Moon landing a hoax

[shadowman]

Introduction

For untold centuries, our ancestors dreamed of traveling to the Moon and back. Only in the last century has such a seemingly impossible journey become feasible. Interest peaked in the 1960s. with the ‘space race’ between the United States and the Soviet Union. Out of that competition, eventually, emerged the Apollo Moon program. Apollo sent nine crews of astronauts on missions to either circumnavigate or land on the Moon. Still, many questions surround these missions, including: Did Apollo actually land on the Moon? What did the Apollo astronauts actually encounter while en route to the Moon? What did they experience while on the Moon? Let us now review these cogent questions to see what really occurred.

The Truth About the Moon

Contrary to popular belief, our Moon is not actually Earth’s natural satellite, but an artificial one that replaced Mother Earth’s natural satellites during the tragic, long-ago destructions of Lemuria and, later. Atlantis. The unmanned probes that landed on the Moon in the early and mid-1960s conducted experiments proving that the Moon ‘rang like a bell’, an unusual phenomenon that resulted from the enormous titanium alloy shell upon which the Moons crust is laid.

Moreover, the Moon’s atmosphere is very slight, with a specific gravity much higher than the commonly held and popularly expounded beliefs of Earth’s scientific community. Also, between Earth and Moon exists a multi-layered band of radiation called the Van Allen Belt that can make any trip to Earth’s moon potentially dangerous.

Apollo’s Bizarre Beginnings

For most of the I 960s, Apollo labored under the burden of a martyred president’s mandate to land U.S. astronauts on the Moon before the end of the decade. Consequently, the real powers behind the ‘space race’ were pressured to engage in some apparently bizarre behaviors, which caused its deepest detractors to raise serous questions about the Apollo program’s validity. To its scientific critics, the Apollo program seemed either to be an enormous hoax or a massive ‘cover-up’.

In fact, it was both. Apollo was surrounded by a massive UFO cover-up, as well as by a space agency up to its eyeballs’ in the exotic technology that resulted from that cover-up. Global black operations, created by the world’s ruling cabals so as to deal with the ‘alien presence’ and its exotic technology, kept close watch on the space race. Remember that the period of the I 950s. 1 960s and 1 970s abounded in the many outlandish consequences of the ‘cold war’, and Apollo proved to be no exception. The Moon was the site of various alien’ bases and of a strategic ‘high ground’ much coveted by our military leaders and planners.

Was Apollo a Hoax or a Cover-up or was it Real?

The Moon was a future base that had already been secretly occupied by different groups of off-worlders and their invited guest - global black ops. Many leaders in global black ops saw Apollo as a way to acquire some important advantages for their earthly masters with these strange ‘off-worlders’. But they still required a neat, squeaky-clean, ‘apple pie’ cover story to prevent sudden public uproar concerning the covered-up existence of these ETs.

To the public, these highly publicized men with the ‘right stuff were the heroes of the Apollo mission.

courageously traveling through outer space on normal, rocketry-equipped hardware. In fact, the astronauts were merely pawns, held to secrecy by governmental non-disclosure oaths.

Nothing was, as it appeared to be. A complex plot with sinister goals was now afoot. Apollo had to go to the Moon. but not just to discover what was there. In reality, the Apollo project was to be used to create a form of ‘bargaining chip’ for use in ongoing negotiations with global black ops’ highly secret ‘allies’ - a group of dark star-nations.

Beginning in the late 1950s, this same group of dark off-wonders had brought several specially selected military and civilian scientists to their inner-Moon bases. Global black ops acquired their alien-based technology by either retrieving ‘crashed’ UFOs or back-engineering vehicles that the dark aliens had given them. Yet global black ops felt that they lacked an essential tool. They needed to discover extra ways to accumulate more advanced alien technology and to obtain greater freedom for their special operations at the alien Moon bases. Global black ops needed a ploy. They invented Apollo.

Apollo’s Smoke and Mirrors

The Apollo project needed to develop some very special hardware in order to meet its end-of-decade deadline. To the public, this hardware had to appear normal at all times. The global community had to firmly believe that we went to the Moon using only advanced rocketry and other ‘state-of-the-art’ technology. In addition. Apollo’s secret payloads, including the advanced alien technology, had to be easily hidden. Moreover, the Moon had to appear exactly as Earth’s scientists had previously described it. To enable this to happen, the Apollo project. from its inception, was divided into three parts, like Caesar’s Gaul.

