ntotoro Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Ouch , says Nick... Fact or Fiction: The Eagles will finally get to the Super Bowl. Salisbury: At the beginning of the season I might have answered fact to this question, but the loss of running back Correll Buckhalter is devastating to the Eagles' plans. Last season they were successful with a running back platoon of Buckhalter, Brian Westbrook and Duce Staley. Now they are down to just Westbrook and I'm not sure how long Westbrook and recently signed running back Dorsey Levens will handle the increased workload this season. That's a big issue and I think it will keep the Eagles out of the Super Bowl. Hoge: To be honest, I don't think they'll even get to the playoffs. Even before the injuries to their defensive line they weren't going to the playoffs because they don't have the CBs to play the defense they need to play. The additions of Jevon Kearse and Terrell Owens aren't going to be enough for them to win. Kearse won't get three sacks per game and once opposing teams start game planning against him he won't be that big a factor. Owens is a great receiver, but he's not a guy who can control or change the game. He can impact the game with his play, but he's only going to touch it a limited amount of times. You can't build an offense around a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hoge's comments are worthless. At least Salisbury voices a legitimate concern. The Eagles lost Kalu. Gained Douglas. That was their "injury". Game plan for Kearse, that's fine, and you still have to deal with arguably the best DT tandem in the league, and Douglas/Burgess outside. And it's always been McNabb's offense, not Owens. They aren't building the offense around a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimminie82 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I'm going to say this, because i have to. the losses of thier conors are going to effect them big time. this is true, but thier real problem is going to be the loss of that running attack that they had that included Mc Nabb. now things will change a bit the NFC east is much better now than what it was a year ago, but i don't see them not making the playoffs. the question is how healthy will they be once they get there:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Only Hoge could make aquireing Kearse and Owens seem like a bad thing... I sincerely doubt the Eagles are expecting 48 sacks out of Kearse... I suppose we don't have any other defencive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz Hoge's comments are worthless. At least Salisbury voices a legitimate concern. The Eagles lost Kalu. Gained Douglas. That was their "injury". Game plan for Kearse, that's fine, and you still have to deal with arguably the best DT tandem in the league, and Douglas/Burgess outside. And it's always been McNabb's offense, not Owens. They aren't building the offense around a WR. I wont expect anything less from a fan and I don’t blame you but here is why they are right and you’re wrong… Teams will be keeping a TE in to pass block against Kearse or run at him so that it negates his strength and accentuates his weakness. As for Burgess/Douglass, you are right, they are possibly the best DT tandem in the NFC. However, the NFC East is loaded with guards and centers that can handle the middle. It’s the blitzing of the Eagles that concerns most teams, but with a combo of max protect schemes, the new secondary contact rules and your CB’s, I don’t think that Johnson will be able to blitz as much as he used to. As for the offense, you lose 2/3 of your running attack from last year, depend on a back that has never been used full time and have an aged vet as a back up. Not good. Owens is going to want to be the focal point of the offense, not McNabb. If you think otherwise, come talk to me by week 8 and we’ll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hoge's comments are always worthless. Just because he was in the NFL doesn;t make him worth listening to. Some people were just meant to be quiet. He is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 **Press Release** To: All NFL defenses From: anonymous source... How do you play defense against the Eagles? 1. Double TO. 2. Spy Mcnabb. 3. Watch the team fall apart. **end of doucment** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurman Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 How did Philadelphia ever score before TO? James Thrash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Lurman How did Philadelphia ever score before TO? James Thrash? throwing out of the backfield to Staley, Staley/Buckhalter/Westbrook running plays and McNabb's legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Most of their scoring was done through their running back committee, wasn't it? With two out of the three gone, the burden will shift to TO who will see double coverage all season long. McNabb will probably be a scramblin' fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 To: All NFL Offenses How do you play offense against the Eagles? 1. Run, Run, Run 2. Pass, Pass, Pass 3. It doesn't really matter. Anything will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I love all these future-seers, both Eagle and Redskin alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakehunter Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by freakofthenorth **Press Release** To: All NFL defenses From: anonymous source... How do you play defense against the Eagles? 1. Double TO. 2. Spy Mcnabb. 