inmate running the asylum Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 The options we have with Smoot are not very good. 1. First of all we can't trade Smoot. He is a UFA and is technically not under contract, although we retain his rights until March 1st. 2. If we Transition Tag Smoot, we will lose him and get nothing in return. The Redskins are cap squeezed at the moment and some team with a lot of cap room will put a poison pill in their offer to him, that we can't match. This is what happened last year to Kansas City, when they lost John Tait to the Bears. Because of this, teams rarely Transition Tag players anymore. 3. If we Franchise Tag Smoot in order to try and trade him, this automatically boosts his pay into the top 5 category of CB's and would probably backfire. He's not THAT good and I doubt that any other team would be willing to pay him accordingly AND also give us a #1 draft pick in return. Plus, the Redskins don't have enough cap room to tender him $8 million per year to make him a Franchise Tag player to begin with. Then there's the question of how big a signing bonus does Smoot deserve, or more importantly how much can he get on the open market. According to Cerrato, the Skins offered to make Smoot one of the 10 highest paid CB's. That seems fair to me for a guy who has never had an all-pro season, except maybe this year. My records may not be complete, but these are the 10 most recent highest paid CB's. Champ Bailey (2004) $ 18.0 SB + $ 5 RB - 7 yrs @ $ 63 million Ty Law (1999) $ 14.2 SB 7 yrs @ $ 51 million Ahmed Plummer (2004) $ 11.0 SB 5 yrs @ ? Antione Winfield (2004) $ 10.8 SB 6 yrs @ $ 34.8 million Shawn Springs (2004) $ 10.0 SB 6 yrs @ $ 30 million Lito Sheppard (2004) $ 9.0 SB 5 yr ext @ $25 million Sheldon Brown (2004) $ 7.5 SB 6 yr ext @ ? Jason Webster (2004) $ 7.0 SB 6 yrs @ $ 18 million Dre’ Bly (2003) $ 6.5 SB*5 yrs @ $ 24.5 million Fred Thomas (2004) $ 5.0 SB 4 yrs @ $ 14 million Sam Madison (2004) $ 4.7 SB Renegotiated 4 yrs @ $ 18 million David Barrett (2004) $ 4.5 SB 6 yrs @ $ 21 million So it looks like we are between a rock and a hard place, unless Smoot changes his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles-UK Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 eagles corners both got pretty much identical contracts, the official figures weren't released but they both got abot a 7-8 mil SB and about 28 mil overalll over seven years but these were extensions when their rookie contracts run out in 2 years so i'm not sure if that makes a real difference. there is a thread with all the number on the Eagles MB but the search function is broken so i can't find it.. Both guys are younger than smoot but have far less time as established starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullbackIsKey Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles-UK eagles corners both got pretty much identical contracts, the official figures weren't released but they both got abot a 7-8 mil SB and about 28 mil overalll over seven years but these were extensions when their rookie contracts run out in 2 years so i'm not sure if that makes a real difference. there is a thread with all the number on the Eagles MB but the search function is broken so i can't find it.. Both guys are younger than smoot but have far less time as established starters. Lito is the man, Go Gators. :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck sorry, had to reaffirm myself after hailing an eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullbackIsKey Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 hey inmate, do you know where the list of redskins player salaries went to? I know its no longer on the main page, but it wasn't hosted here, so it might still exist somewhere??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted December 31, 2004 Author Share Posted December 31, 2004 Originally posted by FullbackIsKey hey inmate, do you know where the list of redskins player salaries went to? I know its no longer on the main page, but it wasn't hosted here, so it might still exist somewhere??? It was discontinued because Buddha doesn't have time to keep it up to date anymore. You can use this one for 2004 salaries. http://redskins.scout.com/3/salary_cap_chart.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbob74 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Smoot seen a lot of corners get a big pay day last year and knows it's his turn now. If some team out there wants to really overpay for him we have to step back and although it would be really disappointing to lose him, we can't break the bank for him. Hopefully, we can sort something out, one of the problems we have is that with the CBA only having another 2 years to run, we can only pro rate bonus money over 5 years, so we really need to lookmat a split bonus, which is maybe something Smoot doesn't want to do. I'll be sick if Smoot goes, but, I don't want us to overpay for anyone, we have been doing that for too long now. We made the right choice with Bailey last year, lets hope that whatever happens with Smoot is the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golgo-13 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 One thing he has working against him is the new rules. Corners have become less valuable due to them. I anticipate less enthusiasm on the free agency market than last year. We shall see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 hmmm... i thot bus cook was a reasonable guy. i am not sure i would offer smoot anything beyond a base 6 year 30 mil deal with a 7-8 mil SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Smoot should also know that if he and his agents try to play hardball too much, they will be given their walking papers. I mean Champ would have been resigned here, but wanted more money. He went to Denver in the trade, got all the money he wanted, and has CLEARLY SHOWN he is not worth all that cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 much ado about nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted January 1, 2005 Author Share Posted January 1, 2005 I dug this up on Buzzard CB's Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown. Sheppard got a $9 million SB and Brown got $7.5 million. -- Eagles Extend Sheppard -- Fri Nov 5, 2004 --from FFMastermind.com ESPN's John Clayton reports the Philadelphia Eagles have extended CB Lito Sheppard through the 2011 season by reaching a five-year extension that could be worth as much as $25 million. Sheppard agreed to the deal Friday, one day after fellow CB Sheldon Brown signed a six-year extension that will take him through the 2012 season. Brown received $7.5 million to sign. Sheppard received around $9 million to sign. He had three years remaining on the contract he signed when he was drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Why we may be between a rock and hard place in signing Fred Smoot ? 5 Words: 1. Barrow 2. Brunell 3. Money 4. Lack thereof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Brunell is the biggest disappointment from a cap wise statepoint. Last year we didn't know Pierce was this good or that Barrow would have gotten injured. Next year, Lavar better step up and earn his money. Samuels, hopefully, we accept a more cap friendly contract. Reference Smoot, I agree with some of you that Smoot should be offerred top 10 money only. Six years at 30 mil including a 10 mil signing bonus. Maybe five percent increase because of salary inflation, but nothing more than that. We cannot continue to pay these players top dollar. Edit: I am getting tired of the "It's all about the money attitude from players" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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