warren Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by zoony Who else thinks this Taylor thing is going to get a whole lot worse before it get's better? :paranoid: Man, I'm telling you... I guarantee that at some point in ST's tenure here...he's going to demand a trade. It's obvious he's all about the money, and it just seems like something he'll do. (I was going to actually do a poll to see who else felt this way...but opted not to as I probably would get bombarded with "he's under contract...he's gotta play" comments) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by Warhead36 As long as Taylor plays as well as he did last season(and will be better this year)I doubt it will matter what he does in April. Wrong. Gibbs doesn't put up with this stuff very long. He changes or he's gonna be gone. When asked if he felt better after talking to Gibbs, Arrington said: "I'm happy about trying to get my knee together and that's my main focus. . . . You all want to depict me as a bad guy. I'm hurt. It is what it is." :cry: Cry me a river, LA. From the WT"If you miss the offseason work, that's not smart for you and your career," Gibbs said of the voluntary program that runs from March 21 to June 19. "We don't threaten anybody. You don't have to be here. It's something we're asking you to do. If you're not here, you're hurting the team." And as for Taylor, if as Gibbs says, he asked ST before he was drafted if he would show up for voluntary workouts and ST said yes, then ST is a liar. I think the thing to take away here is Gibbs alluding to 'career' impact...hint, hint, hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgunner Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Welcome to today's NFL. Hey guys you are under contract and dam lucky to be a Redskin, get in there and give us what you got.:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Sean Taylor imo has turned into a little ****. Your boss calls you should return his friggen call. I won't even start on Arrington. I wouldn't want to cry all over myself because of what he's been through or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 50= highest possible score, superior intelligence 21= average intelligence 14= equivalent to unskilled worker Below 14=not very bright Or in other words: 14="mildly autistic donkey" Below 14= "pile of cracked bricks" For the sake of any mildly autistic donkeys that might be offended by the comparison, they're joking about those classifications. WONDERLIC SCORES FROM COMBINE FS Sean Taylor, Miami (FL) - 10 Matt Ware, UCLA - 22 Stuart Schweigert, Purdue - 28 Jason Shivers, Arizona State - 14 Sean Jones, Georgia - 18 Brandon Everage, Oklahoma - 15 Will Allen, Ohio State - 13 Think Arrington's was around 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 In fact, you could make the argument that Taylor is better off working out in Miami learning from Ed Reed then up in Washignton. I'm sure Ed is teaching him a lot. Taylor has all preseason and regular season to learn from our coaches and players. Whats wrong with him learning a thing or two from Ed Reed for a month? Are you for real???? Better off?!?!?!?! What the hell is Taylor going to learn about playing for the Washington Redskins from working out and partying with Ed Reed? (You better believe those guys are partying in Miami when they're not working out.) How is Reed going to teach Taylor how to learn his assignments and how to direct the secondary in Gregg Williams' defense? Taylor had a fine rookie season, but He's still got a ton to learn, and he's not going to do it in Miami. Taylor had January, February, and most of March to hang with his Hurricane buds. NOW is the time to be in Ashburn with his Redskins teammates, working his butt off to turn this franchise around. I'm simply aghast at how many people still don't get what this is about. It's not about staying in physical condition. It's about creating a winning environment--for the REDSKINS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitnskins Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 I couldn't agree more........as a matter of fact if it's such a good idea, why not just let the whole go back to their home town or the college they attended and let them work out there???? Taylor is just being a selfish, immature punk like he was all last year..........Personally, I don't care who wears that Redskins uniform, because I'm Redskins fan, not a Tayor fan or Lavar fan, or Moss fan, etc........I want players that want to be here, and you can bet your last friggin dollar that I will support Gibbs over any of these "me-first" type players of today! I wish Gibbs would clean house of all of those players that we have on our team.......it's not hard to tell them apart either............it really is a shame that we have the salary cap, not because of who we could go out and get, but because of who we can't cut due to the ramifications of the salary cap. It really handicaps the Coaches in what they can do as far as setting examples out of players. I think Sean Taylor is a great player, but how is it fair that he gets to hang out at his hometown and work out, while everyone else is at Redskins park busting their azzes for the team. For all of the people that think it's fine that he's not here, what if the whole team decided to take that approach? Would that still be fine??? How is it any different????