Mickalino Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Vote and post thoughts on Bush's speech, if you were able to stay awake thru the whole thing :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Just a R.C.H. below a 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 He nearly said the words I long to hear... "Fair Tax Act"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I swear he sounded like a liberal at the beginning, what's with all those liberal programs? I think Pat Buchanon is right that there is a civil war coming to the republican party. I can't imagine conservatives being pleased with all those liberal spending programs Bush wants. He got polite applaush. The rest of the speech did pick up though and he brought the house down. Loved his digs at Kerry, though wonder if could backfire with some voters. I think the election will come down to Iraq and Jobs and the debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Best quote of the night.... In Texas, we call it "walking". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Probably the right speech at the right time. Drew his line in the sand and said this is where I stand......but did it in a more personal way then some of his speechs. Pretty good speech actually, I was expecting about a 6 or 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 What'd you guys think of 3rd generation Pierce Bush ? I definitely see politics in his future. He's got more charisma than any of the Bush's, and a good head to with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 A very good speech He brought his A game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman56 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I just don't believe anything he's saying. I don't know why anyone would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afparent Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Started slow but the part when he talked about military families and his eyes teared up....AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Excellent speech for Dubya. I was impressed. He did a very good job tonight. Say what you will about him, but I believe he is a genuine person, and really tries to do the right thing. There is no mistaking where he stands, whether you always agree with him or not. On a side note, I find it despicable that those two nimrods would try to disrupt the President's speech. No respect at all, it's really sad. I think Kerry has lost more ground tonight. My :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I'm with Hitman. I can't believe in this guy. Puts a bad taste in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by afparent Started slow but the part when he talked about military families and his eyes teared up....AWESOME!!!! I agree about the tears welling up. When I looked at the President tonight one word came to mind. GENUINE. Like I said, say what you will about him, but the man is for real, there's no mistaking who he is, or what he stands for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by Hitman56 I just don't believe anything he's saying. I don't know why anyone would. Funny, that's exactly how I feel.......about John Kerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown 43 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Hitman and Sassy, I believe him! How can you believe in Kerry? You too Destino! Kerry is drowning and my not get back up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by Hitman56 I just don't believe anything he's saying. I don't know why anyone would. I'm not sure what your rationale is. There are plenty of people who dislike Bush, but he's certainly not the type of President to play both sides of every issue, attempt to deceive, soft peddle, etc. The only thing I can imagine that you would respond would be to say that he lied in taking us into Iraq, but there's no actual evidence to support anything other than a massive international intelligence failure. Is that your main problem with his honesty? I can understand people who have huge problems with his stands on various issues, but I don't see where you're coming from. Help me out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Much better than I thought. Siad a few things I wish he hadn't, didn't touch on some issues I wish he would have. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Kerry better get his act together before this turns into a run away, Bush was great tonight, i loved how he took shots at himself, and said he does have flaws, great job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman56 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 OK, here's my beef: This goes for ALL candidates...it is an election. They probably won't do half of what they say they are going to do. They are trying to get votes. With Bush's speech, I felt like I could run down the list of the groups he was trying to get votes from: Corporate America...check Reagan Fans...check Doctors...check Latinos(or Hispanics, as he calls them)...check Conservatives...check Religious Right....check Jews....check It just seemed too transparent to me. Further, with the Iraq mess, Bush is still trying to convince the American people that Saddam had something to do with 9/11 (and don't even get me started on the exploitation of 9/11). Plus, the personal attacks on Kerry seemed like they were either statistics that were taken out of context or just lies. Bush talked about Kerry saying the heart and soul of America is in Hollywood. I seriously doubt if Kerry ever said something like that. Anyway, its late and I don't really feel like explaining why I don't believe Bush anymore and I'm sure I'll get attacked up and down this board. But I just didn't think the speech was so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112row2 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Didnt hear it......Dont care. It's football season..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by Brown 43 Hitman and Sassy, I believe him! How can you believe in Kerry? You too Destino! Kerry is drowning and my not get back up! I never said I believed in Kerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by Hitman56 OK, here's my beef: This goes for ALL candidates...it is an election. They probably won't do half of what they say they are going to do. They are trying to get votes. With Bush's speech, I felt like I could run down the list of the groups he was trying to get votes from: Corporate America...check Reagan Fans...check Doctors...check Latinos(or Hispanics, as he calls them)...check Conservatives...check Religious Right....check Jews....check Why shouldn't the President try to get these peoples votes? What does a Presidential canidate do, if not try to get people's votes? Everybody's Vote, even yours! Originally posted by Hitman56 Further, with the Iraq mess, Bush is still trying to convince the American people that Saddam had something to do with 9/11 (and don't even get me started on the exploitation of 9/11). I never heard him say anything about Saddam having something to do with 9/11. I did hear him say something about Saddam having to do with terrorism, which is a fact. Originally posted by Hitman56 Plus, the personal attacks on Kerry seemed like they were either statistics that were taken out of context or just lies. Bush talked about Kerry saying the heart and soul of America is in Hollywood. I seriously doubt if Kerry ever said something like that. What Bush said, is something to the effect of, most American's don't believe that Kerry is as he claims to be the defender of Conservative Values. If he is the defender of conservative values, then why do so many liberal movie stars support him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman56 