HeHateMe Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Interesting to see Porter tipping his hand so early (if he actually is). Sort of kills any bargaining power he would have if its true. As for Coughlin, can't say I'm surprised. http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/37181.htm THE COUGHLIN MUTINY By KEN PALMER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- December 26, 2004 -- YOU could see this coming a mile away. Even the Giants' 5-2 start couldn't mask the hostility between Tom Coughlin and his players. And now that the team is in the throes of a seven-game losing streak, some players are blasting away at a man they see as a dictator. Several Giants have told The Post that they "hate" playing for Coughlin and that the club will never be successful as long as he is in charge. "Guys absolutely hate Tom Coughlin," one Giant said. "He's not the type of coach we're going to go and put everything on the line for. Guys don't play for him; we play because we have to play and you're not going to win that way. "Arguments go on every day in that building, cursing out between the players and the coaches." "We will not win here when he's the coach," another veteran added. "It's coaches against the players. It's Coughlin against the coaches. There's no team atmosphere or camaraderie." Coughlin's obviously feeling the heat of a lengthy losing streak, so much so that he actually asked his players to "stick up for him" when dealing with the media. "He came into a meeting the other day and asked us to support him in the media," one veteran Giant said. "He asked everybody to stand by him and support him and say the right thing." Coughlin's players are growing more and more angry over his impersonal, oftentimes downright rude treatment of them on a daily basis. Coughlin called one of his starters a loser. He questioned one of his toughest player's toughness. Even Coughlin's coaches apparently can't stand him. Most coaches have privately expressed displeasure with how they're overworked by Coughlin. "These coaches can't wait to get out of here just like all of us," one veteran said. It's no secret that the organization wasn't thrilled with Coughlin's inability to assemble the coaching staff that he had promised. As for his mistreatment of the players, The Post has learned of several examples. A few weeks back, Coughlin referred to a starting player as "a loser" because he sat out practice with multiple injuries. Even after hearing from head trainer Ronnie Barnes that the player was to sit out practice, Coughlin asked that player if he planned to go that day. "[Coughlin] very well already knew [he] wasn't practicing," one player said. "When [the player] said he wasn't going to go [and told Coughlin why], Coughlin said, 'That's what happens when the season gets tough. Guys don't want to practice or do anything. I see the losers coming out right now. I see the losers.' " Earlier in the year, Coughlin told Barrett Green that he had brought him in because he was a tough guy, but that he wasn't impressed with his toughness in the least. Speaking of Green, it was Coughlin's overreaction to Green oversleeping during the bye week that really turned the whole team against him. Coughlin fined Green the absolute maximum - $17,000 - when he showed up 90 minutes late for a bye-week meeting. "That's when he really started to lose guys," one Giant said. Coughlin also recently berated one of his offensive linemen for a penalty that squelched a potential scoring drive. He told the lineman, "You cost me a touchdown." Coughlin didn't refer to the team, but himself instead. "He might be preaching 'team,' but it's all about Coughlin," one player said. "Honestly, everyone thinks the guy's crazy." Several Giants believe the damage is already done and that Coughlin's already lost control of the team - and has no hope of recovering it. "Honestly, they might as well fire him now," one player said of Coughlin, who has three years and $9 million left on his contract. "The players on this team have quit on him. That's a very strong word, but mark it down: this team has quit on him and quit really caring and quit listening to what Tom Coughlin has to say." "Most guys are just hoping that either they'll be gone or he'll be gone after this season," another Giant said. "Guys just tune him out, ignore him and don't care what he says. They just want to play the season out and get it over with." CHUCKY GETSBORED In the wake of Simeon Rice blasting Bucs coach Jon Gruden for the team's "undisciplined" ways, several Bucs have said that Gruden doesn't give it his all when prepping for a lesser opponent. "If we're getting ready to play a big, important game, he's on top of everything," one Buc said. "But if it's a supposedly easier team, he definitely lets up and doesn't pay nearly as close attention to detail." NEW PORTERHOUSE Speaking of the Bucs, it sure seems as if free-agent-to-be Jerry Porter already has his bags packed for Tampa. The Oakland receiver has told teammates that he plans to sign with the Bucs this offseason, while a Bucs source confirmed that the interest is mutual. JIM'SNOHAS-BEEN The rumors that Jim Haslett is going to be run out of New Orleans are just that. Haslett is expected back next season, not so much for his coaching ability as owner Tom Benson's desire to avoid paying dead money to Haslett and a departed staff, figures that would top $10 million. "He had to pay off [Mike] Ditka's staff [after 1999 season] and it drove him insane," a Saints source said. "Don't expect him to do it again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon_mikal Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 I was hoping we could pick up Porter. