Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 "This is what happens when propaganda channels are ruling the airwaves. Just an FYI, Air America is no better, but at least they are respectful to a lot of their critics, all except for Randi Rhodes that is." They are????????? Have you ever listened to Garafolo or Franken? They dont respect anyone that criticizes them and go out of their way to demonize them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by chomerics I say you need some serious psychological counsiling if you truly think this way. As for the libral media BS, sorry but there is no "libral media", it is only a myth perpetuated by conservative media pulling an Orwellean twist. Fox News calling the media libral is the definition of an oxymoron. . . just think about that one for a while. You need to check yourself. You insult me every time I post a topic/message. Show more respect to differing opinions!!!!!! And the notion that there is no liberal media is interesting to say the least, hmmm so Fox News is the evil conservative machine while the New York Times, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post are all very fair and balanced, not liberal at all:laugh: I never denied that FNC may be conservative, they very well may be, but you can be partisan AND fair. Something that many other outlets are not (NYT anyone? Dan Rather?)..... As for Bill O'Reilly, its interesting that many of his critics on here have stated that they dont WATCH him. Seriously, watch tonights show and just LISTEN to him, dont judge just listen to what hes saying. The claim that hes dumb, arrogant, doesnt know what hes saying,etc. shows me that you dont listen to the man. Im not saying hes all-knowing (certainly not) but he makes many valid, and credible points in debates with facts to back them up. And as for his yelling, he does yell sometimes but very rarely (seriously), and he only does it when people are dodging, and if the topic is emotional and important...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by chomerics Skin, here is some information on O'Reiley where he was caught lying DIRECTLY. This is just a few there Skin. There are over 20 pages of O'Reiley lies and Fox News lies if you are interested. source Oh, and that mediamatters.org website after doin some research on it....aheem...yeah its fair and balanced right? I couldn't find hardly any liberal slander, misleads, etc.....its all the evil conservative "lies"..... heres a great website for you to check out http://www.mediaresearch.org/ heres another: http://www.thatliberalmedia.com/ Bottomline is this: Why do liberals get sooo ticked off at FNC, when they have DOMINATED the airwaves, and newspapers since the early 80's and before. It is amazing how much negativity FNC gets when it posts BOTH sides ALL the freakin time....how do i know this? bc i WATCH IT!!! I SEE with my own eyes, liberals and conservatives ALL the time on the channel......they go out of their way ALL the time to present both sides...come on people:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The President Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I hate Bill O'reilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by gibby56 I hate Bill O'reilly hate's a strong word:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by footballhenry You need to check yourself. You insult me every time I post a topic/message. Show more respect to differing opinions!!!!!! I find the ignore button very useful in eliminating other's attacks and tripe here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 As for Bill O'Reilly, its interesting that many of his critics on here have stated that they dont WATCH him. Seriously, watch tonights show and just LISTEN to him, dont judge just listen to what hes saying. The claim that hes dumb, arrogant, doesnt know what hes saying,etc. shows me that you dont listen to the man. Im not saying hes all-knowing (certainly not) but he makes many valid, and credible points in debates with facts to back them up. And as for his yelling, he does yell sometimes but very rarely (seriously), and he only does it when people are dodging, and if the topic is emotional and important...... I watch O'Reilly on a fairly regular basis. While I am not going to call him dumb.......I find his commentary rather bland, predictable, and often lacking substance. He is fond of making arguments based on pathos( he is not alone). Emotionalism tends to guide his thinking. And the fact that he is an ahole and a pervert doesn't help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by luckydevil I watch O'Reilly on a fairly regular basis. While I am not going to call him dumb.......I find his commentary rather bland, predictable, and often lacking substance. He is fond of making arguments based on pathos( he is not alone). Emotionalism tends to guide his thinking. And the fact that he is an ahole and a pervert doesn't help thats incredibly interesting. Not bashing your op at all, your entitled to it but i find it interesting that you think he is guided by emotionalism when he seems to base things on fact alone...in fact he states that ALL the time "base your opinion on fact, not emotion"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 no, he tries to find "fact" to support his emotion. And that's where he gets burned a lot. His research isn't always the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 He's a blowhard, a liar and a bully. He only asks loaded questions, then cuts you off if you don't give the answer he wants. Although I disagree with his political and social views, it is not his views I particularly despite - it is his methods. If he actually let the other side make its points, his criticism would be much more relevant. He is a perfect example of what is wrong with the political media today. It is not about debating important issues: it is about demonizing your enemies and telling our audience what they want to hear. He is exactly what Jon Stewart was talking about when he ripped into the fools on Crossfire. ps - When Bob Dylan sang "Everybody Must Get Stoned," he was talking about "stoning" in the biblical sense, i.e. people throwing stones at you. Nothing to do with drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 The irony is that Jon Stewart is exactly what Jon Stewart was railing against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 The irony is that Jon Stewart is exactly what Jon Stewart was railing against. No, Jon Stewart is a comedian. His show is comedy with a polital bent. He is not the "Fair and BALANCED" "NO SPIN Zone!