bubba9497 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz The Vikings controlling the clock is meaningless in turns of the production of the Eagles offense. Your second statement makes little sense. Isn't that essentially what Philadelphia did? And there aren't going to be many, if any, "mistake free" offenses in the league. I'd wager that Minnesota's O is going to be as good as it gets this year. you are living a dream. Good teams are not going to kill three td drives in the red zone like the Vikes did last night. There is no way you can honestly say that you are not a little worried about the defense. The Vikes didn't even try to run the ball last night, and still moved at will on the eagles. I am not hating, just being honest. The eagles have holes... potentially big ones, and it may not be the glory fest everyone thinks right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHUBAKAH Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by bubba9497 I am not hating, just being honest. The eagles have holes... potentially big ones, and it may not be the glory fest everyone thinks right now. Agreed, not to mention------>:eaglesuck :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocono Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Geeze Bubba even the guys on the Vikes MB admit Winfield hit Owens early and there should have been PI. I thought Culpepper and his receivers played an amazing game. He was accurate and there were no drops of consequence and there were 5 or 6 times Culpepper was hit and avoided a sack almost any other QB would have suffered. The Eagles were getting great pressure with just their front four which will allow them to play many different D's in the future. The Eagles are the only NFL team at this point to win both games by double digits and they still haven't played their best football. If it makes you feel better to say if this hadn't happened it would be a different game but suppose the Eagles had recovered all three fumbles they forced and what if Lewis had intercepted Culpepper's one ill-advised pass? Would the game have then been a blow-out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 EAGLES DEFENSE RANKED #31 in NFL nuff' said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by Pocono Geeze Bubba even the guys on the Vikes MB admit Winfield hit Owens early and there should have been PI. I thought Culpepper and his receivers played an amazing game. He was accurate and there were no drops of consequence and there were 5 or 6 times Culpepper was hit and avoided a sack almost any other QB would have suffered. The Eagles were getting great pressure with just their front four which will allow them to play many different D's in the future. The Eagles are the only NFL team at this point to win both games by double digits and they still haven't played their best football. If it makes you feel better to say if this hadn't happened it would be a different game but suppose the Eagles had recovered all three fumbles they forced and what if Lewis had intercepted Culpepper's one ill-advised pass? Would the game have then been a blow-out? Eagle fans love to point out flaws in the Redskins, but sure hate when we return the favor. The eagles played against 2 terrible defenses both in the bottom 10 in the league. they ranked #31. if it makes you feel better to play "what if" fine....but there is a huge difference in our scenarios. Mine actually happened but the refs viewed it differently. get mad, I'm am just being real... the eagles have holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Once again..no denying..the eagles are the team to beat in the nfc east, very impressive...not unbeatable...but look darn good. They are good in alot of areas..but to me the key is the QB, McNabb. Same with the vikings...they made alot of mistakes that cost them..but Culpepper(cept for his fumble average *lol* ) both are awesome... Many harp on McNabb throwing the ball low or into the turf as a bad thing...well Id rather it go there and be uncatchable, than hang in the air...or thrown in dangerous areas where it can be picked off. If the skins had a solid/playmaker at QB we'd be pretty damned good I think. They(McNabb and Culpepper) both can throw the ball a ton...make good decisions..and are tough/strong and athletic/physical enough to avoid sacks in alot of situations. But like Parcells said..u cant dial in a QB *lol*..good to great QB's are just hard to come by. some teams like the Ravens in the past got by on a great running game..and a QB that didnt make too many mistakes to cost them..and a great D. The Skins appear to have a solid D so far, the running game will get better as the Oline gains cohesion..and Portis..well he's a beast.....I just wish the QB play was better, I guess one of the two or 3 will get going eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 Quite honestly, as in the past, the key will be to stop McNabb from converting third downs, whether it be with his arm or his legs. The point I'm making in this thread, is that aquiring TO makes it that much more difficult to stop McNabb. I've always been scared of that guy and now he just has another weapon. I think we will stuff the run when it comes to the Eagles' running backs. But McNabb, as you saw in Monday's game, has the ability to become ANOTHER rb to contain. I like our chances in that our defense looks to be finally playing up to their potential. Again, this will be a game in which our offense AND defense will have to be near perfect in order to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 The eagles played against 2 terrible defenses both in the bottom 10 in the league. they ranked #31. True, but one of those terrible defenses ran the Redskins O in circles while forcing 7 turnovers. Every teams has flaws and the Eagles have flaws too, but I still believe the Eagles have less holes than any team in the NFC. Bubba, you can make it sound as though the Eagles stole one from the Vikes all you like, but they led the game from the first time the offense touched the ball until the ending whistle and the Vikes