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Somewhere Champ Bailey just let out a huge sigh of relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDiplomat Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by ArmchairRedskin Somewhere Champ Bailey just let out a huge sigh of relief. :laugh: Just curious, but was Coughlin like this in Jacksonville, but didn't get the media attention he is getting now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 NOOO!!! i want jerry porter! man, guess we'll have to get mike williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miragv Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 we dont need another WR........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 I'm not a supporter of Tom Coughlin. I never was. And I hate the Giants. But doesn't it seem like some of those quotes might have been made up? Something just didn't click in that article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Man, the Giants are an absolute disaster area. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Jerry Porter is good, but he wants a massive contract. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by chiefhogskin48 Man, the Giants are an absolute disaster area. I love it. And they gave up 2-4 picks from this upcoming draft, including their #1! LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jempet Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Oh cry me a freakin river. These guys are paid the big bucks to perform. While I don't agree with the dictator's methods, the cry-babying by these grown up, rich, spoiled men, in effect saying "it's my ball and I'll just take it home" What a bunch of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 isn't the NY Post a tabloid type of paper, or am I thinking of something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carter23 Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by jimster isn't the NY Post a tabloid type of paper, or am I thinking of something else? yeah i just opened this thread up to say that.... ny post loves controversy... Peter Vescey writes for them! Take this with maybe 2 grains of salt. there may be some truth to this, but this is probably overblown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyZeb Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Reminds me of these wise words from Lenny P: "Last laugh? That other New York franchise, the one where players apparently aren't on-time for club meetings even when they are five minutes early (sort of), may have proven that there is nothing like a little chaos to get things going in the right direction. We are forever grateful to clever Giants coach Tom Coughlin and his team for luring Washington brass into the little-used ruse in which you try to convince an opponent that dissension runs rampant in the ranks (wink and, uh, double-wink)." http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73690 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddha Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Was Coughlin responsible for cutting Ryan Clark??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by Fred21Smoot :laugh: Just curious, but was Coughlin like this in Jacksonville, but didn't get the media attention he is getting now? Living in Daytona Beach, I heard a lot of storys about how he had lost the team years before he was let go. Nothing in this story suprises me. Diciplin is one thing but you have to be fair and treat your players like adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinned Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Jerry Porter has gone over 50 yards just 7 times this entire season. He is not worth picking up. He has 9 td's but he had 6 in 2 games and both were shootouts. He also had only 1 td through the first 10 games. I remember reading earlier this season on these same boards about how badly he sucked. I agree that we should pass. He is by no means an upgrade to Rod; he just happens to be playing on a team with no ground attack and an occasionally very hot Kerry Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 There were reports when he was in Jacksonville. Players filed reports with management about his practice style saying it was too tough. However when you win, as he did in Jacksonville (2 AFC title game appearances) this