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Eagles_Legendz

Eagles_Legendz

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Originally posted by f_dallas

Ah, classic Bubba. The only way he knows he to say "I know I'm dead wrong".

He quotes someone else and instead of answering what he has quoted, he deflects the criticism onto another subject.

So that's what he was saying? I was a bit confused since he didn't even refer to the part of my post that he quoted.

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bubba9497

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Originally posted by f_dallas

Ah, classic Bubba. The only way he knows he to say "I know I'm dead wrong".

He quotes someone else and instead of answering what he has quoted, he deflects the criticism onto another subject.

oh please, :laugh:

Classic f-dallas attacking me instead debating the facts or my opinions.

we will see soon enough who is "dead wrong"

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lions upset the Eagles Sunday.

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phanatic

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Eagle fans believe what you want, ignore the obvious, think I am just making things up

again I am not hating, just pointing out legitimate concerns if I was (god forbid) an eagle fan.

Here are some facts to chew on, and I won't bring up the subject again in this thread.

Nobody ever said you were hating, just ignoring the FACTS which you seem to forgot (the positives which FAR outweigh the negatives).

So far in regular season the eagle D

#31 overall

#22 against the run

#18 against the pass

Let's take a look at this, shall we?

The Eagles have played the Giants and Minnesota, two top ten NFL offenses last year and rank second and eleventh this season.

Also consider that, by your accounts, we are working in two "new" corners into the system as well as other new starters at DE (Kearse) and Dhani Jones at OLB. They too will improve as the year rolls on. The question should be, how many points did this unit give up and how many garbage yards and points were relinquished? Again, you fail to see these numbers for what they are.

Something to think about

The Vikings self destructed on MNF, they had 1 TD drive stopped with a fumble on the goal line, 2 others had TD removed from scoreboard with penalties resulting in only 1 fg. The Vikes score on 3 pts. instead of 21 on those drives. And the it wasn't all because of the eagle defense, but mainly their own blunders.

I love the way you consider good goal line defense to be "self-destruction" I'm sure Culpepper threw the ball on the ground all by himself. What about Michael Lewis dropping that Culpepper pick that would have gone for six? Of course, this doesn't serve itself in your argument so you refuse to add these into the overall appraisal.

The Philly offense hasn't played against a good defense yet to truly be tested.

NY Giants #28 ranked defense

Vikings #26 ranked defense

also both games were played in Philly

I guess those defensive rankings have nothing to do with their opponents so far thise season? Of course not. The Eagles never enjoyed such success against the Giants, regardless of their defense. That alone should be telling. As far as the HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE?

The Eagles road record over the last three years has been as follows:7-1,5-3,7-1.

A fail to see your point here as well.

another thing to think about

TO had 4 catches for 79 yards take away the 45 yard TD non catch, and he had only 3 rec. for 34 yards against a porous Viking Defense. (#26 against the pass)

Brilliant! And if both of the Tambay Bay corners didn't cheat the right side (getting out of position)on the CP run, then he has an average day, AT BEST. Isn't this fun?

The Philly offense is built around McNabb/TO/and Westbrook... if one goes down or has a slump... the eagles offense would be in serious trouble

Just like before when McNabb went down and they managed to win all five of those games he was absent. Aren't you tired of these doomsday theories yet?

I will bet a dollar to a donut that Andy Reid is very concerned about the defense, and the fact the offense has been really tested yet.

Judging from you stellar NFL predictions, I would hold off on that bet.

wrong angle .... besides penalties are not re-viewable possession of receptions are re-viewable

Sure, penalties are not reviewable, but since we're living in the never-never world of Bubba's what if's, we then, by your logic, are forced to assume that the play would have been first and goal on the four from the pass interference that SHOULD HAVE been called.

Every team has there weaknesses I'm just tired of the same old crap spewed about the birds defense. It is better than it was last season and they made the NFCCG. The offense is now a top five unit. I'll stick by my 13-3 prediction while I'm sure you'll stand by your 9-7. Right?

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I think the division all things considered is a lot closer than people want to admit, which is typical NFC East football. There won't be any gimme games in the division just as the Giants proved last week. We can't kill ourselves and hope to win football games and need to be in top form especially playing division rivals

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f_dallas

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we will see soon enough you is "dead wrong"

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lions upset the Eagles Sunday

Another perfect example- we are discussing things right now that have already happened. There is no "we'll see".

Whether or not the Lions upset the Eagles is an entirely seperate issue. This is a classic "trap" type game and an upset is possible.

