes you or your team so frickin' special?

When reporter get their facts wrong, you've got a legitimate beef. But thats usually a result of laziness, not "vitriolic ridicule". Get a grip.

I could care less how 'other teams' get treated. Bottom line, Pasquarelli and some of the other hacks out there get it wrong far more often than they come close to getting it right, and more importantly, clearly have a personal axe to grind.

Are you actually denying that?

Re-read that Lenny P. article a couple of times, and tell me thats a fair objective viewpoint.

And bsmss, theres a big difference between saying the Redskins haven't been successful (and why) and impugning the entire organization as a bunch of incompetents. Its hard to believe you'd defend the kind of smear campaign the Redskin's have endured.

But hey, thats just me.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally posted by bsmsss

they havent won anything of importance under dan synders ownership

so while i hate to admit it the media is right as to the skins messing things up--have they proven the media wrong yet--the answer is no

facts that should make us mad:

i heard today we have only used 30 draft picks since 2000-wow do we get rid of a lot of picks and no real return on value

we have the fewest drafted skins players on a 53 man roster--ouch

we always have huge dead cap space by bad signings every yr

we make bad trades-coles,morton,brunnell, etc

there were more examples

so until the skins win a conf championship at the very least-len p and the rest of the media are correct--to stop it dan must win--if not they will bash him more and more

NFC east Champs in '99. Should have kept that team intact.

And while we don't get a whole lot of picks, we have drafted, Champ (who was good his first few years, then we were lucky enough to get Portis for), Smoot, Jansen, LaVar, Taylor, Cooley, Samuals, Ramsey....and i'm thinking i'm missing some people here...but anyway, those are good players that any team would like to have. One could argue that Gardner was a decent pick, and point to his 70 catch 1000 yard season as a highlight. But I'm not defending him.

Deion is the one bad signing that comes to mind immediatly, followed by Bruce Smith. Those guys, according to my calculations, shouldn't be costing us anything now. Brunell was a monumental botch. However, every team has guys like this, we're no different.

Coles was great his first year and decent this past year, despite his ****ing and moaning. I'm not sorry to see him go. But he produced while he was here. He caught some passes.

Morton is horrible, a true waste of space.

People get on our case because we've had the talent to do well. Its continuity that's been our downfall over the past 6 years or so.

Hopefully we have it now.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

the eagles bite

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

People get on our case because we've had the talent to do well. Its continuity that's been our downfall over the past 6 years or so.

Hopefully we have it now.

Amen...

[nneece]

Originally posted by GrimReefa

Fair enough. Buts lots of teams lose. None of them are subject to the kind of vitriolic ridicule that is aimed at the Redskins at every opportunity.

I'm tired of Skins fan whining about how the press treats the Skins unfairly. That's because most teams don't have an owner like Dan Synder who has thrown his money and weight around to grab a past his prime Neon Deon, et. al and still fail miserably. I think the criticism is more about Dan Synder then it is the Redskins organization. No one likes a rich person who comes in, buys the franchise, and then throws money at the problem when he does not understand the sport. The answer? Hire a compentent GM and get out of day to day operations. This would put a lot of this to bed once and for all.

[Canadian Hog]

I think the criticism is more about Dan Synder then it is the Redskins organization. No one likes a rich person who comes in, buys the franchise, and then throws money at the problem when he does not understand the sport. The answer? Hire a compentent GM and get out of day to day operations. This would put a lot of this to bed once and for all.

Last time I checked, football has a salary cap, so all teams play by the same rules and have the same amount of cash to spend. Is it our problem that Dan Snyder likes to put his money back into his own organization? I suppose it would be better if he didn't give a damn about his team and didn't spend a penny to improve it.

Additionally, last time I checked Dan doesn't have his finger in day to day operations. Gibbs and his staff is in full control of personnel, Danny signs the check and contributes in crunching numbers for the cap.

Get the facts straight.

[flashback]

Originally posted by GrimReefa

You obviously haven't read Len Pasquerelli's latest column. Or anything he's ever written, for that matter...

I just read it, but you're right, I hadn't read it when I posted to this thread.

Originally posted by Tarhog

I could care less how 'other teams' get treated. Bottom line, Pasquarelli and some of the other hacks out there get it wrong far more often than they come close to getting it right, and more importantly, clearly have a personal axe to grind.

Are you actually denying that?

Re-read that Lenny P. article a couple of times, and tell me thats a fair objective viewpoint.

And bsmss, theres a big difference between saying the Redskins haven't been successful (and why) and impugning the entire organization as a bunch of incompetents. Its hard to believe you'd defend the kind of smear campaign the Redskin's have endured.

But hey, thats just me.

I have no interest in defending Mr. Pasquarelli, except to say that his job is to sell papers (or magazines), and the more polemic he can spurt, the higher the sales go.

However, Mr. Pasquarelli is a pretty small sample size by which to judge "the media", isn't he? That may be the first time he's been called small.

And you must know that you can go to any message board dedicated to an NFL team and find fans complaining about the treatment of the media.

This is a situation where winning solves everything. If the Redskins weren't 6-10, hadn't lost Smoot and Pierce with no compensation, not to mention Coles, the Brunell situation, etc. Now the Redskins have traded 3 picks for 1, and with their history of giving away draft picks without getting much in return, you've gotta admit the burden of proof is on the Redskins.