Redskins Hype paper-thin

[Om]

Hey booze ... about that whole "you guys overreact to Dallas stuff more than we do to Redskins stuff"?

Gimme a break.

The funny part of your latest rabble rousing run is that I know, in your heart of hearts, this time you don't really believe your own brave talk about coming in here and taking on Joe Gibbs. I know it ... and so do you.

But please do keep trying to sell it.

It's gonna make the conversations after so much more enjoyable.

[Ancalagon the Black]

Bottomline is, that the Redskin faithful obsess about the Cowboys, their sportswriters and their fans...far more than we do about about them.

An interesting comment coming from a Cowboys fan who frequents a Redskins site.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Originally posted by boozeman3

I gotta tell ya, that was an inflammatory article.

This Williams chick outta be strung up...

Bottomline is, that the Redskin faithful obsess about the Cowboys, their sportswriters and their fans...far more than we do about about them.

Our sportswriters...and you can quote me...are perhaps some of the dullest in the NFL contingent. As for the fans, for every ignorant shat kickin' redneck from South Texas, you might find another who is not from the state and can speak in more than monosyllabic sentences. It is all relative. I don't classify Redskin fans, and neither should you.

But the anger exists. And it is the result of the grief of loss and alot of fabrication.

I understand the mentality, decades of getting your butt handed to you will do that.

And now, everyone wants to bang a gong and howl at the moon because Joe "High Pitch" Gibbs is back.

But to get a DMN article, post it for the masses to hoot at and then get all upset because it is contrary to your view of the team (as a Redskin fan) is totally silly.

What did you expect? Fawning over High Pitch as has been done over and over again in every major media outlet since the final gun sounded at FedEx on Sunday?

The fact is that this is a rivalry that transcends records, talent or anything else. It is what makes football great. See you boys in two weeks.

What's with the "high pitch" remarks? I gotta tell you, it's an infantile way to go about trying to make fun of somebody. "High pitch"? That's the best you could come up with?

While you ponder that question, you might also want to check exactly how long a decade is, let alone "decades". I believe in the last two decades we have won at least one Superbowl. If you want to go back "decades" you might want to completely forget the 80's because the Cowboys were totally forgettable for those ten years. Didn't do much of anything except take up space.

[boozeman3]

Originally posted by Om

Hey booze ... about that whole "you guys overreact to Dallas stuff more than we do to Redskins stuff"?

Gimme a break.

The funny part of your latest rabble rousing run is that I know, in your heart of hearts, this time you don't really believe your own brave talk about coming in here and taking on Joe Gibbs. I know it ... and so do you.

But please do keep trying to sell it.

It's gonna make the conversations after so much more enjoyable.

Om...

Believe it.

I am not a Gibbs fan. I do understand the fact that he won two Super Bowls in strike-effected years.

Am I prepared to set High Pitch up against Man Boobs?

No.

They are about equal in my mind.

But Om, you are smart enough to know that a legend returning to the game after a layoff is not a sure thing. You guys should have whipped the Bucs last week, yet the game was close.

Jones/Parcells broke the ground, Snyder decided to seize the copy cat opportunity and good for him. I am looking forward to a great week of overhype and a hell of a matchup between Gibbs and Parcells.

I did not come over here to rabble rouse. I just came to invite Redskin fans (all of the five or so I know) to come on over and rabble rouse in kind.

http://www.dallascowboyscentral.com

[ArmchairRedskin]

Originally posted by boozeman3

Om...

Believe it.

I am not a Gibbs fan. I do understand the fact that he won two Super Bowls in strike-effected years.

Am I prepared to set High Pitch up against Man Boobs?

No.

They are about equal in my mind.

But Om, you are smart enough to know that a legend returning to the game after a layoff is not a sure thing. You guys should have whipped the Bucs last week, yet the game was close.

Jones/Parcells broke the ground, Snyder decided to seize the copy cat opportunity and good for him. I am looking forward to a great week of overhype and a hell of a matchup between Gibbs and Parcells.

I did not come over here to rabble rouse. I just came to invite Redskin fans (all of the five or so I know) to come on over and rabble rouse in kind.

http://www.dallascowboyscentral.com

Gibbs was offered the job by Snyder on several occasions prior to Parcells joining the Cowboys. Copycat :laugh:

First strike shortened season the Cowboys went to the playoffs as did the Redskins. The Redskins beat the Cowboys and went on to the SB. That's flaw # 1 in bringing up that argument.

