Skins26 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Watched the game again, and recorded all the passing plays he was in on, here goes: 1st play: Ramsey is sacked, it was a playaction play that the Giants didnt buy for a second, not his fault at all, he never stood a chance, he did a good job just holding onto it. 2nd play: WR Screen to Coles complete for 9 yards. 3rd: Rollout to left, throws deep ball to Gardner down the left sideline, good throw to recognize the tight coverage and purposely underthrow it, Gardner made a nice adjustment and came back to get it but his foot was just out of bounds, all and all a good idea. Result: incompletion 4th: BIG 3rd and 12 play. 7 step drop, hit his 7th step, planted, hopped and fired, nice work, that shows how much he's improved, he got the ball out on time. Result- hit Portis in the numbers for would-be 15 yard gain and first down, however it was dropped-incompletion. 5th: Rollout to the right, set up quickly and fired, another sign that he is getting this getting rid of the ball thing down. Result- 51 yard pass to Gardner (nice catch). Good read to see the single coverage and that Gardner had a step on him. 6th: 5 step drop, hit 5th step, popped up, set and fired, once again beautiful footwork and decisiveness. Result - 5 yard pass to Coles. 7th: Nice quick read and good anticipation on this one to see who was going to become open, got rid of it quickly and fired a strike to Gardner. Result- hit Gardner in both hands, dropped TD. Take note folks, on Ramsey's first real drive in the game (first one Portis fumbled) he would have led us to a TD if Gardner wasnt so shaky. 8th: Went to throw to corner of endzone where Coles was open, good read, but he had to double clutch due to pressure and he threw it too late and not far enough into the corner he should have just tried to run for it or something. Result- INT 9th: WR screen to Coles for 2 yards 10th: Nice checkdown to Portis, however it didnt count due to a Rod Gardner not paying attention penalty. I think Gardner has ADD, they should check that out and get him some aderol. 11th: Ramsey blitzed, 7 step drop, hit 7th step, then stepped up and pocket, showing good awareness took off up the field, very smart play. Result- 18 yard gain + facemask penalty. 12th: Ramsey blitzed again, 5 step drop, Ramsey pops and fires from his 5th step. Result - Strike to Coles, good job getting rid of it, also good blitz pickup by line/backs - 15 yards 13th: Wow, 15 yard TD pass to Portis. Not many people can make this throw, it was ridiculous. Seriously what a play by Ramsey and what a catch by Portis. Whoa. 14th: Rollout left, deep ball down left sideline to Gardner, close but just a bit too far, good read though he had Gardner on a safety. - Pass interference called. 15th: Another 7 step drop, Ramsey once again does a great job of hitting that last step and firing it, really looks good to me. But the ball is batted at the line. 16th: HUGE 3rd and 9 play: Rollout right, sets and fires strike to tightly covered Gardner (Gardner catches!!!). His arm strength really came in handy there, Brunell could not have fit that in. 17th: INT- Coles faked the out and went to cut back in however Peterson was sneaky and held Coles's arm so he couldnt get back in. So it went right to the Giant. Note this INT was not Ramsey's fault. 18th: Fumbled snap- Friedman's fault. 19th: 7 step drop, once again right on time from Ramsey- good pass and catch to Coles, nice block from Portis- gain of about 20 20th: Ramsey flushed out right- worst pass i've ever seen him throw, I dont know what he was doing but he even said in an interview that it was just stupid, this is uncharacteristic of him if you ask me, he is usually pretty good at not making stupid turnovers if you ask me. Goes right to Giants guy-INT should have just thrown it away or Portis was open right in front of him, just a bad play, everyone has them. 21st: Sack- he stepped up in the pocket and did everything he could, just got swarmed around and nobody appeared to be open but I couldnt tell b/c the TV view. 22nd: Nice pass while under great pressure, nice to see him use some touch b/c he usually just fires it, its good to see that he was working on his touch passes- however it was dropped by Coles, would have been a first down and then some. 23rd: Blitz, nice job avoiding pressure and good pass to Coles for 12 yards. 24th: 4th and 4- nothing really was open, was forced to fire one to Portis- incomplete 25th: he was sacked but just throw this out b/c it was a hail mary. Notes: Ramsey has really come a long way IMHO, he had the 3 bad plays but folks the signs are here. He is awfully close to breaking out I think. This to me looked like the 5th loss of the Marty year, where showed the signs of breaking out, and the next game we did. He has really improved in every aspect, trust me he looked sharp except for the bad decision but again that really could just be from not getting reps, also remember he's trying to unlearn some things Spurrier taught him like always looking deep and not just taking what the defense gives you. He needs to throw to RB's and TE's more, he focus's too much on the WR's, I think that is Spurrier's doing. I think he's coming along nicely. Other Notes: You wanna see how hard Sean Taylor can hit!?!?! If you tape the game pop it in, go to the kickoff after our first TD and watch the wedge the Giants form. If you wanna look closer I believe its the 2nd guy closest to