were a chic pick to emerge as the best team in the NFC. What else do you want? For every play you claim the Vikes got hosed on, I have one they got away with, so spare me the "ifs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matador36 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 if anyone can stop the eagles is Greg Williams, he specializes on stopping west coast offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 if anyone can stop the eagles is Greg Williams, he specializes on stopping west coast offense. Huh? That could be true, but I've never heard of anyone specializing in stopping the WCO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by bubba9497 you are living a dream. Good teams are not going to kill three td drives in the red zone like the Vikes did last night. There is no way you can honestly say that you are not a little worried about the defense. The Vikes didn't even try to run the ball last night, and still moved at will on the eagles. I am not hating, just being honest. The eagles have holes... potentially big ones, and it may not be the glory fest everyone thinks right now. I'm talking about the offense and you immediately turned it into a conversation about why their D is susceptible. You said their O didn't score at will, I said they punted once, and then you talked about the Vikings O. Doesn't make much sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matador36 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by f_dallas Huh? That could be true, but I've never heard of anyone specializing in stopping the WCO. Asked about the consistent pressure imposed by a Washington front seven that, outside of weak-side 'backer LaVar Arrington and strong-side partner Marcus Washington is hardly well regarded league wide, Williams noted: "I think I know West Coast (offensive) teams pretty well, and know their protections, where they might be (vulnerable). You want to force them to make choices, because they can't block everybody, you know?" http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72489&highlight=greg+williams+west+coast :wewantd: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Asked about the consistent pressure imposed by a Washington front seven that, outside of weak-side 'backer LaVar Arrington and strong-side partner Marcus Washington is hardly well regarded league wide, Williams noted: "I think I know West Coast (offensive) teams pretty well, and know their protections, where they might be (vulnerable). You want to force them to make choices, because they can't block everybody, you know?" He was asked that question in relation to how he played against the Bucs- a WCO team. I didn't take it as his specialty, just saying "I think I know that offesne pretty well and we attcked by...". Sounds like the same thing he woulkd say for any offense, but just so happens that the Bucs offense has a name. At any rate, He'll get ample opporutnity to play against the WCO this year, so I guess we'll find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNabbOwnsFedEx Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz And the corner was hanging on his leg, but that's besides the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by McNabbOwnsFedEx Don't show Bubba that picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleSteve Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz Don't show Bubba that picture Nothing to see here, move along. Eagles still ranked #31 in defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz Don't show Bubba that picture! wrong angle .... besides penalties are not re-viewable possession of receptions are re-viewable Eagle fans believe what you want, ignore the obvious, think I am just making things up again I am not hating, just pointing out legitimate concerns if I was (god forbid) an eagle fan. Here are some facts to chew on, and I won't bring up the subject again in this thread. Some eagle facts Preseason defense (I know I know) #15 overall #30 against the run So far in regular season the eagle D #31 overall #22 against the run #18 against the pass Something to think about The Vikings self destructed on MNF, they had 1 TD drive stopped with a fumble on the goal line, 2 others had TD removed from scoreboard with penalties resulting in only 1 fg. The Vikes score on 3 pts. instead of 21 on those drives. And the it wasn't all because of the eagle defense, but mainly their own blunders. The Philly offense hasn't played against a good defense yet to truly be tested. NY Giants #28 ranked defense Vikings #26 ranked defense also both games were played in Philly another thing to think about TO had 4 catches for 79 yards take away the 45 yard TD non catch, and he had only 3 rec. for 34 yards against a porous Viking Defense. (#26 against the pass) my own theory not facts The Philly offense is built around McNabb/TO/and Westbrook... if one goes down or has a slump... the eagles offense would be in serious trouble I will bet a dollar to a donut that Andy Reid is very concerned about the defense, and the fact the offense has been really tested yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by bubba9497 wrong angle .... besides penalties are not re-viewable possession of receptions are re-viewable Eagle fans believe what you want, ignore the obvious, think I am just making things up again I am not hating, just pointing out legitimate concerns if I was (god forbid) an eagle fan. Here are some facts to chew on, and I won't bring up the subject again in this thread. Some eagle facts Preseason defense (I know I know) #15 overall #30 against the run So far in regular season the eagle D #31 overall #22 against the run #18 against the pass Something to think about The Vikings self destructed on MNF, they had 1 TD drive stopped with a fumble on the goal line, 2 others had TD removed from scoreboard with penalties resulting in only 1 fg. The Vikes score on 3 pts. instead of 21 on those drives. And the it wasn't all because of the eagle defense, but mainly their own blunders. The Philly offense hasn't played against a good defense yet to