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by G-Train Why shouldn't the President try to get these peoples votes? What does a Presidential canidate do, if not try to get people's votes? Everybody's Vote, even yours! I never heard him say anything about Saddam having something to do with 9/11. I did hear him say something about Saddam having to do with terrorism, which is a fact. What Bush said, is something to the effect of, most American's don't believe that Kerry is as he claims to be the defender of Conservative Values. If he is the defender of conservative values, then why do so many liberal movie stars support him? Response to part 1) I said that the speech seemed transparent. I was not knocking him for trying to get votes. I just thought the writers would do a better job masking it. Part 2) Saddam has to do with Terrorism is a fact? Source? Link? Part 3) Bush exactly said that Kerry "said the heart and soul of America is found in Hollywood" I just wanted to know where he got this quote from. I understand the point Bush was making with it. :point2sky :dallasuck :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani2 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by Hitman56 Part 2) Saddam has to do with Terrorism is a fact? Source? Link? http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/18/russia.warning/ Russia 'warned U.S. about Saddam' Friday, June 18, 2004 Posted: 12:46 PM EDT (1646 GMT) MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian intelligence services warned Washington several times that Saddam Hussein's regime planned terrorist attacks against the United States, President Vladimir Putin has said. The warnings were provided after September 11, 2001 and before the start of the Iraqi war, Putin said Friday. The planned attacks were targeted both inside and outside the United States, said Putin, who made the remarks during a visit to Kazakhstan. However, Putin said there was no evidence that Saddam's regime was involved in any terrorist attacks. "I can confirm that after the events of September 11, 2001, and up to the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services and Russian intelligence several times received ... information that official organs of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the United States and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian locations," Putin said. He said the information was given to U.S. intelligence officers and that U.S. President George W. Bush expressed his gratitude to a top Russian intelligence official. "This information was indeed passed on through our partner channels to our American colleagues and, moreover, President Bush had an opportunity and used this opportunity to personally thank the leader of one of the Russian special services for this information, which he considered to be very important," Putin said. Putin made his comments in response to a question from reporters seeking clarification on similar statements leaked by an unnamed intelligence officer in a dispatch by the Interfax news agency. Russia opposed the invasion of Iraq and Putin said Friday the information did not effect its stance on the war. He said there were international norms and procedures that weren't observed regarding "the use of force in international actions." Regarding how the information might have been related to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Putin said, "Whether or not this was sufficient basis to state the United States was acting within the boundaries of self-defense, well, I don't know. This is a separate issue." The United States, meanwhile, never mentioned the Russian intelligence in its arguments for going to war. Hours after Putin spoke, Bush addressed troops at Fort Lewis in the U.S. state of Washington, but he didn't react to the Russian leader's remarks. He repeated his position that Saddam's regime was a threat to the world and that dangers it posed were the grounds for the invasion last year. "This is a regime which gave cash rewards to families of suicide bombers. This is a regime that sheltered terrorist groups," Bush said. He also cited Musab Abu al-Zarqawi, the wanted insurgent in Iraq suspected of many terrorist bombings in Iraq, as an "al Qaeda associate." Asked about Putin's remarks, U.S. National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack said, "We don't typically comment on intelligence matters. We do have an excellent record of cooperation in the war on terror with the Russian government. And a big part of the cooperation is information and intelligence sharing." Putin's comments come two days after members of a U.S. commission looking into the September 11 attacks found there was "no collaborative" relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. The panel also found "no credible evidence" that Iraq was involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks carried out by al Qaeda hijackers. Bush and his vice president, Dick Cheney, have strongly disputed suggestions that the commission's conclusions contradict statements they made in the run-up to the Iraq war about links between Iraq and al Qaeda. Cheney said Thursday the evidence is "overwhelming" that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam's regime. He said media reports suggesting that the 9/11 commission has reached a contradictory conclusion were "irresponsible." (Full story) Bush, who has said himself that there is no evidence Iraq was involved in 9/11, sought to explain the distinction Thursday. The president said that while the administration never "said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated" with Iraqi help, "we did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda." "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda [is] because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said. (Full story) In the lead-up to the Iraq war, Bush made stronger statements alleging cooperation between Iraq and al Qaeda. In a October 2002 speech he said, "Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases." The 9/11 commission's report said bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to (Saddam) Hussein's secular regime." It says the contact was pushed by the Sudanese, "to protect their own ties with Iraq," but after bin Laden asked for space in Iraq for training camps, "Iraq apparently never responded." The report also said, "There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship." take it for what it's worth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by Hitman56 Part 2) Saddam has to do with Terrorism is a fact? Source? Link? A simple internet search will show that terrorists, not nessesarily Al Qaeda, were operating in Iraq prior to the the war. U.S. soldiers found a training facility in Iraq. Here's one link. http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html If we were to hold Saddam to the same standards that Bush Haters hold Bush to, if it happens under his watch, he is responsible. Saddam Hussein himself was a terrorist. Terrorists would use chemical weapons against their own people. What was the the Mustard Gas attacks against the Kurds in 88 if not terrorism? Originally posted by Hitman56 Part 3) Bush exactly said that Kerry "said the heart and soul of America is found in Hollywood" I just wanted to know where he got this quote from. I understand the point Bush was making with it. Fine, if that's exactly what he said, that's exactly what he said. I don't think in a nationally televised speech he would say Kerry said something he didn't, knowing that the speech will be scrutinized thoroughly. I'm sure that Kery did make that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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