First, global black ops established a specially constructed television studio at a secret Earth location. Second, Apollo astronauts were deliberately given badly focused or ‘grainy’ video cameras for use on the Moon. Third, to make Apollo seem real enough and so as not to reveal the existence of the dark ETs and their exotic technology, the Apollo project later released a number of ‘doctored’ and/or specially made photographs. Selected optical scientists and technicians, ‘borrowed’ from other global black ops projects, had manufactured them.

Initially, the Apollo project required unusually high levels of internal secrecy and of specially focused publicity. In order to succeed, global black ops had again to consult their true masters - the sundry groups of secret cabals that long had exerted influence in controlling Earth’s high finances and its various governments. The mass media had to be prevented from delving into the ‘right places’ and destroying this very expensive cover-up. Essential government departments and their allied agencies, which were involved in the Apollo project, needed to be kept from taking part in any sudden ‘independent investigations’. A manufactured ‘united front’ such as this was needed to carry out the massive cover-up successfully. Thus, at all times. Apollo had to create the outward appearance of being non-military. According to this fiction, Apollo was simply a fact-finding scientific expedition to our closest neighbor - the Moon. On the contrary, Apollo was actually global black- ops’ mission to show the dark ‘aliens’ our secret trump card, thereby gaining much-needed concessions from them.

For Apollo to reach the Moon, global black ops employed some of its back-engineered alien technology, which was expressly designed to assist Apollo in successfully landing on the Moon and returning to Earth. This equipment was also able to protect the three-man crew from any dangerous radiation they encountered while in Earth-Moon space. Global black ops deeply believed that both good and bad aliens would closely watch over Apollo’s many voyages to the Moon. Therefore, they developed a specific code to communicate important facts to ground control. But this code had a second, more sinister intent - to keep the public from knowing what was really happening to Apollo. For example, on one flight, UFOs were identified as ‘Santa Claus’ and, during a Christmas circumnavigation of the Moon, one astronaut stated. “there really is a Santa Claus”. According to the code, he meant that many alien observational craft (or UFOs) surrounded Apollo. Many other ‘tricks’ were involved in carrying out this elaborate cover-up.

A Trip to the Moon

Each manned Apollo mission to the Moon was carried out as a three-part project. First, the actual Apollo crew and their immediate equipment. Second. the constant series of secret television studio work that was needed to convey the image of a dark, foreboding and airless Moon. Lastly, the post-flight photo shoots that provided much-needed ‘doctored’ lunar photographs. As mentioned earlier, these photographs were meticulously produced to keep the Apollo cover-up going. A series of global black ops ‘producers’ and their large crews wove all of these elements together. These producers had direct access to the Apollo mission and to its major ground stations, including Apollo mission control centers in Texas and Florida. Every aspect was followed according to a pm-arranged script. The ill-fated Apollo 13 mission was the only exception. However, Apollo 13’s difficulties were due, not to an exploding fuel cell, but to carrying an illegal cargo, consisting of a small plutonium bomb, to the Moon.

This mission was cut short by the rapid. well-placed burst from a particle beam weapon carried onboard a trailing UFO craft. The true secret agenda of global black ops had been duly discovered and thwarted. Global black ops intended to send such ‘devices’ to the Moon and use them to gain additional concessions from their dark off-world allies. Global black ops also used incidents such as these to illustrate one crucial point to their dark allies.

Regardless of what happened in space, black ops were always able to conceal these incidents as easily as they had the decades-long conspiracy involving the dark star-nations.

Apollo 13 was graciously helped home by several friendly UFO craft nearby. With the help of tractor beams and other life-supporting technology, the UFO crafts allowed Apollo 13, first, to circumnavigate the Moon and, then, to land successfully on Earth.

Apollo: Its Lessons

This sudden discovery brought about the expected dissolution of the manned Apollo Moon program. Collectively, Galactic Federation of Light forces based upon the Moon and on Mars, as well as those of the dark star-nations, soon prohibited further manned missions to these spheres. This decision forced the cancellation of the proposed Apollo missions that had been scheduled beyond the mandated Apollo 17 mission.

The simple truth was that Apollo was not really intended to take man to the Moon. Beneath the Hollywood-type production and vast cover-up, the Apollo mission was an attempt at lunar sabotage and skullduggery. Apollo’s quick demise brought an end to the first chapters in America’s highly publicized manned space flight programs. It did not, however, end global black ops’ back-engineered technology programs, or its true ‘star wars’ plans. The truth is out there. However, as the saying goes, that is another story.