Second strike season Gibbs won a game against a Cowboys team that featured the likes of Dorsett and White with scrubs off the street. That's flaw #2.

As for nothing being guaranteed, same can be said for Parcells. He hasn't won a Superbowl since he coached the Giants. That's one year longer than Gibbs. Seeing as how Gibbs only coached one year after that, I think it's self evident that you are only regurgitating what you read or hear elsewhere. What's next? The "cap hell" argument? :laugh:

[Ancalagon the Black]

You guys should have whipped the Bucs last week, yet the game was close.

We were favored by one point, at home. In whose book should we have "whipped" the Bucs?

[Om]

Originally posted by boozeman3

Om...

Believe it.

I am not a Gibbs fan. I do understand the fact that he won two Super Bowls in strike-effected years.

Am I prepared to set High Pitch up against Man Boobs?

No.

They are about equal in my mind.

But Om, you are smart enough to know that a legend returning to the game after a layoff is not a sure thing. You guys should have whipped the Bucs last week, yet the game was close.

Jones/Parcells broke the ground, Snyder decided to seize the copy cat opportunity and good for him. I am looking forward to a great week of overhype and a hell of a matchup between Gibbs and Parcells.

I did not come over here to rabble rouse. I just came to invite Redskin fans (all of the five or so I know) to come on over and rabble rouse in kind.

http://www.dallascowboyscentral.com

Booze ... sorry to hear that you believe it. I thought you were smarter than that.

The straw men and silly misdirects you throw around about Gibbs being "a sure thing" and taking the obligatory silly Snyder shot won't work with me, either. That's amateur-hour stuff and I'm not interested.

If you have to smack, let's at least try to make it interesting.

[boozeman3]

Originally posted by ArmchairRedskin

Gibbs was offered the job by Snyder on several occasions prior to Parcells joining the Cowboys. Copycat :laugh:

Believe what you wish.

The Carolina Panthers would have given the farm to Gibbs if he accepted it.

Gibbs, like Parcells, was a commodity.

Gibbs made the choice to come back on his terms. Nothing wrong with that.

First strike shortened season the Cowboys went to the playoffs as did the Redskins. The Redskins beat the Cowboys and went on to the SB. That's flaw # 1 in bringing up that argument.[

Second strike season Gibbs won a game against a Cowboys team that featured the likes of Dorsett and White with scrubs off the street. That's flaw #2.

Because they beat Dallas in those years is a badge of honor? Don't make me bring up the Campo dominance.

As I said before, this game is bigger than talent or record. It is about emotion.

As for nothing being guaranteed, same can be said for Parcells. He hasn't won a Superbowl since he coached the Giants. That's one year longer than Gibbs. Seeing as how Gibbs only coached one year after that, I think it's self evident that you are only regurgitating what you read or hear elsewhere. What's next? The "cap hell" argument? :laugh:

Shocking thing is, my friend, is that I am not a homer and your barbs are wasted on me.

Try it on someone from Texas.

[boozeman3]

Originally posted by Om

Booze ... sorry to hear that you believe it. I thought you were smarter than that.

The straw men and silly misdirects you throw around about Gibbs being "a sure thing" and taking the obligatory silly Snyder shot won't work with me, either. That's amateur-hour stuff and I'm not interested.

If you have to smack, let's at least try to make it interesting.

Fair enough, Om.

I don't read your opine on a day to day basis, so please enlighten me.

Are you getting all excited over Gibbs' return like it is kin to a free playoff ticket?

[rdsknbill]

That is is tough. Although I was "giddy" over the win last weekend. I am still cautiously optimistic.

I have faith in Coach. it's all good

[ArmchairRedskin]

Originally posted by boozeman3

Believe what you wish.

The Carolina Panthers would have given the farm to Gibbs if he accepted it.

Gibbs, like Parcells, was a commodity.

Gibbs made the choice to come back on his terms. Nothing wrong with that.

That wasn't the point of what you stated. You claim that Snyder only hired Gibbs after JJ hired Parcells. Don't try to spin it any other way.

Because they beat Dallas in those years is a badge of honor? Don't make me bring up the Campo dominance.

Yeah. You brought up the strike shortened seasons as a way of diminishing the Super Bowl wins of Gibbs and thereby his abilities when compared to Parcells. What my point proves is that Dallas was in the playoffs that year just as were the Skins. Both teams had the same shot at the SB, only the Skins won. Had Dallas won, I'm sure you wouldn't have counted it the same as the others, right? Because it was a strike shortened season and all.

What does Campo have to do with Gibbs ?