the camera in the wedge. Taylor just absolutely tees off on this guy, its awesome. Keep in mind too this is a guy that can see this coming and is bracing for it, yet he still got destroyed, it is sweet. And the defense really did great late in the game. The Giants were tricky and did some play action late when we thought they would just run it to run the clock down, but we were ready. You would never see that last year, great job D. The Giants are not a good team. We made those mistakes by ourselves it wouldnt matter who we were playing yesterday it just didnt work. And the fact that it was that close was pathetic on the Giants part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Yeah like I said over and over, Ramsey is still young and inexperienced, thus mistakes are going to happen, but damn if he isn't showing the signs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Ramsey will do well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Good post Skins26. I'll repeat what I said elsewhere, and this breakdown bears it out. There was a lot to like about his performance yesterday. He showed confidence and less of the hesitation and uncertainty he seemed to have during the preseason competition. He's smart and will learn to protect the ball and to throw the thing away if need be. If he's the guy Monday night, he'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neophyte Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Nice work on the breakdown. Time for me to get TIVO or a VCR that works so I can study this stuf. I'm jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkowi Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Excellent post. Good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Originally posted by Dan T. Good post Skins26. I'll repeat what I said elsewhere, and this breakdown bears it out. There was a lot to like about his performance yesterday. He showed confidence and less of the hesitation and uncertainty he seemed to have during the preseason competition. He's smart and will learn to protect the ball and to throw the thing away if need be. If he's the guy Monday night, he'll be fine. I said it yesterday. You could see a huge difference in how effectively we could spread the field and take advantage of our WR speed with Ramsey in there. Ghost preached all last week that Brunell's lack of 'zip' and power on the ball limited the offense's effectiveness. I think that was glaringly evident in the Giant's game. That being said, games are won/lost on a handful of plays, and he's got to be more disciplined. I'll be there Monday night, and I hope like hell he is. I'd love to see him get back to the form he showed in last year's Monday night win against the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzlightbeer81 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 can tell ur a ramsey lover man, im sure i could make those plays reflect my dislike for the guy's playing the same way it reflects ur bias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumar11 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 great post... I agree, Ramsey is going to be ready and the bad press he has gotten regarding this game is not accurate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 buzzlightsmear81 will be here momentarily to tell us how you're stupid, Skins26. Of course, I like your breakdown. EDIT: Buzzlightsmear81 chimed in BEFORE I did. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 He'll get there. I thought he showed excellent pocket awareness, and he didn't seem gun shy at all. Game time decision making will only improve if he get's playing time. No matter how long he watches, he's gonna make some of these mistakes. If Gardner makes that TD catch, we win the game and he never throws that last int. We'd stop the Giants on the next series and then run it out. Ramse would then be a super hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Tell ya what buzzlightbeer81, let's do this. In the spirit of fair play and to make sure that this about taking a hard look at the player in question, what say you go ahead and "make those plays reflect my dislike for the guy's playing the same way it reflects ur bias". Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted September 21, 2004 Author Share Posted September 21, 2004 I really think he allows our offense to be more explosive. When Brunell was in the game you could just see that on 3rd and long we werent even coming close or even trying to pick them up. With Ramsey in there we were picking up 3rd and 12 or even I think there might have been a 3rd and 15. And the INT's didnt come on those so it wasnt just him being to risky either, it was his arm strength. Its not like he's a stupid kid who doesnt work hard, thats why I think the mental part is going to come around, he's smart and he works hard. And he is showing the signs of getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJredskins00 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 He will do well with a week of preparation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mann71 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Hey, thanks for this breakdown...I haven't seen the game yet, have to wait for the mail on Friday for the disc but it gives me a bit more motivation to watch;) :wewantd: :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted September 21, 2004 Author Share Posted September 21, 2004 can tell ur a ramsey