[Prosperity]

Originally posted by Skins24

I think Tommy is arguing for the sake of arguing.

and remember we only see one side of the moon every night...

The lander landed on the only side of the moon that IS visible to the earth, take it for what you will.

[Tarhog]

Originally posted by codeorama

FYI, In a Playboy interview, Marshall Faulk said he believed the moon landings were a hoax. (I'm not taking any side, I'm just pointing this out)

Faulk had some interesting reasons involving physics and such. He was either really intelligent or really stupid.

Well thats enough for me. And I think he meant 'psychics' code.

I'm reserving judgement until I hear from Stephen Davis.

:rotflmao:

Seriously. You guys are killing me.

Next thread topic: If Mighty Mouse and Superman were in a fight, who would win?

[Yomar]

Mighty Mouse would get killed. He'd be tough to catch but I don't know anyone who can build a mousetrap better than Superman. His only shot would be if he was able to transmit some type of kryptonic plague to the world's population. What else could he do? Mighty Mouse is a mouse dude.

[skinsanity56]

where's MULDER when you need him?

[panel]

Sorry, there is no hoax. There is just no way that anyone would even THINK of TRING to pull of a stunt like that.

[Burgold]

The moon landing was Alfred Hitch****s sequal to the War of the Worlds radio stunt.

Okay, it wasn't... but, that would be pretty funny. I've always accepted the landing as real. It would be too hard to pull off and keep the secret of the con especially so many years later with so many making millions with sleazy book deals these days.

[codeorama]

Originally posted by Tarhog

Well thats enough for me. And I think he meant 'psychics' code.

I'm reserving judgement until I hear from Stephen Davis.

:rotflmao:

Seriously. You guys are killing me.

Next thread topic: If Mighty Mouse and Superman were in a fight, who would win?

LOL...

BTW, Might Mouse would win.

Just because.

[Waldo da Magnificent]

Originally posted by Tarhog

Well thats enough for me. And I think he meant 'psychics' code.

I'm reserving judgement until I hear from Stephen Davis.

:rotflmao:

Seriously. You guys are killing me.

Next thread topic: If Mighty Mouse and Superman were in a fight, who would win?

Well, of course Mighty Mouse would win. He could shove a chunk of Kryptonite up his a . . . er, give him a Kryptonite enema, and that would be that.

Now, of course, if Batman got involved, he could come up with the ultimate mousetrap. But then, MM could call up Road Runner to toast Batman.

[72SKINS]

for all you conspiracy people..Here is a website that you might be interested in checking out.

http://lunaranomalies.com/

the site has quite a few interesting articles regarding the moon landing.

[MaddogCT]

For those of you who believe that the moon landing was hoaxed need to visit this site:

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/

It takes common "evidence" that the landing was a hoax, and uses it to prove the landing actually happened! Plus it explains many miss conceptions about space, science & photography.

Enjoy!

:logo:

[Baculus]

Wow, that thread was from 2002. The funny thing is, though I posted on page one of the thread, somewhat rebutting some of the "Moon landing" hoaxers, I actually ended up buying the movie, "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon," just to check it out. Heh. It *does* have some interesting points, but I don't think I am convinced; I am far too ingrained with the fact that we've visited La Luna.

I'd be very sad if we can't even travel to our nearest satellite. How primitive of us.

[MaddogCT]

Yea, I know it was an old thread,but I did a search first and that was the most recent.

I just think site I posted above pretty much puts to rest any serious questions as to wether we made it to the moon.

As for one question posted here:

Q. Why don't we just point Hubble or some other big telescope at the moon to show the moon landing sites?

A. From http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/Hubble.htm

The biggest problem with this is that they simply are not powerful enough. The lunar landers are very,very,very small in astronomical terms and they're pretty far away as well. There isn't a telescope in existence that could take a picture of one.

There are lots of mathematics we could show to demonstrate this, but's it's very complicated and we don't fully understand it anyway. But here's our abridged dumbed-down version.

Size of Lunar Module. Let's be really generous and say 10m square.

Distance between Hubble and Moon. About 350, 000km.

This works out as an visual angle of (10m)/(3.5 x 10^8m) * (180/PI) = 1.6 x 10^-6 degrees = 6 milliarcseconds.

The WFPC2 'telescope' on Hubble has the following resolution: 800x800 pixels of a 35 arcseconds field of view with a pixel scale of 46 milliarcseconds.

Actually resolution in practice is a little below this.

So what does this all mean? Well, roughly speaking, it means that the lunar lander would have to be 15 times larger before it would even cause a dot on a Hubble picture.