Shocking thing is, my friend, is that I am not a homer and your barbs are wasted on me.

They aren't barbs, they're the truth. The only reason they're wasted on you is because you have no way of arguing back.

[Syrinj]

Originally posted by Leonard Washington

good points...for the last couple of years we starting out pretty well only to get totally figured out later in the season.

True, but Spurrier wasn't as quiet about his plans as Gibbs is, either. Gibbs' situation may be different because he isn't so open to people outside of the Redskins organization about his gameplans. Spurrier didn't do that, did he?

[Bat~man]

its week one .... gibbs isnt spurrier .... noone knows what the bucs will do and coaches arent coaches by being dumbasses they know they have to make gamplans and adjust to every team thats what coaches do they adjust

these people who say we are getting to into game one and

we are not gonna have a running game blah blah this and that

are doing the same thing we are doing only they are going the other way with it ...i mean how can they say you cant tell your gonna do this and that in only one game then proceed to tell us we arent gonna do this or that after only one game? ... just have to wait and see

[Ghost of]

Forgive Boozer,

He was really living up to his name last night and hit his head on some rocks after a bad fall. Poor guy hasn't gotten gone to the hospital or gotten any medical attention yet.

Sadly, I think the best we can hope for is a lifetime of helmet-wearing for ol' boozer.

[sydshobob]

[i'll refer to this writer as a he but I'm not sure with that name - might be a woman]

You guys that are agreeing with this article are wrong. Simple as that. Nothing to do with homerism, just simple facts.

The article is meant to make people realize the Skins may not be as good as they seem. That point is easy to make, it takes one sentence and I just wrote it. Maybe some people who don't understand football need this writer's ridiculous assertions to figure that out.

The running statistics are ridiculous. Take away his 64 yard run and he averaged 3 yards per carry. WTF? Now we're throwing out the longest run to determine how good someone is? What would Barry Sanders have averaged if you took away all his runs over 50 yards? It's an AVERAGE. You add up all the runs and divide. It's simple. You don't throw out the high. If it was a 32 yard run would he throw it out? That would be 116 yards and a 4.0 average. Is that acceptable? Here's my IF. If they had been at the 10 yard line it would have been a 90 yard run - what would his average have been then?

Here's another IF. If you take away the lucky bounce on the fumble the Bucs wouldn't have scored. If the refs spotted the ball better, the Skins probaby would have gotten a touchdown. Now the score would be 20-3. Is that more fitting for a 5-11 team against the Bucs?

Tampa Bay may be one of the worst teams in the NFL (I doubt it), but it's not because of their defense. The Redskin offense did EXACTLY what they needed to do to win. You can't pass long, and you usually won't break a 64 yard run (guess what, it's a GOOD thing that the Skins were able to do that, not something you diminish), you've got to move the ball in little bites. They did that when they needed to. Was Brunell great? No. You think a QB might have a little RUST after being off for a year? He made on mistake trying to make a play - guess he better retire. Did he lead them to a win? He damn sure did. He'll get better before he gets worse - trust me.

This defense won't work against McNabb? Is that a statement of fact? Is this guy a psychic? James Randi's got a million dollars waiting for him if he is (right Inmate?!). Who's this clown to say it won't work. We know NOTHING about this defense except that they want to be aggressive. When and who it will work against remains to be seen.

Here's the stupidest statement:

"Gibbs isn't Spurrier. His teams won't beat themselves, and the Redskins won't be outcoached."

That is the only thing he got right. THAT is what real Redskin fans are excited about. That is what they demonstrated on Sunday. Only an idiot would think they're going to run for 166 yards every week and hold every team to 30 yards rushing. Nobody is putting them in the SB. We're giddy because the team played like a team and showed us the type of character, emotion and execution that's been lacking for 12 years.

For someone who's trying to "put the game in perspective" he's certainly got a warped view of things. Nobody is more guarded against over confidence than the true Redskin fan. We've been teased too many times before. This time, we've been give a glimpse of what could be - something we've seen BEFORE - not some Steve Spurrier abberation.

It's not about making them out to be better than they are, it's about hope and excitement - that's my perspective.

[NoCalMike]

I find it hilarious that a lot of experts picked Tampa Bay to be strong this year. Not Superbowl contenders, but a playoff contender, and then the Skins beat them, and "oh well the Redskins just beat a horrible team"

Or the questioning of Brunell by a Dallas writer whose QB is Vinny.

