Burgold Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 So, is it a choice to be a democrat or republican? Why doesn't he come all the way out of the closet and declare himself a flaming republican? Is he ahamed? (Meant tongue in cheek) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Is he ashamed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 DINO... Jim Jeffers did it for a seat of power on a comittee: Horrible Zel Miller did it cause he is old school Democrat that is more conservative than republicans today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I don't have a problem with what Miller did. If that's what he believes, then so be it. I think Kerry sucks too. But I think Bush sucks as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Zell is not a democrat. He calls himself one and that's about it. He doesn't meet with Democratic Party senate caucus, he sits in the republican one. He votes with his party something like 9% of the time. He can cry and complain about what he feels is wrong with the party all he wants, but if you look at his voting record you can see the only change has been in him. He sold out to get the spot light when his own party rejected his turn to social conservatism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Simply not true. Zell Miller has a record of Democratic voting both as Governor of GA and in the Senate. He gave the keynote speech at the DNC 12 years ago and as recently as 3 years ago introduced John Kerry at a reception in GA. He hasnt changed his stance at all. The Dem party has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Simply not true. Zell Miller has a record of Democratic voting both as Governor of GA and in the Senate. He gave the keynote speech at the DNC 12 years ago and as recently as 3 years ago introduced John Kerry at a reception in GA. He hasnt changed his stance at all. The Dem party has. Check his score card ratings from liberal and conservative groups. You'll see what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino Say it all you want but even a quick glane at his voting record will show you that he went from a democrat to a republican in the last few years. If you took his voting record during the time surrounding his Clinton speech and compared it to today and left off the names, you'd think they were two different people. He's also gone a long way from the man that wanted the confederate cross removed from the Georgia state flag. Now he's so conservative that only the most right leaning republicans can claim to be more so then he is. You disregard Kerrys voting record with smoke and mirrors and then point to Zmillers... :notworthy you are the master... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 His voting record has remained the same. What has changed is the voting pattern of the Dem party. And that's precisely why he spoke out against them last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Who cares what party he is in....as long as he has stongly held beliefs...thats fine....just as long as he isn't a lying hypocrit like most politicians.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Thiebear You disregard Kerrys voting record with smoke and mirrors and then point to Zmillers... :notworthy you are the master... Nice try, but unlike Zell I'm not distorting voting records to prove a point, the guy is a social conservative and he admits it himself. But then agian why are we debating if this guy who just gave a keynote speech on the RNC is a democrat? I mean, the dude sit with the GOP in party senate meeting and not the Democrats? He can call himself whatever he wants but his actions speak for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdru Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Simply not true. Zell Miller has a record of Democratic voting both as Governor of GA and in the Senate. He gave the keynote speech at the DNC 12 years ago and as recently as 3 years ago introduced John Kerry at a reception in GA. He hasnt changed his stance at all. The Dem party has. Hey Kilmer, didn't he introduce Kerry three years ago as an American hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Why do we debate anything? It's fun. Im certain that his rating from all groups will show he's more conservative. Because those ratings compare the records to each other. So if he stays the same and the rest of the Dems go hard left, he looks right by comparison. It doesnt matter really. The speech did what it was intented to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdru Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 It doesnt matter really. The speech did what it was intented to do. Show that Zell Miller is an idiot? BURN IN ZELL KILMER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman56 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 What the speech was intended to do was convince middle america that: here's an average democrat who loves Bush. What nobody says is that this guy is essentially a republican (I don't have the stats, but I think he votes with the republicans about 100% of the time). If the Kerry campaign doesn't at least acknowledge that Miller is not a typical democrat, then they are in more trouble than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Brilliant analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdru Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by docdru Hey Kilmer, didn't he introduce Kerry three years ago as an American hero? You never answered my question Kilmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Actually, I said it before you asked it. He introduced him 3 years ago in GA. He also commended him last night for his service in Vietnam. As has every speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Hitman56 What the speech was intended to do was convince middle america that: here's an average democrat who loves Bush. What nobody says is that this guy is essentially a republican (I don't have the stats, but I think he votes with the republicans about 100% of the time). If the Kerry campaign doesn't at least acknowledge that Miller is not a typical democrat, then they are in more trouble than I thought. Although Miller has swayed more right than usual, I wonder if you feel Kerry is a "typical" democrat in which to measure Miller against? I don't, personally. I think Miller is really P/O'ed that his party was hijacked by the liberals and in the direction they have taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 It doesnt matter really. The speech did what it was intented to do. Yeah the speech intended to fool voters into thinking the party who stands for.... --constitutional amendments added banning gay marriage and abortion. --consumption tax --Opposes dealing with the UN and other international organizations --Renamed food with french in the name to "freedom" --Oppose stem cell research --Opposes the existence of unions --Opposes loans for college --Supports creationism taught in science class ....is a moderate middle ground party. Truth is the GOP is a radical as ever and tied to groups like the Christian Coalition and Reconstructionist movement which make moveon.org look like nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 constitutional amendments added banning gay marriage and abortion. Do all Democrats oppose these ideas? I do personally, but as I've said numerous times, issues like these mean very little to me in this election. consumption tax Yep. I think it's a great idea.Opposes dealing with the UN and other international organizations Except for the fact that we DO deal with the UN and NATO and numerous other organizations. The difference is that the GOP will not give up our sovreignty to those organizations.Renamed food with french in the name to "freedom" Now that's just silly. I know you dont think the GOP did this.Opposes the dept. of eduaction for being wasteful, doesn't bat an eye at the DoD waste. Single largest increase in education in a generation. And what's wrong with reform if it stops waste? Just because another area needs to be trimmed as well, doesnt mean we should ignore them all. Oppose stem cell research Simply not true. They oppose using Govt Funds for stem cell research. There is a difference.Zell got the base riled up. That was his job. He will help turnout in Southern Senate and House races. And he will broaden Bush's lead in those states so Bush wont have to spend money there (ie- VA, SC, AL, etc). Zell's job wasnt to sway the true "undecideds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdru Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by skin-n-vegas Although Miller has swayed more right than usual, I wonder if you feel Kerry is a "typical" democrat in which to measure Miller against? I don't, personally. I think Miller is really P/O'ed that his party was hijacked by the liberals and in the direction they have taken. So then Democrats should be the party of conservatives and republicans should be the party of consevatives? Liberals "hijacked" the republican party party back in the 60's. That was half a century ago. If any party has gone more to the extreme it's the republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Please, Democrats have gone miles further to the left as a whole just from 2000 to now. I disagreed with Clinton's morals and perjury but at least he came across across as a moderate democrat. The party just lost it after the election and went about as far left as could be and let the far far left like Kerry and Edwards take over the party. I have a question for liberals, with all this talk of Kerry wanting coalitions and help from the UN before going to war, what was his excuse for the gulf war. I have to wonder if didn't think that war was justified what war would be justified to him?? Just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 destino you can be a democrat and vote republican, but no according to you have to be a certain way or thats it, pathetic i vote republican 75% of the time but i still agree with democratic views face it not all democrats are as left as you and docdru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 What is the grief for? We have liberal republicans all over the place that vote with democrats and of course Jim Jeffords. This guy said he started out a democrat and will die a democrat just beause the liberals hijacked his party doesnt mean he has to go with the flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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