We stole the following off a NASA discussion board. We would usually just link to it, but discussion messages have a habit of expiring and this was too good to lose. Ed Cheng explains there's a law of physics that would prevent Hubble seeing the Lunar Module, and it's to do with the size of its light collecting mirror.

The wavelength of visible light is around 550x10^-9m (i.e. very very small).

The diameter of Hubble's mirror is 2.4m.

Highest ever physically possible resolution = 1.4 x 550 x 10^-9 /2.4 m = 3.2 x 10^-7 radians

At a distance of 350,000km this works out as about 124 metres. As Ed says, roughly the size of a football field.

:logo:

[cfujskins]

Kevin Overstreet supporters :doh:

The old TMLWF crowd, eh?

There's physical evidence that we went to the moon (800 lbs of Moon rocks anyone?). This is a very touching subject for me (I used to be obsessed with this argument) so...:peaceout:

[cfujskins]

dbl post. srry

[Zen-like Todd]

How timely.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2005-03-04-moon-landing-snoop_x.htm

March 4, 2005

Spacecraft to check out Apollo Moon sites

By Leonard David, SPACE.com

A European spacecraft now orbiting the Moon could turn out to be a time machine of sorts as it photographs old landing sites of Soviet robotic probes and the areas where American Apollo crews set down and explored.

Apollo 11's Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin plant a U.S. flag on the Moon's surface. An orbiting ESA probe will soon check in on the historic site.

NASA via AP

New imagery of old Apollo touchdown spots, from the European Space Agency's (ESA) SMART-1 probe, might put to rest conspiratorial thoughts that U.S. astronauts didn't go the distance and scuff up the lunar landscape. NASA carried out six piloted landings on the Moon in the time period 1969 through 1972.

Fringe theorists have said images of the waving flag — on a Moon with no atmosphere — and other oddities show that NASA never really went to the Moon. No serious scientist or spaceflight historian doubts the success of the Apollo program, however. (Related coverage: SPACE.com's Top 10 Apollo Hoax Theories)

"We are observing some of the landing sites for calibration and ground truth purposes," said Bernard Foing, Chief Scientist of the ESA Science Program.

Foing told SPACE.com that the SMART-1 orbiter circling the Moon has already covered the Apollo 11, 16, 17 landing sites, as well as spots where the former Soviet Union's Luna 16 and Luna 20 automated vehicles plopped down. The images have not yet been released.

Detailed search planned

Given SMART-1's initial high orbit, however, it may prove difficult to see artifacts, Foing explained. Using its ion engine, the probe has successfully spiraled down further to an altitude closer to the Moon.

Foing said that each Apollo site, where the engine blast of the two-person landing craft stirred up the landscape, could be worthwhile targets for SMART-1 imaging.

"We shall search for them, with measurements not only in black and white, but also in three colors giving some information about minerals, weathering or [rocket engine] plume disturbance," he said.

SMART-1 operators also plan sequences that keep the probe's camera specially trained on some landing sites as it sweeps overhead, Foing said. Along with these observations and others, the spacecraft will also be busy gleaning data in preparation for future international lunar exploration missions, he emphasized.

SMART-1 arrived in lunar orbit last November. Last month, ESA announced that the lunar mission would be extended by one year, pushing back the mission end date from August 2005 to August 2006.

The extension permits stereo measurements of select areas of interest. Doing so, topography maps of specific lunar real estate can be created. Mapping prospective landing sites for future robotic and human missions are possible too.

Why not Hubble?

If SMART-1 can get an eyeful, why not use the Hubble space telescope to take photos of the Apollo landing sites? Hubble did photograph the Moon, in 1999.

"Anything left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any Hubble image," According to the Space Telescope Science Institute, which operates Hubble for NASA. "It would just appear as a dot."

Meanwhile, the trickiest task that the SMART-1 scientists have set themselves is to use a spacecraft spectrometer to look for the infrared signature of water ice, and perhaps frozen carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide too. Previous missions have provided evidence for water ice tucked away in permanently shadowed polar craters.

Any water on the lunar surface would be very helpful in the creation of permanent bases on the Moon, as outlined last year by President Bush. Other nations have Moon plans, too.

But to have survived, the water must be in the form of ice in places always hidden from the Sun. Such dark places exist, notably in the bottoms of small craters in the Moon's polar regions.