truly be tested. NY Giants #28 ranked defense Vikings #26 ranked defense also both games were played in Philly another thing to think about TO had 4 catches for 79 yards take away the 45 yard TD non catch, and he had only 3 rec. for 34 yards against a porous Viking Defense. (#26 against the pass) my own theory not facts The Philly offense is built around McNabb/TO/and Westbrook... if one goes down or has a slump... the eagles offense would be in serious trouble I will bet a dollar to a donut that Andy Reid is very concerned about the defense, and the fact the offense has been really tested yet. I find it funny that people think the Vikings got jobbed by the refs and then simply ignore some "facts" as you put it. Bubba, you can throw all the statistics that you want at me. After two games, statistics don't concern me. Come get me after week 10. Defensive statistics are obviously going to be inflated (teams the Eagles played) because the Eagles played them- if that makes any sense. You can't judge the Giants or Vikings D based on their rankings now, because since the Eagles were successful against them, the rating will be inflated. You only have one other test sample at this point. And, additionally, I'm not sure why you seem so willing to go out of your way to prove the Eagles shortcomings. I don't see any one here (save perhaps Westbrook, who is gone now anyway), that thinks the Eagles are infallible. No one is flaunting the Eagles. This topic wasn't even made by an Eagles fan. We all know what the concerns are. However, even taking the concerns into consideration, the Eagles are still the best team in the East, and are probably the best team in the NFC right now (whether that gets them to and past the NFC Championship game I know not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Buuba, you are out of your mind. If you could state your side of the story WITHOUT treating obvious facts, stats, images, and video with dismissiveness, you might not even be considered a joke when you put toghether these posts. All of what you are saying is not incorrect, but you continue to B.S. with the "Vikings lost the game", "refs gave it to them" crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by f_dallas Buuba, you are out of your mind. If you could state your side of the story WITHOUT treating obvious facts, stats, images, and video with dismissiveness, you might not even be considered a joke when you put toghether these posts. All of what you are saying is not incorrect, but you continue to B.S. with the "Vikings lost the game", "refs gave it to them" crap... whatever fine by me.... I am only pointing out facts, or do you want to here that everything is perfect and the Eagles are the greatest team ever BS. Funny how it is when eagles fans come and point out stats and facts about the skins, that is just them being real.... but when anyone points out facts against the eagles....well that is a different story. :laugh: I am not going on an eagle board starting trouble. Believe what ever you want....wear them eagle colored glasses, and drink the kool aid. Doesn't change the facts... and the season will play out proving me right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz I find it funny that people think the Vikings got jobbed by the refs and then simply ignore some "facts" as you put it. I am not ignoring anything, people think the Vikes got jobbed because they watched the game and many non-eaglefans saw something that eagles fans didn't... take it or leave it just an opinion And, additionally, I'm not sure why you seem so willing to go out of your way to prove the Eagles shortcomings. I don't see any one here (save perhaps Westbrook, who is gone now anyway), that thinks the Eagles are infallible. No one is flaunting the Eagles. This topic wasn't even made by an Eagles fan. We all know what the concerns are. However, even taking the concerns into consideration, the Eagles are still the best team in the East, and are probably the best team in the NFC right now (whether that gets them to and past the NFC Championship game I know not). you mean like what eagle fans do in just about every thread here that is positive about the Redskins?????? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwall-2 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 The way the Redskins played Sunday against the Giants I don't think we're in the position to underestimate anybody,including the Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Wrong again, Bubba- but why does that surpise me. Read our posts- we agree with the facts you point out. We DON'T agree with your impressions you state as fact. I could almost set my watch to your posts- every single one so predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 you mean like what eagle fans do in just about every thread here that is positive about the Redskins?????? Ah, classic Bubba. The only way he knows he to say "I know I'm dead wrong". He quotes someone else and instead of answering what he has quoted, he deflects the criticism onto another subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Originally posted by bubba9497 I am not ignoring anything, people think the Vikes got jobbed because they watched the game and many non-eaglefans saw something that eagles fans didn't... take it or leave it just an opinion you mean like what eagle fans do in just about every thread here that is positive about the Redskins?????? :laugh: Owens got tackled before the ball got to him, and they should have recovered a fumble in the 1st half that they weren't awarded. Additionally, the holding call on Birk was legit, whether you admit it or not (go get a still frame if you'd like). The Vikings hardly got screwed. I don't even know what your second response is in reference to. You keep referring to Eagles fans not taking criticism and Eagles fans only thinking that Philly is the best, but I don't see any of that here. I see that as you trying to play off stereotypes and talking to a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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