stuff tends to be swept under the rug a bit more. When you are 5-9 and in a major tailspin, its all out in the open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by Skinned Jerry Porter has gone over 50 yards just 7 times this entire season. He is not worth picking up. He has 9 td's but he had 6 in 2 games and both were shootouts. He also had only 1 td through the first 10 games. I remember reading earlier this season on these same boards about how badly he sucked. I agree that we should pass. He is by no means an upgrade to Rod; he just happens to be playing on a team with no ground attack and an occasionally very hot Kerry Collins. You're only focusing on the negative stats without looking at the bigger picture with Porter. He's on a horrible offensive team that only just recently began playing better football by protecting the QB. Not coincidentally, his stats have improved over that time too. Frankly, the same factors come into play with Gardner's stats this year. Still, I'm not convinced that Porter is an upgrade over Gardner. As I'm ambivalent between them, I'll take the one that costs less money. Coles is our #1 anyway, and I have a lot of confidence in Jacobs' abilities, so it's not the end of the world if we get neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 All I can think about reading that article is how glad I am that Gibbs is back. Brings back memories of Spurrier.:puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by Fred21Smoot :laugh: Just curious, but was Coughlin like this in Jacksonville, but didn't get the media attention he is getting now? Coughlin is a arrogant, spiteful, control freak in NY and he was an arrogant, spiteful, control freak in Jacksonville as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinned Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Originally posted by redman You're only focusing on the negative stats without looking at the bigger picture with Porter. He's on a horrible offensive team that only just recently began playing better football by protecting the QB. Not coincidentally, his stats have improved over that time too. Frankly, the same factors come into play with Gardner's stats this year. Still, I'm not convinced that Porter is an upgrade over Gardner. As I'm ambivalent between them, I'll take the one that costs less money. Coles is our #1 anyway, and I have a lot of confidence in Jacobs' abilities, so it's not the end of the world if we get neither. He is also on a team that has had no running game for the 2nd half the season and had Collins at QB. They needed to pass. He had one 2 great games and one was in the snow, although he was did abuse Champ many times I am not in favor of offering a decent WR contract to any of the FA's available, with the possible exception of Burress. Here is a list of free agent WR's: http://www.theredzone.org/2005/freeagents/showposition.asp?Position=WR Drew Haddad UFA Bills Cedric James ERFA Patriots David Givens RFA Patriots Kevin Kasper RFA Patriots David Patten UFA Patriots Kendall Newson ERFA Dolphins Freddie Milons RFA Ravens Travis Taylor UFA Ravens T.J. Houshmandzadeh UFA Bengals CJ Jones ERFA Browns Andra Davis RFA Browns Andre King UFA Browns Sean Morey ERFA Steelers Lee Mays RFA Steelers Plaxico Burress UFA Steelers JJ Moses ERFA Texans Corey Bradford UFA Texans Marvin Harrison UFA Colts Troy Walters UFA Colts Cortez Hankton RFA Jaguars Troy Edwards UFA Jaguars Lane Danielson ERFA Titans Todd DeVoe ERFA Titans Romar Crenshaw ERFA Broncos Ronald Curry ERFA Raiders Malcolm Floyd ERFA Chargers Bobby Shaw UFA Chargers Eddie Drummond RFA Lions Tai Streets UFA Lions Kelvin Kight UFA Packers Kelly Campbell RFA Vikings Ryan Hoag ERFA Vikings Aaron Hosack ERFA Vikings Mike Furrey ERFA Rams Dane Looker UFA Rams Reggie Newhouse ERFA Cardinals Nathan Poole RFA Cardinals Alex Bannister UFA Seahawks Cedrick Wilson RFA 49ers Curtis Conway UFA 49ers Antoine Burns ERFA Panthers Karl Hankton UFA Panthers Micah Ross UFA Panthers Talman Gardner ERFA Saints Derek McCoy ERFA Buccaneers DeAndrew Rubin ERFA Buccaneers Edell Shepherd RFA Buccaneers Tim Brown UFA Buccaneers Joey Galloway UFA Buccaneers Charles Lee UFA Buccaneers Frank Murphy UFA Buccaneers Bill Schroeder UFA Buccaneers Tom Crowder ERFA Cowboys Dedric Ward UFA Cowboys Willie Ponder ERFA Giants James Thrash UFA Redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinned Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Note to above post: Marvin Harrison is also on the list but there is no way, so we will not go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Originally posted by Skinned Note to above post: Marvin Harrison is also on the list but there is no way, so we will not go there Marvin Harrison was resigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsForLife260 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Giants=Divison Rival Divisonal Rival= Hate them and we need them to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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