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 They are all entertainment. His "comedy" is decidedly one sided in it's political beliefs. I find his show entertaining as hell. I think it's one of the few bright spots on TV. But that doesnt mean he's not hypocritical in his condemnation of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 "This is what happens when propaganda channels are ruling the airwaves. Just an FYI, Air America is no better, but at least they are respectful to a lot of their critics, all except for Randi Rhodes that is." They are????????? Have you ever listened to Garafolo or Franken? They dont respect anyone that criticizes them and go out of their way to demonize them. Never listened to Garafolo, she is not on in Boston, I've heard Frankin a few times and I find him rather dull and boring. His Oy' Oy' Oy' skits are somewhat funny, but that's about it. I have also heard many conservative callers on his show ans he does not demonize them at all. Now, if you are referring to the substance of the program, I agree with you, that's why it is a libral show. The critics who call them up are not treated anywhere near the level of a critic of O'Reilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 They are all entertainment. His "comedy" is decidedly one sided in it's political beliefs. I find his show entertaining as hell. I think it's one of the few bright spots on TV. But that doesnt mean he's not hypocritical in his condemnation of others. Yes, they are all entertainment. But they shouldn't be. Stewart's show is labelled as entertainment. O'Reilly's purports to be something else. We need real debate, and *ssholes like O'Reilly are taking up the space that our body politic needs for healthy legitimate debate on real issues that affect this nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Are you honestly arguing that FoxNews has more of a responsibility that Comedy Central to provide something more than entertainment? Both are in the business for ONE REASON. TO MAKE MONEY!!!! Dont be naive to think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Are you honestly arguing that FoxNews has more of a responsibility that Comedy Central to provide something more than entertainment? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Destino Yes. Is this Russia Danny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Is this Russia Danny? Owl? (you lost me so I'm returning the favor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Quote from Caddyshack. meaning. Why does FoxNews have anymore of a responsibility to do more than provide entertainment and get ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Why does FoxNews have anymore of a responsibility to do more than provide entertainment and get ratings? That's easy, becuase they are selling themselves as a news network. Thus the folks who tune in (and make FOX's marketing revenue possible) are expecting serious news, not comedy which shockingly people expect from "comedy central." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I dont know a single person who tunes into Oreilly expecting to find anything more than his OPINION of the news. Similarly, I dont expect The Daily Show to be anything more than Jon Stewarts take on the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Destino That's easy, becuase they are selling themselves as a news network. Thus the folks who tune in (and make FOX's marketing revenue possible) are expecting serious news, not comedy which shockingly people expect from "comedy central." I've seen some cheesy docu-drama's on ESPN. Arent they supposed to be a "sports news" network? It's called diversity in market offering. The actual news portions of Fox News are legit news and no slant beyond subtle "right friendly" terms that the liberal networks don't use. Still factual. Everything else is fair game to offer opinion because that is exactly what anyone who watches it expects. I think the same thing when I read the op ed of the NYT's. I know it's liberal slanted opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Even though O'Reilly and I probably vote and come down on the issues the same way a good 80% of the time, I can't stand the guy. He's pure bombast, and he's rude and disruptive to his guests. The point of all of his interviews are him, and not the subject matter or the guest's views. No thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Are you honestly arguing that FoxNews has more of a responsibility that Comedy Central to provide something more than entertainment? Both are in the business for ONE REASON. TO MAKE MONEY!!!! Dont be naive to think otherwise. YES, they are a news network. They are supposed to present the news as is, not some ****ized quest for ratings which is only to align with their political funders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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