jimster Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Originally posted by soljaofjesus so if we get a guard... are yall saying dockerry should sit on the bench? I thought bugel likes dockery, and will continue to develop him as a player. We all lknow we don't want Randy Thomas to sit out .. sooooo. what exactly are yall saying Dockery is a canidate to stay on the team as a back-up. Bugel's praises were earlier in the year. Dockery may be one of those guys better suited to develop from a 2nd stringer spot. a new and more physical LG, C and Jansen back, the O-line should be in great shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 I think we resign all three of those guys, honestly. I can see Gibbs using Rock next season. Maybe I'm just hoping he does that, but I got a feeling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Westbrook36 What I would like you to do is go do some research on what you just said, instead of just talking smack off the top of your head, and come report back to us about what complete untrue and ridiculous garbage you just posted. Thank you in advance. From the NFLPA, the combined cap figures of those players(base salary plus pro-rated bonus charge): McNabb: 6 million+performance bonuses Tra Thomas: 5.55 million+performance bonuses Owens: 7 million +performance bonuses Runyan: 7.55 million+performance bonuses Kearse: 8 million+performance bonuses. 34.1 million before performance bonuses(which count againt the cap). You're welcome. Now be quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Your main contention was what I disagreed with...that the Eagles will be in any sort of cap trouble in 2006. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6482777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Westbrook36 Your main contention was what I disagreed with...that the Eagles will be in any sort of cap trouble in 2006. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6482777 Those are the 2005 numbers I gave. The 2007 numbers are higher, but the 2006 numbers is low because TO's contract dips and none of the major contracts go up significantly. 2007: you remove Runyan's contract and move everyone else's(TO, Kearse, McNabb, Tra Thomas) contract up by about 2-3 million. You need to re-read that article. The Eagles have 18 players under contract in 2006, and have 36 million to pay 35 players. And they have 34 free agents to be going into next season. That's more than half the team! Pat Kirwin is assuming a whole lot: mostly that no-one gets any new big contracts. As long as they let people like Lito Sheppard, Brian Dawkins, Simon, Hank Fraley, Brian Westbrook etc etc go and replace them, then they won't have any cap problems. But one more big contract and they have to make hard decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Would like to see the team keep all three of the Redskins mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmoreSkinsfan Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Rock will sign somewhere else. Pierce will get 5 years 26 mill and 8 mill signing bonus. Smoot will get 7 years 41 mill and 12.5 signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by BmoreSkinsfan Rock will sign somewhere else. Pierce will get 5 years 26 mill and 8 mill signing bonus. Smoot will get 7 years 41 mill and 12.5 signing bonus. Thats too much for Smoot. And a little high for Pierce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagletooth Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Yes get Whale and put Dockery on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 The one thing that will help the Skins is they can use Lito's contract as a basis....it is a pretty friendly deal for management. Also, no way Pierce gets 5 million a year. No MLB is worth that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummagumma Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Akhhorus Those are the 2005 numbers I gave. The 2007 numbers are higher, but the 2006 numbers is low because TO's contract dips and none of the major contracts go up significantly. 2007: you remove Runyan's contract and move everyone else's(TO, Kearse, McNabb, Tra Thomas) contract up by about 2-3 million. You need to re-read that article. The Eagles have 18 players under contract in 2006, and have 36 million to pay 35 players. And they have 34 free agents to be going into next season. That's more than half the team! Pat Kirwin is assuming a whole lot: mostly that no-one gets any new big contracts. As long as they let people like Lito Sheppard, Brian Dawkins, Simon, Hank Fraley, Brian Westbrook etc etc go and replace them, then they won't have any cap problems. But one more big contract and they have to make hard decisions. Yes and the article clearly states that they have more players signed for less money then most teams. You sort of baited and switched picking out 2006 early in the thread and then when Westbrook called you on it you went to 2007. God, I'm defending Eagle fans. But since most people are ignorant about our cap situation, we should try to be more open to theirs. BTW, in 2006 the Redskins will have 33 players with a cap number of $103M. So that's 15 more players than, but about negitive $44M difference in cap $$$. I'm assuming a $95M Cap in 2006, so Philly is $36M under and we're $8M over = $44M. Of course, they'll cut a few this offseason (Samuels $11M) which will effect that number, but you get the idea. In 2007 18 players and $72M. Now i'm not predicting doom and gloom for the Skins because I know the Skins can and will do things to head off this problem, but the Eagles will also have some remedy's. I'm just putting perspective on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummagumma Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Westbrook36 The one thing that will help the Skins is they can use Lito's contract as a basis....it is a pretty friendly deal for management. Also, no way Pierce gets 5 million a year. No MLB is worth that much. Unless we're talking about the skins