[cfujskins]

Originally posted by Zen-like Todd

How timely.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2005-03-04-moon-landing-snoop_x.htm

March 4, 2005

Spacecraft to check out Apollo Moon sites

By Leonard David, SPACE.com

A European spacecraft now orbiting the Moon could turn out to be a time machine of sorts as it photographs old landing sites of Soviet robotic probes and the areas where American Apollo crews set down and explored.

Apollo 11's Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin plant a U.S. flag on the Moon's surface. An orbiting ESA probe will soon check in on the historic site.

NASA via AP

New imagery of old Apollo touchdown spots, from the European Space Agency's (ESA) SMART-1 probe, might put to rest conspiratorial thoughts that U.S. astronauts didn't go the distance and scuff up the lunar landscape. NASA carried out six piloted landings on the Moon in the time period 1969 through 1972.

Fringe theorists have said images of the waving flag — on a Moon with no atmosphere — and other oddities show that NASA never really went to the Moon. No serious scientist or spaceflight historian doubts the success of the Apollo program, however. (Related coverage: SPACE.com's Top 10 Apollo Hoax Theories)

"We are observing some of the landing sites for calibration and ground truth purposes," said Bernard Foing, Chief Scientist of the ESA Science Program.

Foing told SPACE.com that the SMART-1 orbiter circling the Moon has already covered the Apollo 11, 16, 17 landing sites, as well as spots where the former Soviet Union's Luna 16 and Luna 20 automated vehicles plopped down. The images have not yet been released.

Detailed search planned

Given SMART-1's initial high orbit, however, it may prove difficult to see artifacts, Foing explained. Using its ion engine, the probe has successfully spiraled down further to an altitude closer to the Moon.

Foing said that each Apollo site, where the engine blast of the two-person landing craft stirred up the landscape, could be worthwhile targets for SMART-1 imaging.

"We shall search for them, with measurements not only in black and white, but also in three colors giving some information about minerals, weathering or [rocket engine] plume disturbance," he said.

SMART-1 operators also plan sequences that keep the probe's camera specially trained on some landing sites as it sweeps overhead, Foing said. Along with these observations and others, the spacecraft will also be busy gleaning data in preparation for future international lunar exploration missions, he emphasized.

SMART-1 arrived in lunar orbit last November. Last month, ESA announced that the lunar mission would be extended by one year, pushing back the mission end date from August 2005 to August 2006.

The extension permits stereo measurements of select areas of interest. Doing so, topography maps of specific lunar real estate can be created. Mapping prospective landing sites for future robotic and human missions are possible too.

Why not Hubble?

If SMART-1 can get an eyeful, why not use the Hubble space telescope to take photos of the Apollo landing sites? Hubble did photograph the Moon, in 1999.

"Anything left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any Hubble image," According to the Space Telescope Science Institute, which operates Hubble for NASA. "It would just appear as a dot."

Meanwhile, the trickiest task that the SMART-1 scientists have set themselves is to use a spacecraft spectrometer to look for the infrared signature of water ice, and perhaps frozen carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide too. Previous missions have provided evidence for water ice tucked away in permanently shadowed polar craters.

Any water on the lunar surface would be very helpful in the creation of permanent bases on the Moon, as outlined last year by President Bush. Other nations have Moon plans, too.

But to have survived, the water must be in the form of ice in places always hidden from the Sun. Such dark places exist, notably in the bottoms of small craters in the Moon's polar regions.

:jump:

[Guest sith lord]

I never believed they landed on the moon.

[SkinsHokieFan]

A 3 year old thread that keeps popping up? Amazing

[buenosdiaz]

lies!!!!!!!!!!

[Zguy28]

My goodness, this one was from 2002. Its been recycled like 3 times.

[mjah]

Incredibly, this thread already got bumped.

In 2003.

And then again in 2005.

And now in 2007.

Will it bumped in 2009?

I'm guessing: Without a doubt.

For the historical record, as of this post date my sig features George W. Bush and John McCain making out.

[JeffSchmeff]

Incredibly, this thread already got bumped.

In 2003.

And then again in 2005.

And now in 2007.

Will it bumped in 2009?

I'm guessing: Without a doubt.

For the historical record, as of this post date my sig features George W. Bush and John McCain making out.

:secret: It's 2008.

[mjah]

:secret: It's 2008.

Well, I know it was 2007 when I started typing that post.

Let me check my calendar here...

OH MY GOD. No wonder I have to pee so bad!

[Corcaigh]

Well, I know it was 2007 when I started typing that post.

Let me check my calendar here...

OH MY GOD. No wonder I have to pee so bad!

Or you could have said ... "yes, in your Earth years it is 2008."