footballhenry Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I am curious to see what many of you guys here think of Bill O'Reilly and the Fox News Channel. I watch the O'Reilly Factor quite alot and find myself either agreeing with Bill alot, or at the very least understanding where he's coming from. MOST of the time he is very fair, contrary to what his critics want you to believe, and gives both sides a say. Likewise Fox News is very fair, mostly, in its portrayal. I honestly believe this because of the fact that they always represent BOTH sides. Is it conservative leaning? Probably, but are they fair? Most certainly. I am more interested in opinions of O'Reilly bc he can be in inflammatory character, with many people either hating him or loving him. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I think the bottom line here is for decades our media has been slanted well left of center. For a Fox News to come along and present some semblance of objectivity, it was going to be immediately perceived by liberals as "right wing". To be fair, if a liberal has been used to watching media slanted left, they can only see Fox News as right wing. Posters on this site prove this all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I don't watch the news, however, in the past 2 years because of the "liberal media" debate, I have made a point to watch cnn, msnbc and fox news on occasion. I can't stand O'Reilly. I dont want to watch a show where some idiot cuts people off and calls them idiots. While I see that there is a slight liberal slant in the mainstream media, Fox goes too far to the right IMO, they come of as GOP news IMO. I've never watched CNN in the past 2 years and felt they were rooting for Bush to fail, where as on Fox, I feel that they are the GOP's propaganda tool. I don't think there is a liberal media conspiracy, I think it's just human nature, but FOX clearly has an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doozinbrah Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Well, I am a fan of O'Reilly. Though I do not agree with everything he says. I believe his views on Christianity are not well thought out, and he speaks from a Catholic view and claims it is one of all Christian denominations. Saying that I really feel like he is trying to find out the truth about everything he covers( No Spin).Those who think he is right wing really should take the time to listen to him because on some issues he is very left in his opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNut73 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by codeorama I don't watch the news, however, in the past 2 years because of the "liberal media" debate, I have made a point to watch cnn, msnbc and fox news on occasion. I can't stand O'Reilly. I dont want to watch a show where some idiot cuts people off and calls them idiots. While I see that there is a slight liberal slant in the mainstream media, Fox goes too far to the right IMO, they come of as GOP news IMO. I've never watched CNN in the past 2 years and felt they were rooting for Bush to fail, where as on Fox, I feel that they are the GOP's propaganda tool. I don't think there is a liberal media conspiracy, I think it's just human nature, but FOX clearly has an agenda. Code - I'm with you man...I stopped watching shows like O'Reilly's and Chris Matthews and Joe Scarboro (sp?). I don't get the point of bringing on four guests and then having them all scream on top of each other. Years ago I used to watch CNN Crossfire, but tired of it for the same reason. Even though I'm a conservative, I don't really like O'Reilly or Limbaugh that much (though I have to give Rush props for dating that news anchor at CNN...how'd he work that one out:laugh: ). There's just too much sensationalism in the news today and it drives me nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I can't stand political talk shows. Seems like nowadays the more obnoxious a host is, the more popular he becomes. O'Reilly is a perfect example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 BO (heh) is a jerk. He's been shown in the past to make up facts, declare himself right when he's wrong, and rudely scream at guests he disagrees with when they refuse to give simple answers loaded questions. When someone points out his questions are loaded he accuses them of "spinning" and reminds them they are in the no spin zone. This is of course, bullsh!t. FOXNEWS is right wing garbage. Their big example of balance "Hannity and Colmes" has a rule that Colmes cannot challenge Hannity directly. Don't believe me? Watch the show. He will make a statement to the contrary, but unlike the blow hard Hannity he will NOT call his cohost on a lie no matter how obvious it may be. It's because he isn't allowed to. I’ve yet to find a left winger that considers Colmes at all relevant or respected. His only fans being right wingers that appreciate his willingness to bend over for a buck so they can hang a “fair and balanced” sign on their show. You want fair? Put Al Franken next to Hannity and let them challenge each other. I’d watch that. Also they use terms like “media elite” and “mainstream media” all the time on FOXNEWS. Ever heard how Hannity and Coulter (Fox’s favorite man girl) refer to liberals…..only to then call them elitists? It’s a sick joke to hear these people who consider themselves superior to half of America cry elitism all day long. And then to here complaints about the “mainstream” media when you have the highest rated cable news network, second highest rated radio talk