signing Trotter. :puke: :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by ummagumma Yes and the article clearly states that they have more players signed for less money then most teams. You sort of baited and switched picking out 2006 early in the thread and then when Westbrook called you on it you went to 2007. no, I said "by 2006" and gave figures for both 2005(the list I gave) and 2007. So, no I didn't bait and switch. The article clearly states what I said, all I did was to quote the article. The Eagles will have 34 out of 53 players heading into Free Agency next season. And in 2006, they will have 36 million to fill 35 roster spots. Get your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Akhhorus The Eagles will have 34 out of 53 players heading into Free Agency next season. Get your facts straight. What are you talking about? Philadelphia doesn't have 19 players left scheduled to play next year. In fact, as they have off the top of my head: QB- McNabb, Detmer RB- Westbrook RFA, Tapeh WR- Owens, Pinkston, Mitchell, Lewis, McMullen OLine- Andrews, Runyan, Thomas, Fraley, Hicks TE- Smith, Bartrum DLine- Kearse, Walker, McDougle, Thomas, Rayburn, Green LB- Wayne, Simoneau, Jones DB- Sheppard, Brown, Lewis, Dawkins, Reed, Mikell, Wynn K- Akers P- Johnson They have at least 34 players signed to multi-year deals, and that is with me not researching the backup OLine/other position extended deals. What you wrote makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz What are you talking about? Philadelphia doesn't have 19 players left scheduled to play next year. In fact, as they have off the top of my head: QB- McNabb, Detmer RB- Westbrook RFA, Tapeh WR- Owens, Pinkston, Mitchell, Lewis, McMullen OLine- Andrews, Runyan, Thomas, Fraley, Hicks TE- Smith, Bartrum DLine- Kearse, Walker, McDougle, Thomas, Rayburn, Green LB- Wayne, Simoneau, Jones DB- Sheppard, Brown, Lewis, Dawkins, Reed, Mikell, Wynn K- Akers P- Johnson They have at least 34 players signed to multi-year deals, and that is with me not researching the backup OLine/other position extended deals. What you wrote makes no sense. you misread: what I mean is that the 2005 Eagles will have 34 players that will be FAs after the season(the 2005 season). Which is what the article from Pat Kirwin says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Oh No!!!! The Eagles are heading for CAP HELL!!!!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Akhhorus you misread: what I mean is that the 2005 Eagles will have 34 players that will be FAs after the season(the 2005 season). Which is what the article from Pat Kirwin says. That article was written in 2002, a lot has changed since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz That article was written in 2002, a lot has changed since then. yeah, like the Eagles signing TO and Kearse and Tra Thomas. That shouldnt effect the cap at all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Akhhorus yeah, like the Eagles signing TO and Kearse and Tra Thomas. That shouldnt effect the cap at all.... They have far more than 19 people signed for '06. That's the point. A Redskins fan questioning Eagles cap management. The irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Whoever is good at digging up sports articles from the archives, needs to find all the trash the sportswriters talked about how Smoot would look so average this season, and that he would be a lost lamb in the secondary without Bailey opposite his side. LOL....idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz They have far more than 19 people signed for '06. That's the point. A Redskins fan questioning Eagles cap management. The irony. For all the sh!t sportswriters try to give Snyder about his cap "mismanagement" I have yet to see all these tons and tons of players needing to be released in order to save cap space and in the process hurting out team. The most notorious cut we made thus far was probably Trotter, and well that seemed to work out just fine for us. A lot of the cap stuff has to do with how contracts are put together, not just the bottomline dollar amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 The Buzzards have been excellent managing the cap. They've done better then just about anyone, while remaining near the top. They can't be criticized in this area. If anyone is going to criticize them, it would only be in the area that they haven't done enough to sign star free agents to push them over the top. The exception being this year with Kearse and T.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz They have far more than 19 people signed for '06. That's the point. A Redskins fan questioning Eagles cap management. The irony. I've yet to see the cap hell the skins have been despite all the "massive" contracts Snyder hands out. In 2000, they said it was coming in 2002 and so on and so forth. Please tell me Eagles fan, when's it gonna happen, because it never seems to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Originally posted by NoCalMike For all the sh!t sportswriters try to give Snyder about his cap "mismanagement" I have yet to see all these tons and tons of players needing to be released in order to save cap space and in the process hurting out team. The most notorious cut we made thus far was probably Trotter, and well that seemed to work out just fine for us. A lot of the cap stuff has to do with how contracts are put together, not just the bottomline dollar amount. I agree with your point but cede the point that you have a situation on your hands concerning Samuels which is cap related and is very precarious at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The X-Factor Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 If we do offer Rock a qualifying offer (which I doubt), what would we get? I'm not sure anyone would give more than a 4th rounder, but if we can recoup more draft picks, it would be wise to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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