garg8050 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Granted, there is no concrete evidence that the 'Skins are even in the market for a QB...But, let's just play devil's advocate. Maybe Gibbs and Co. see something in Ramsey that doesn't exactly make them confident that he can get them to the playoffs and beyond. Gibbs, as his first order of business, went out and got Brunell and then, only when there was no other recourse, did he finally bench Brunell in favor of Ramsey. And in all honesty, there haven't exactly been ringing endorsements from the organization regarding Ramsey's status as the #1. Most quotes include phrases like "he needs to really step up" or "he needs to make that big jump like Rypien did", etc. Let me just say that I'm a huge Ramsey fan and would love nothing more than him having a breakout year to the tune of 3,500 yards with 25TD's and 10 Ints. But, at some point, you've got to wonder if the organization sees some fatal flaws in Ramsey and are prepared to go in a different direction. All the talk of Gibbs not willing to start a rookie QB are absolutely accurate. In his eyes, Brunell could be the perfect short-term (1 year with his contract situation and then cut after June 1, 2006) caretaker while Campbell (assuming that's who they're eyeing) learns holding the clipboard. Again, all speculation at this point but still something to think about.:whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 If we draft a QB, that means Brunell will be starting. If Ramsey is not on the roster, and Brunell is starting. My season tickets this year will be on Ebay....... or I'll be glad to sell them to a Extremeskins poster. Section 140, Row 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goaldeje Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 This is all possible, but it means Gibbs would have to be willing to essentially thrown away this year, based of Brunell's performance last year. While I do not think Brunell is as bad as his performance was last year, you have to go with what we all saw, and that makes me very concerned. And to trade away all these picks for a throw away year, where we could have high picks, does not seem to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cscmtp Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I can't deny your post makes sense. I'm just holding on to the hope that if Gibbs gave Brunell so much time before pulling him, that he's at least give Ramsey the same treatment. Let's see what he can do with a healthy o-line. But i agree, if Ramsey doesn't make HUGE gains this year, we HAVE to find another QB. But it sure doesn't help Ramsey's cause to have S. Moss not showing up. He is REALLY starting to piss me off. And i know Gibbs can't be too happy with him either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Well, if that's true, the Broncos made the deal of a lifetime, because they'll have a top 5 pick if Brunell is the starter in '05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBT Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Poor Ramsey, here he go again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Our schedule this year is rough enough as is and if we draft a QB (Jason Cambell) it means a weak armed Brunnell under center. There was a reason Brunnell was the number 3 QB in Jacksonville. I wont weap for Ramsey because if he is released or traded its very possible for him to have a very successful career elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galentjm Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Bufford If we draft a QB, that means Brunell will be starting. If Ramsey is not on the roster, and Brunell is starting. My season tickets this year will be on Ebay....... or I'll be glad to sell them to a Extremeskins poster. Section 140, Row 19. Thats just great. And people wonder why Fedex is nothing like RFK in terms of atmosphere. This is such a fair weather fan statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by galentjm Thats just great. And people wonder why Fedex is nothing like RFK in terms of atmosphere. This is such a fair weather fan statement. It sucks that he has season tickets and doesn't appreciate them. I've been on the list for a few years and would give anything to have them, but can't get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCRoughrider Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Ramsey is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 History shows that Gibbs doesn;t have patience for young QBs, that explains the Brunell signing and also refutes the thought that he may draft a QB this year. I feel that Ramsey is safe for one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Bufford If we draft a QB, that means Brunell will be starting. If Ramsey is not on the roster, and Brunell is starting. My season tickets this year will be on Ebay....... or I'll be glad to sell them to a Extremeskins poster. Section 140, Row 19. I would buy them, however; given that scenario I wouldn't be watching any of those games either. Just don't have the stomache for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goaldeje Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kevin B. History shows that Gibbs doesn;t have patience for young QBs, that explains the Brunell signing and also refutes the thought that he may draft a QB this year. I feel that Ramsey is safe for one more year. Precisely. If Patrick does not develop into a starting caliber QB by the end of this year, Gibbs will have no choice but to look to the draft next year, which, given our recent trade, does not bode well for us. Unless another Tom Brady situation happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsk58417 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by NavyDave Our schedule this year is rough enough as is and if we draft a QB (Jason Cambell) it means a weak armed Brunnell under center. There was a reason Brunnell was the number 3 QB in Jacksonville. I wont weap for Ramsey because if he is released or traded its very possible for him to have a very successful career elsewhere. The Skins schedule is tough. The big thing is everyone here is panicing thinking Ramsey may be on "The outs" with Gibbs. I don't, even if Campbell is drafted. As long as Ramsey starts? He will have the opportunity to excell. Anyone recall that San Diego QB last year? That situation could very well be in DC and if it does happen? I for one, will not complain. Sounds like a "good problem" to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsRback04 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 All young QB's in Ramsey's position and his time removed from the draft hear things like 'He's got to step up bigtime'. It just goes with the territory. We all might wish that Gibbs would have done things differently last year in this regard and given Ramsey the nod. He just didn't have the instinct for it and went with his tried and true ways. And stuck with his decision far too long. If anything Gibbs has learned a good deal himself which is as it should be. He has seen what we have in action...under adverse circumstances. He has seen for himself the improvement at the end of last year even with the fluke TD. The coaching staff will have Ramsey so well prepared you will be amazed and he himself will become the 'Man' once again...worthy of a #32 pick. Aiding him in this will be the O-Line this year with a truly dominating performance. As for Brunell, he is certainly not as bad as he showed last year on the field, just as Ramsey was not as meritless of starting as Gibbs thought he was. I am fairly confident of the QB situation and would be more than shocked at a high QB pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewGibbsEra Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 OK, the "Answer?" PUhahahah Ramsey is more like... "may be the answer to our problems" but he is FAR from being hte answer. All he has shown is inconsistency and NO POCKET PRESENCE. BUT ont he good side, he has shown toughness and arm strength. These 2 things dont pan out.... LOOK, i am NOT saying we should draft jason.... just saying that Ramsey's future is questionable... and is not totally out of the question for Gibbs to be looking at another young talented QB. What everyone is saying about brunell starting if we get campbell makes a bit of sense, but im posting just to say ONE thing... RAMSEY IS NOT "THE ANSWER" and he is JUST NOT THAT GOOD AS SOME OF THESE PPL bust a NUT OVER ABOUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzfan4life Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 But at this point we have other more pressing issues then drafting a QB qith the 25th pick. Unless they trade back from 9 and get other picks...CB, WR, & DE, seem to be way more of a need then QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunPortisRun Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Didnt we just sign Hasselback? We have 3 QBs on the roster, why would we draft another. Forget about Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewGibbsEra Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by RunPortisRun Didnt we just sign Hasselback? We have 3 QBs on the roster, why would we draft another. Forget about Campbell. We would draft one because they are all shaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Unseld Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Who gets cut or traded? Not Brunell b/c he has on trade value and the cap hit would be too tough to take. I would be shocked if it was Ramsey, which leaves Hasselback, a guy that several teams were interested in prior to his signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 We can't go after another QB, none of these QB's in this draft are on par with any of the QB's from the 2004 draft, further more after the Brunell debocle I don't want Gibb's judging the talent of a college QB when he couldn't see that brunell was finished. Ramsey is not the problem Gibbs offense was, to many players who have big time play making ability just floundered in that offense last season, Gibbs has to prove he still has an inovative mind when it comes to offense, not that predictable, bland, vanilla, nonesense we saw last year. For starters we have to add more zone blocking which is conducive to Portis's style of running, use him on draws, and hit him out of the backfield in stride, in other word's give the guy space to work in so he can utlilize his speed and cut back abilities, otherwise we are just wasting 50 mil. Then let's try throwing the ball downfield, or how bout this anything other than a WR screen! Gibbs said he has to prove himself all over again, well I am taking him up on that, after what I saw last year on offense he has a lot to prove, we all love the guy for what he has done but the past is just that the past, he has to prove that after 12 years off the job he still has it, IMO Ramsey is the good's, I am not a big fan of Brunell nor was I before we traded for him, but not even he is as bad as what we saw last season, a lot of our QB's failures lie with Gibbs, I know we had injuries on the line, but even so we should have been a lot better on offense than we where! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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