show, and a #1 best selling author on regularly…..who are all right wingers enjoying mainstream success. The victim mentality of the right wing, needing to believe the evil left is holding them down so they can be the good guys in their minds. BTW – this post was extremely unfair and generalized quite a bit. I admit that. Also I am not in anyway implying that left wingers are any more fair then the BO or FOX. They aren't. They suffer from a hero complex where they feel the need to save us from ourselves. If you want my thoughts on that crap start another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfox19 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by codeorama While I see that there is a slight liberal slant in the mainstream media, Fox goes too far to the right IMO, they come of as GOP news IMO. I've never watched CNN in the past 2 years and felt they were rooting for Bush to fail, where as on Fox, I feel that they are the GOP's propaganda tool. [/b]I don't think there is a liberal media conspiracy , I think it's just human nature, but FOX clearly has an agenda. While I'm not a O'Reilly fan - he's a little brash for me - I think your assertion that there is a... "Slight liberal slant in the mainstream media" is laughable, you're kidding right. :puke:Did Dan Rather slightly mis-inform the public about G. Bush's service record by using forged documents? The New York & L.A Times have the largest subscription base and I do not think anyone would call these liberal-rags, "slightly" fair and balanced. "Conspiracy" possibly, but most likely not, however "human nature" wow - that's opinion, cetainly not fact! If "liberalism" is "human nature" how about 5 MILLION more people voted for Bush then Kerry? Why do we have a majority republican Congress? What is Fox's agenda? Alan Combs one of their in house liberals would completely disagree with you that "Fox is a GOP propaganda tool." BTW - would it be correct to assert that JOE GIBBS would be conservative because he's been involved in some traditionally conservative organizations - the NFL & NASCAR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I find his points interesting at times and tune in from time to time I know some of his opinions on the enviornment are left of center and I often find myself in disagreement with him I think the screaming and yelling that he does has been overblown a lot. Foxnews in general does well because it gives a whole new perspective and it gives a new way of doing the news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I find Bill to be a bit dim and he's completely incapable of thinking on his feet. He's not a guy I find either compelling or inflammatory because he simply isn't smart enough to be either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by sfox19 While I'm not a O'Reilly fan - he's a little brash for me - I think your assertion that there is a... "Slight liberal slant in the mainstream media" is laughable, you're kidding right. :puke:Did Dan Rather slightly mis-inform the public about G. Bush's service record by using forged documents? The New York & L.A Times have the largest subscription base and I do not think anyone would call these liberal-rags, "slightly" fair and balanced. "Conspiracy" possibly, but most likely not, however "human nature" wow - that's opinion, cetainly not fact! If "liberalism" is "human nature" how about 5 MILLION more people voted for Bush then Kerry? Why do we have a majority republican Congress? What is Fox's agenda? Alan Combs one of their in house liberals would completely disagree with you that "Fox is a GOP propaganda tool." BTW - would it be correct to assert that JOE GIBBS would be conservative because he's been involved in some traditionally conservative organizations - the NFL & NASCAR? If you put Dan Rather in a lineup, I couldn't pick him out, seriously. I used CNN as an example. I don't think I've ever watched CBS, ABC or NBC news unless they cut in due to a special event. When I say "human nature", what I mean is a point that Art has brought up in the past that I actually agree with. People that want to be journalists and media folk generally are liberal, where as people that are in the military and or police etc.. are generally more conservative. Sure, there's example's that go against that, but I agree that human nature has a big part in that. Media people want to change the world etc... I just don't buy into the left wing media conspiracy. Fox IS going out of their way to be the GOP media wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I think O'Reilly gets caught with his double talk too much, then the stories of him editing stuff out, and starting his show over are alittle too know. I remember that whole calling the last Pope senile, then denying it, only to have the transcript thrown in his face was too much. Then quoting some French Newspaper that wasn't actually paper, but some website for a blogger or something....and the guy from France was waiting for him to use that....and he did. stupid little things. I like Scarborough and Carlson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by sfox19 The New York & L.A Times have the largest subscription base and I do not think anyone would call these liberal-rags, "slightly" fair and balanced. I find it funny when conservatives point out that liberal newpapers do better then conservaitve ones in the FREE MARKET and use that as proof the media is bias. We don't control the press my man, the people pick and choose. That isn't proof of slant, it's proof that conservative papers