3. Watch the team fall apart. **end of doucment** Why didn't it work to just spy McNabb last season? And if it was the run game you should of just put 7 in the box and had a McNabb spy. Get serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgirth Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I was listening to Sirius Nfl Radio today....I can't take WIP anymore. Boomer Esiason was on with Pat Kirwan/Chad and he stated the east was wide open. He doesn't think the Eagles are as good as everyone believes. I still say the eagles have to prove they aren't that good until I believe it.:logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurman Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Oldskool throwing out of the backfield to Staley, Staley/Buckhalter/Westbrook running plays and McNabb's legs. In 2002 Philadelphia scored 25.9 (4th in NFL) points per game. Duce Staley averaged 4.8 points per game (rushing or receiving). Dorsey Levens and Brian Westbrook had two touchdowns combined. McNabb missed 6 games. I think it was James Thrash :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Mark it down. In tomorrow's edition of Fact or Fiction, Hoge will pick the Redskins to win the division. He loves us. Personally, I can't see it happening. Even with the new additions, the Eagles have a lot of a very underrated thing: continuity. It's the biggest thing we're missing. The Birds don't need to time to gel because the core unit has been together for so long. It kills me, but I gotta give props to Andy Reid and the Eagles front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakehunter Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Sebowski To: All NFL Offenses How do you play offense against the Eagles? 1. Run, Run, Run 2. Pass, Pass, Pass 3. It doesn't really matter. Anything will work. If that's how you view the Eagles Defense, I would hate to see how you view Washington's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qb18_200400 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 finally someone has seen what eagles have. they don't have the corners, and they don't have their other outside linebacker. so finally someone notices that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 And we don't have one lineman who can get to the qb. Anyone who honestly thinks the Redskins have a better chance than winning the division than the Eagles is either a skins fan or nuts. I'm not saying it couldn't happen. I hope it does. But you gotta give the Eagles the nod right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 hey, do I know who is going to win the East? No. BUT, what I do know is the three times the Skins went to and won the Super Bowl under Gibbs, they were the preseason favorite to win the East ZERO TIMES. In 1982, Dr. Z and Jimmy the Greek were telling us the Cowboys were a shoo-in for the Super Bowl after losing to San Francisco the year before. In 1987, the Giants were supposed to continue their domination of the Redskins and we were supposed to struggle to finish second or even third. In 1991, the Eagles were supposed to be poised with their #1 defense and Cunningham to get over the hump. But, who ended up winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 But the Eagles will get the pass rush needed to help out their cb's. I think that they are still the best in the division by far. We are unproven, and the Cowgirls won't creep up on anyone this season. The only team that can take on the Eagles is us, the Redskins. Gibbs and his max protection scheme will stop the rush, and I think we can match up well against TO with Taylor and aginst McNabb and the rb's with our athletic linebackers. Those games will be good. And IMO will decide who wins the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hoge has sad the same thing for the last five seasons. I wouldn't expect him to change his tune now. Bottom line, Hoge is an idiot prognosticator who can't see past the "factor back". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenaciousB15 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by ArmchairRedskin Most of their scoring was done through their running back committee, wasn't it? With two out of the three gone, the burden will shift to TO who will see double coverage all season long. McNabb will probably be a scramblin' fool. Your correct. The proof is in the pudding. The eagles had the least ammount of running plays in the entire league last year. Thus, thats how they scored the majority of their points. I don't get some peoples logic. They solution is, oh double TO. Double Kearse. And thats it. That just opens up bigger wholes for another teamate. Bigger wholes, that they weren't as fortunate to have last year. Not to mention, I'd glad the regular season is almost here. Then this whole question mark cornerback theory, can be put to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by Oldskool I wont expect anything less from a fan and I don’t blame you but here is why they are right and you’re wrong… Teams will be keeping a TE in to pass block against Kearse or run at him so that it negates his strength and accentuates his weakness. As for Burgess/Douglass, you are right, they are possibly the best DT tandem in the NFC. However, the NFC East is loaded with guards and centers that can handle the middle. It’s the blitzing of the Eagles that concerns most teams, but with a combo of max protect schemes, the new secondary contact rules and your CB’s, I don’t think that Johnson will be able to blitz as much as he used to. As for the offense, you lose 2/3 of your running attack from last year, depend on a back that has never been used full time and have an aged vet as a back up. Not good. Owens is going to want to be the focal point of the offense, not McNabb. If you think otherwise, come talk to me by week 8 and we’ll see. Burgess and Douglas are DE. Simon and Walker are DT*(EDIT). Westbrook was the most effective back last year, but his health is a concern. With the DLine they won't NEED to blitz as much, but I still think you undervalue the Eagles corners. Owens won't open his mouth THIS year. I'll bet anyone on here that wants to that he won't publically explode like he did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soliloquy Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz Owens won't open his mouth THIS year. So the de-programming took? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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