[NoCalMike]

I think the biggest problem with this article, is that he is trying to overstate the obvious, but someone turn it into a knock against the Redskins and their fans. I'm sorry but EVERY TEAM'S FANS after a week 1 win, are feeling sky high and making unrealistic predictions based on the win, however I guess it isn't ok when Redskins fans do it.

99% of the Redskins fans aren't predicting superbowl, and most of us are saying we will compete for a Wildcard spot. Why shtat equals "paper-thin" hype, I dunno.

[goldenster95]

Well, well, well . . . if this is isn't the palliative balm the doctor ordered for the crestfallen Cowboy faithful reeling from last week's Debacle in the 'Dome . . . nope, can't sell papers if all that you're doing is adding to the outrage dinning Dallas all this week . . . instead of vulturing down onto that carcass stinking up the joint, let's skip town to rain on the 'Skins parade . . . yep, while the general premise is sound -- you can't tell much from one game -- the supporting points are as equally if not more flawed . . .

Yes, take away that one run from Portis' total, and then do the math from there . . . never mind the fact that he's a homerun runner and that big runs like that add to his total .. . . also never mind the fact that a lot of his runs at the end were clock eating runs the Bucs knew were coming . . .

Oh yeah, those Bucs . . . those horrible Bucs . . . not just a bad team, but the worst in the NFL . . . worst than the Niners . . . worst than the Cruds . . . hell, worse than the Giants . . . got it . . .

And while you can't tell much from one game about the 'Skins, you sure can use that one game to say that Brunell won't be long for the season and that he might as well hang it up . . . got that too . . .

Jeez, what were we all thinking?

[Dallsux]

Whatever takes the attention away from their team getting their azzes handed to 'em by the Vikes. Nothing really wrong with the article really. I don't necessarily think the Bucs are a bad team, or at least one of the worst teams, but certainly not the best. But what I don't understand is why a W can't just be a W. They don't have one yet, & if Cleveland comes out & plays them this week the way they did the Crows, they may STILL lack the W. I don't understand why we can't just get a W without everyone saying "Well, yeah, but..." It's a W. Move on. There are 15 games left & we are starting the season off right. Will it last? Only time will tell. But, at least we WON our game. They lost to a team that can NEVER win in the end. The sarcasm in that article is a little overdone. I can almost see the guy rolling his eyes as he types each word out. I wonder what will be his poison after Sept. 27th.

:wewantd: :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :wewantd: :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :wewantd:

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by goldenster95

Well, well, well . . . if this is isn't the palliative balm the doctor ordered for the crestfallen Cowboy faithful reeling from last week's Debacle in the 'Dome . . . nope, can't sell papers if all that you're doing is adding to the outrage dinning Dallas all this week . . . instead of vulturing down onto that carcass stinking up the joint, let's skip town to rain on the 'Skins parade . . . yep, while the general premise is sound -- you can't tell much from one game -- the supporting points are as equally if not more flawed . . .

Yes, take away that one run from Portis' total, and then do the math from there . . . never mind the fact that he's a homerun runner and that big runs like that add to his total .. . . also never mind the fact that a lot of his runs at the end were clock eating runs the Bucs knew were coming . . .

Oh yeah, those Bucs . . . those horrible Bucs . . . not just a bad team, but the worst in the NFL . . . worst than the Niners . . . worst than the Cruds . . . hell, worse than the Giants . . . got it . . .

And while you can't tell much from one game about the 'Skins, you sure can use that one game to say that Brunell won't be long for the season and that he might as well hang it up . . . got that too . . .

Jeez, what were we all thinking?

Apparently, that after 1 game, we can pack up our little makeshift Super Bowl bandwagon & go home. It's all over. The season was a waste yet again because Brunell...wait, it's just week 1!

I agree. Taking away Portis' big run is like taking away all of Emmitt's big runs & that would take away his record & we can't do that! Oh well, I guess they're stuck with it.

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by sydshobob

[i'll refer to this writer as a he but I'm not sure with that name - might be a woman]

You guys that are agreeing with this article are wrong. Simple as that. Nothing to do with homerism, just simple facts.

The article is meant to make people realize the Skins may not be as good as they seem. That point is easy to make, it takes one sentence and I just wrote it. Maybe some people who don't understand football need this writer's ridiculous assertions to figure that out.