As for you "not being surprised" if the Birds are upset, whay am I not surprised you feel that way?? :laugh:

In that spirit, I won't be surprised if the Redskins lose on Monday.

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Eagles_Legendz

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Originally posted by bubba9497

oh please, :laugh:

Classic f-dallas attacking me instead debating the facts or my opinions.

we will see soon enough who is "dead wrong"

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lions upset the Eagles Sunday.

Well, considering you picked the Giants and Vikings to win as well, color me not suprised. I'll be shocked the day you think the Eagles WILL win a game.

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f_dallas

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Aikman Efficiency Ratings?

Take a picture, because I agree with Bubba.

That said, you also know for a fact that the amount of yardage you give up does not equal a good or bad defense by itself.

It all boils down to points and how you stop them. If the Birds give up 400 yards every game and average giving up 15 points per game, I will take that from not to enternity.

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bubba9497

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Originally posted by phanatic

Nonsense, simple nonsense. Yards matter, not points!

considering the Viking took away a possible 18 pts from their own total.... yep nonsense is right.

again I will make this very simple.

I am not stirring up the eagle fans.

My opinion are MY opinions. based on what I saw monday night. you disagree fine.

I pointed out facts that are facts.. I am not twisting or distorting anything.

Save every thread you want. If I am proofed wrong I will admit it (unlike many who won't)... just remember to bring up the threads were I am right as well ;)

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I'll go on record by saying the Eagles look downright scary to me with TO on offence and Westbrook running well. I don't care about the statistics at this point due to not a large enough "n" - ie, sample size too small. Same reason our #1 D isn't making me do cartwheels quite yet either.

Truth is, we'll have to see over about 5 or so games how things pan out. Eagles WILL NOT go 16-0 as Westbrook36 stated on one thread, but I think at this point the Skins will be lucky to grab one of the two games vs. Philly this year.

Our team is basically starting from scratch with tons of new personell and a new system. There needs to be a transition year and this is it. Once the Gibbs honeymoon euphoria wears off, hopefully an 8-8 season won't be regarded as a disappointment in this light.

The Eagles, on the other hand, have continuity and stability on thier side. Therefore, the addition of new talents such as TO and Kearse mean so much more in the immediate future. The window is now for Philly. I see the Skins in a year or two. More than anything, I hope we can form a stable semblance of "team" around Washington over the next several years.

Sorry for the rant.

HTTR:cheers:

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bubba9497

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Originally posted by f_dallas

Take a picture, because I agree with Bubba.

That said, you also know for a fact that the amount of yardage you give up does not equal a good or bad defense by itself.

It all boils down to points and how you stop them. If the Birds give up 400 yards every game and average giving up 15 points per game, I will take that from not to enternity.

:thud:

hey I am not the eagles fans enemy.. I like to debate when I feel I have a legitamite point.. whether it be against the eagles, the Giants.. even other Redskin fans

I have had several "battles" on this board about Redskin players and Spurrier..when I took the unpopular viewpoint. I was right a good part of the time... but I was wrong some as well.

I have apologized to jbooma, inmate, and westbrook36 for being wrong.... that should tell you something about my character :laugh:

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phanatic

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Originally posted by bubba9497

considering the Viking took away a possible 18 pts from their own total.... yep nonsense is right.

again I will make this very simple.

I am not stirring up the eagle fans.

My opinion are MY opinions. based on what I saw monday night. you disagree fine.

I pointed out facts that are facts.. I am not twisting or distorting anything.

Save every thread you want. If I am proofed wrong I will admit it (unlike many who won't)... just remember to bring up the threads were I am right as well ;)

I never said you twisted or distorted anything. That would require you to change factual information such as statistics. You do however, fail to INCLUDE pertenant information in your analysis to further make your point. That's not distortion, it's augmentation by design.

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bubba9497

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Originally posted by f_dallas

Bubba, your opinions are your own and you are entitled to them, but when your opinions are proven to be wrong, they are wrong.

I can have an opinion that the world is flat- and I'm entield to that opinion- but that doesn't make it true.

but so far there has been nothing proving me wrong. When there is I will admit it, but if I am right.... ;)

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Also, as I stated in another thresd here, I do not enjoy watching the Iglles defense layoff of the opposition. JJ has been known to do this against the Giants. He doesn't like the idea of getting beat deep. Same philosophy was employed against the Vikings and their deep threat capabilities in Moss. This week I'm sure he'll return to his blitzing ways. The Lions have quality receivers but they're young and are not of the caliber of Hilliard, Toomer and Moss, yet.

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