are poorly run trash....just look at the Washington Times that operates at a loss because a religious lunatic insists a liberal city needs a crappy conservative rag. Notice this is the same argument right wingers use when liberals complain about the state of talk radio. The free market is what it is. What is Fox's agenda? Alan Combs one of their in house liberals would completely disagree with you that "Fox is a GOP propaganda tool." Just because Alan Colmes is willing to bend over for a pay check doesn't make FOXNEWS any less a right wing soapbox. Just look at all the free press the GOP gives them, and the exclusive interviews (one with Bush in the White House). They have a nice i scratch your back you scratch mine relationship going. If Mr. Colmes wants to disagree fine, but to democrats he's as credible as an infomercial for a get rich quick seminar. BTW - would it be correct to assert that JOE GIBBS would be conservative because he's been involved in some traditionally conservative organizations - the NFL & NASCAR? [/b] Yeah and that along with Mark Brunell show that no one, even Gibbs, is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 The only political show I can stand is "Meet the Press." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I used to watch O'Reilley all the time, but havent much in the past 6-8 months. I dislike some of his vendetta;s in the name of "morality" and when he goes after companies for having rappers in commercials. That being said however, I never once saw him "caught in a lie" nor "shouting down" someone who wasnt already trying to do the same to him first. I mostly enjoy his interviews with guys like Bill Maher, whom I often dislke for being heavily liberal and anti-christian, but also agree with on some things. As far as the actual news on Fox (not opinion shows like Hannity, etc) is extremely balanced and while slanted slightly to the right, certainly not "GOP News" as some claim. I tend to get most of my political analysis from Sirrius Radio in my office. I enjoy Mike Church, Jerry Doyle, Larry Elder, Tammy Bruce, and spend about an hour or two a week getting the "alternative point of view" from air america(whom I find laughable and silly most of the time in their thoughts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 pompous, arrogant as$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rteich17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Can't stand O'reilly. He bullies his guests and his show is neither "fair" nor balanced." If you ask any media or journalism expert they will tell you that Fox leans significantly to the right and O'reilly helps pull it in that direction. Not that I buy into all partisan books that have flooded the shelved recently but Al Franken describes O'reilly as an over all unpleasent person with a quick temper and a nasty dispostion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard saunders Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Did anyone see O'reilly on Bill Mahr's show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 O'reilly as an over all unpleasent person with a quick temper and a nasty dispostion. The same could be said about Mr. Franken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 It's entertainment. And it's not as if people dont know what theyre getting when they tune in. I read the NYT every Sunday, and I dont pick up the Editorial Page and think "OMG, this is Liberal!~!!!". I knew it when I bought the paper in the first place. Similarly, guys like Oreilly, Franken, etc are EXACLTY as advertised. The only one that I watch non election season is HardBall. And of course Russert, who is best in the biz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by luckydevil The same could be said about Mr. Franken I don't know, Franken doesn't strike me as having a nasty dispostion. He seems to be more of an extremely annoying person then a mean one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Edit sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 The main problem I have with Bill O'Reilly is the way he goes after rappers.Now don't get me wrong,I'm not a fan of todays rap myself,and I actually agree with him when he says that rap music is bad for inner city youth,even though I know he could care less about inner city youth,but how can this man have the nerve to call these guys thugs,after his "situation" last year,when he payed off a woman to keep quiet about his own thuggish behavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by sith lord The main problem I have with Bill O'Reilly is the way he goes after rappers.Now don't get me wrong,I'm not a fan of todays rap myself,and I actually agree with him when he says that rap music is bad for inner city youth,even though I know he could care less about inner city youth,but how can this man have the nerve to call these guys thugs,after his "situation" last year,when he payed off a woman to keep quiet about his own thuggish behavier. regardless of his own interest in it, or his own behavior. His criticism of Rap is dead on correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 regardless of his own interest in it, or his own behavior. His criticism of Rap is dead on correct. Perhaps, but I still enjoyed the shout out Bill got in Ludacris's 'Number one Spot' Already offers on my 6th album from labels tryin to sign me Respected highly, HIIII MR. O'REILLY Hope all is well, kiss the plantiff and the wifey hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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