lover man, im sure i could make those plays reflect my dislike for the guy's playing the same way it reflects ur bias I dont think there is much you could do other than make the INT's out to be worse than they really were, make them sound like they are something wrong with him that he cant fix, instead of what they really are and thats just mistakes. There is nothing bad you can make out of completing passes and if nobody had dropped any passes Ramsey would have been somewhere around 13-18 with 2 TD's and 2 INT's and we would have won the game most likely. And if the officials call the hold on Coles he would have most likely been 14-18 with 2TD's (possibly more b/c we would have been at like the 15) and 1 INT. Now granted that is a lot of what if's but, my point is just that he looks real close to really start reaching his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 PCS...that's what I was thinking also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Regardless of how we think he played yesterday, next Monday is his time. He doesnt have to shine to put on good a performance. Just dont lose us the ball game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet daddy Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Great post skins26...I agree...I thought Ramsey had a great game..the little girls just couldn't catch the ball...(I will continue to refer to the recievers as girls untill they show some toughness)...and hey by the way if Ramsey starts I would love it if you would do the same recap next Tuesday..Thanks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzlightbeer81 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 well on the long pass downfield, its rare anyone on our team catches that ball, it was over thrown, on the gardner near td pass it was a little high but certainly catchable, so fine, not ramsey, but then he throws a pick into double covwerage, no excuses, it wasnt close. The pass to portis was more an amazing catch then anyhting else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Montana Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Originally posted by Skins26 10th: Nice checkdown to Portis, however it didnt count due to a Rod Gardner not paying attention penalty. I think Gardner has ADD, they should check that out and get him some aderol. :laugh: :laugh: Nice call on 50/50. Too funny. Solid post man. I think you're on point with that breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Nice to see someone putting in the hard work to quantify their opinions skins26 , whether one agrees point-for-point or not. I do get nervous reading the thread title though...'Complete Ramsey Breakdown....', man, thats just bad juju ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Okay buzzlightbeer81, that'll kind of work. However, you really didn't say anything that skin26 hadn't already. Just a little differently, though certainly the 'tude behind the post reveals a dislike for Ramsey's play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzlightbeer81 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 i dont mean to cop sucha tude, i just dont get the ramsey love, i feel its just cause hes a redskin, and i firmly believe that u dont have to love everyone on the team to be a die hard skins fan, i love the skins with all i got, but i just dont see it in ramsey to take us anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted September 21, 2004 Author Share Posted September 21, 2004 well on the long pass downfield, its rare anyone on our team catches that ball, it was over thrown, on the gardner near td pass it was a little high but certainly catchable, so fine, not ramsey, but then he throws a pick into double covwerage, no excuses, it wasnt close. The pass to portis was more an amazing catch then anyhting else. Well believe it or not Gardner actually usually is very good at catching those deep balls that are lobbed up to him, maybe thats why everyone said he had good hands coming out of college, they just through jump balls to him, he's really good at that, he's a pretty good deep threat, he's been close before to making catches like that last year. And the adjustment he made on the earlier one was nice he was just a tad out of bounds, the pass was overthrown, but Ramsey put it in a place where Gardner could make a play on it, Brunell was underthrowing those, or just not throwing them at all, giving our guys no chance. When Gardner had a step he led him, when it was tight he through it behind which is what your supposed to to do. Very nice work if you ask me on the deep balls by Ramsey. Gardner just cant catch the hard thrown passes, he's awesome at the lobbed deep balls, anyone remember his rookie year against the Panthers, he had a few amazing catches on deep balls and 105 yards receiving. And your right, there was no excuse for that pass into double coverage, that was just plain out stupid, but again he doesnt usually do that. Last year I cant remember a time when he just threw one up into double coverage. That was dumb. And that was a nice catch by Portis, but the pass was great. He took a shot right after he released it too. He put it in an area where only Portis could get it, and he allowed Portis to go up and make a play on it. Our WR's and RB's are so athletic if you put a ball up there where they can make a play on it, usually they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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