The running statistics are ridiculous. Take away his 64 yard run and he averaged 3 yards per carry. WTF? Now we're throwing out the longest run to determine how good someone is? What would Barry Sanders have averaged if you took away all his runs over 50 yards? It's an AVERAGE. You add up all the runs and divide. It's simple. You don't throw out the high. If it was a 32 yard run would he throw it out? That would be 116 yards and a 4.0 average. Is that acceptable? Here's my IF. If they had been at the 10 yard line it would have been a 90 yard run - what would his average have been then?

Here's another IF. If you take away the lucky bounce on the fumble the Bucs wouldn't have scored. If the refs spotted the ball better, the Skins probaby would have gotten a touchdown. Now the score would be 20-3. Is that more fitting for a 5-11 team against the Bucs?

Tampa Bay may be one of the worst teams in the NFL (I doubt it), but it's not because of their defense. The Redskin offense did EXACTLY what they needed to do to win. You can't pass long, and you usually won't break a 64 yard run (guess what, it's a GOOD thing that the Skins were able to do that, not something you diminish), you've got to move the ball in little bites. They did that when they needed to. Was Brunell great? No. You think a QB might have a little RUST after being off for a year? He made on mistake trying to make a play - guess he better retire. Did he lead them to a win? He damn sure did. He'll get better before he gets worse - trust me.

This defense won't work against McNabb? Is that a statement of fact? Is this guy a psychic? James Randi's got a million dollars waiting for him if he is (right Inmate?!). Who's this clown to say it won't work. We know NOTHING about this defense except that they want to be aggressive. When and who it will work against remains to be seen.

Here's the stupidest statement:

"Gibbs isn't Spurrier. His teams won't beat themselves, and the Redskins won't be outcoached."

That is the only thing he got right. THAT is what real Redskin fans are excited about. That is what they demonstrated on Sunday. Only an idiot would think they're going to run for 166 yards every week and hold every team to 30 yards rushing. Nobody is putting them in the SB. We're giddy because the team played like a team and showed us the type of character, emotion and execution that's been lacking for 12 years.

For someone who's trying to "put the game in perspective" he's certainly got a warped view of things. Nobody is more guarded against over confidence than the true Redskin fan. We've been teased too many times before. This time, we've been give a glimpse of what could be - something we've seen BEFORE - not some Steve Spurrier abberation.

It's not about making them out to be better than they are, it's about hope and excitement - that's my perspective.

:applause: Of course his view is "warped"! He is obviously a Cowpukes fan! I have yet to run into a Pukes fan that DOESN'T have a warped view.

:applause:

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by boozeman3

I gotta tell ya, that was an inflammatory article.

This Williams chick outta be strung up...

Bottomline is, that the Redskin faithful obsess about the Cowboys, their sportswriters and their fans...far more than we do about about them.

Our sportswriters...and you can quote me...are perhaps some of the dullest in the NFL contingent. As for the fans, for every ignorant shat kickin' redneck from South Texas, you might find another who is not from the state and can speak in more than monosyllabic sentences. It is all relative. I don't classify Redskin fans, and neither should you.

But the anger exists. And it is the result of the grief of loss and alot of fabrication.

I understand the mentality, decades of getting your butt handed to you will do that.

And now, everyone wants to bang a gong and howl at the moon because Joe "High Pitch" Gibbs is back.

But to get a DMN article, post it for the masses to hoot at and then get all upset because it is contrary to your view of the team (as a Redskin fan) is totally silly.

What did you expect? Fawning over High Pitch as has been done over and over again in every major media outlet since the final gun sounded at FedEx on Sunday?

The fact is that this is a rivalry that transcends records, talent or anything else. It is what makes football great. See you boys in two weeks.

You talk about us being angry & that that end of it only exists because of grief? Well, what's this b!tch's excuse then? Sounds to me like ya'll are alittle angry too. For what reason though...

Yeah, see ya in 2 weeks, BEEOOOTCH!

[red zone]

Just another piece of anti-Redskin propaganda. To suggest that this team won't have a running game and that McNabb can't be blitzed is ludicrous.....And that's just for starters. To be honest, the most important stat the 'Skins had Sunday was zero injuries. Everytime the 'Skins beat someone it's because the other team had some short coming. Please. The Bucs are well coached and won a Super Bowl two seasons ago.....

[Henry]

The more that fans from other teams come over here to tell us to stop obssessing over other teams, the more amusing it gets.

[dahurt002]

The real kicker is with all talent the bucs have they are the worst team in the league-yeah right-. Brad johnson, garner,alstot,tim brown, galloway, Simeon rice no sacks, Mcfarland, brooks, and gruden the coach is the perfect set up for the worst team in the league. We made them look like the worst team in the nfl.