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by GURU Are you for real???? Better off?!?!?!?! What the hell is Taylor going to learn about playing for the Washington Redskins from working out and partying with Ed Reed? (You better believe those guys are partying in Miami when they're not working out.) How is Reed going to teach Taylor how to learn his assignments and how to direct the secondary in Gregg Williams' defense? Taylor had a fine rookie season, but He's still got a ton to learn, and he's not going to do it in Miami. Taylor had January, February, and most of March to hang with his Hurricane buds. NOW is the time to be in Ashburn with his Redskins teammates, working his butt off to turn this franchise around. I'm simply aghast at how many people still don't get what this is about. It's not about staying in physical condition. It's about creating a winning environment--for the REDSKINS! He is working out with the BEST safety in the league. If you can't see how that can help his game, you are just being hard-headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 The Sean Taylor story is a lot of talk about nothing....He is working at Miami....He hasn't skipped any mini-camps, and he nor his agent have said that he would. In today's NFL, no team has 100% participation in voluntary workouts...Joe Gibbs needs to calm down and recognize this is the nature of the beast as opposed to treating this like its training camp and going to the media over it. Keep it behind closed doors Joe!!! The way Gibbs is addressing the Taylor issue is making it sound like he's a training camp holdout... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by Sebowski He is working out with the BEST safety in the league. If you can't see how that can help his game, you are just being hard-headed. I seriously doubt that there are any Patriots or Eagles working out with Ed Reed in Miami. It's silly to think that he is benefitting from this more than he would if he were here with his team and coaches. Silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by Chachie I seriously doubt that there are any Patriots or Eagles working out with Ed Reed in Miami. It's silly to think that he is benefitting from this more than he would if he were here with his team and coaches. Silly. You think those teams have 100% attendence?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpickering Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by thinker Frankly it seems like Taylor is just plain angry at the world. I don't know where that comes from but all the misfortune that has befallen him has been his own doing. He chose not to hire an agent until virtually the last possible moment and a guy that was somewhat suspect as far as his experience working on major deals. He chose to sign the contract. He chose to not go to the rookie seminar. He got a shaving cream pie in the face (hello - every rookie and most baseball players during interviews get those) - yet he felt wronged by the press for not "warning" him. He chose to speed in the middle of the night after a mid-week party and got pulled over by the police. Exactly who is out to get him? Exactly how did the Redskins sc*w him? Exactly how have they acted in bad faith? So it's not about the Skins - it's about his delusions and immaturity. I would have hoped that Rosenhaus could counsel the kid. Unfortunately he seems to be marketing himself to all of the unhappy players in the league. For Taylor's sake I hope someone can talk to him and let him know that all of this will only hurt him in the short, medium and long term. The only things the Skins did not do is "baby" Taylor like he has been accustomed to in high school and at Miami. He needs to grow up. He is an adult now in an adult's league. After reading the artcile, Taylor and Moss seem like liars. They said they would commit to offseason activities but they went back on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Taylor will react faster this season, that is scary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by cphil006 Taylor will react faster this season, that is scary... Hows he doing that? Chasing strange out in South Beach during spring break? First he gets busted for DUI, then ****es about his contract like a baby with soiled diapers and now is in Miami and wont return his coaches calls? Someone needs an attitude adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by bubba9497 Taylor is immature Bingo! The kid is very immature and must be getting some bad advice from someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 No matter what anyone wants to say about Lavar he is the leader of the team. He's the face of the Redskins behind Gibbs. If not him who Portis, Ramsey, no fellas it's Lavar he's our man. Taylor has been a head case sense college damn near every player out of Miami is a head case. I think that is a prerequisite to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Vet Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 The way I read Gibbs press conference - he explicitly asked Moss and Taylor if they were coming to pre-season workouts. They said yes. Now they have recanted. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by Sebowski He is working out with the BEST safety in the league. If you can't see how that can help his game, you are just being hard-headed. Actually, I don't see how it would help his game all that much, since Ed Reed doesn't work in our system. Safety isn't like WR or CBs, who can work on stuff like running routes, or techniques to jam WRs at the line, or working on blocking technique. Safety seem to be a complementary role in a defense. The most important role for a Safety is to be in the right position in the defense so that you can assist a CB or a LB, or be in a position to make a play on your own. To me, this is mostly scheme dependent, and I question how much you can learn from a guy who doesn't play your scheme. The boy needs to realise that these actions don't reflect well on him, and he needs to do all he can to be a good boy here. I know some of the things that have happened here with him haven't been his fault, but stuff like this is self-inflicted. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Good thing Arrington didn't sign that "devil contract". Just imagine the evil that would be coming out of his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Originally posted by Oldskool Hows he doing that? Chasing strange out in South Beach during spring break? First he gets busted for DUI, then ****es about his contract like a baby with soiled diapers and now is in Miami and wont return his coaches calls? Someone needs an attitude adjustment. The DUI charges were thrown out of court. What would it take to convince you people it was a false arrest? I guess in this country you are innocent until proven guilty, and then once you are proven innocent, you are still guilty. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Originally posted by TheLongshot Actually, I don't see how it would help his game all that much, since Ed Reed doesn't work in our system. Safety isn't like WR or CBs, who can work on stuff like running routes, or techniques to jam WRs at the line, or working on blocking technique. Safety seem to be a complementary role in a defense. The most important role for a Safety is to be in the right position in the defense so that you can assist a CB or a LB, or be in a position to make a play on your own. To me, this is mostly scheme dependent, and I question how much you can learn from a guy who doesn't play your scheme. The boy needs to realise that these actions don't reflect well on him, and he needs to do all he can to be a good boy here. I know some of the things that have happened here with him haven't been his fault, but stuff like this is self-inflicted. Jason Being around a great player like Ed Reed helps. Period. There is more to the game than X's and O's (which by the way Taylor is not missing out on in DC. It is just workouts and conditioning). Taylor doesn't need to realize anything. If you have a problem with him being in Miami, that is on you. He doesn't need to check with the average fan and the media before he does his thing. He is just a kid. It is only April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Has Gibss ever heard of the expression "its an internal matter"? You don't see Andy Reid addressing the T.O. situation to the press just like you didn't see Bill Belicheck address the Ty Law situation to the media....Handle it behind closed doors and get back to the draft board... Congrats Wizards!!! PLAYOFF BOUND:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Originally posted by jivelikenice Has Gibss ever heard of the expression "its an internal matter"? You don't see Andy Reid addressing the T.O. situation to the press just like you didn't see Bill Belicheck address the Ty Law situation to the media....Handle it behind closed doors and get back to the draft board... Congrats Wizards!!! PLAYOFF BOUND:D Good point. How much good is it doing by making this public? My only logic is that I may prevent others from wanting to skip workouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 aparently taylor's busy. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Originally posted by Sebowski The DUI charges were thrown out of court. What would it take to convince you people it was a false arrest? I guess in this country you are innocent until proven guilty, and then once you are proven innocent, you are still guilty. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Uh huh. Even if he didnt drive drunk, he's already shown a tendancy to get in trouble with the law. Not good no matter what spin you put on it. He is just a kid. It is only April. last time I checked he was over 18 so he's not a kid anymore mom. And as for it being April, well I suppose being a punkass knows no season. He's acting more like a Raider than a Redskin right now. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Originally posted by Oldskool Uh huh. Even if he didnt drive drunk, he's already shown a tendancy to get in trouble with the law. Not good no matter what spin you put on it. How so? What trouble did he get into besides the wrongful arrest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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