bubba9497 Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 CZAR: Gibbs' Redskins might not be great http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2867258 There is an interesting concept being discussed around the NFL these days: Maybe Joe Gibbs, the Hall of Fame coach, won't be a miracle worker in Washington this season. It sounds sacrilegious to say, but Washington's offense hasn't resembled one of Gibbs' former Super Bowl teams, plus opposing coaches aren't sure quarterback Mark Brunell has enough in his legs to take the Redskins to the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl. And then there is the point that Clinton Portis isn't the power running back that Gibbs and Washington always employed during its run to glory. Gibbs has admitted that he's playing in a different NFL than the one he left. Sure, owner Daniel Snyder has again dipped mightily into his checkbook — his payroll is estimated at $110 million this year — but in the old days the late Jack Kent Cooke paid with both hands, too, plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules. Snyder can't match Cooke because too many of his peers are watching. The safest thing to say about Gibbs is that his team will be better prepared on Sundays than anything Steve Spurrier put on the field. But it doesn't look like they will be a match for Philadelphia and Dallas in the NFC East. Still, the East is such a great coaching division with Gibbs, Bill Parcells and Tom Coughlin with the Giants and Andy Reid in Philadelphia. "All I want to know," Reid asked me, "is if I win the division again, does that mean I belong in the Hall of Fame?" Reid was being facetious, yet he fully understands what he's up against this season. Kidding aside, he realizes it won't be easy trying to win another division title and reach a fourth consecutive NFC championship game. Reid is a traditionalist in a lot of ways, and he's aware of the coaching legends he will face. He knows Gibbs and Parcells aren't about to screw up a game. "The coaching staff is a big improvement," said a rival NFC coach of Washington. "Gregg Williams is an excellent defensive coach, so that side of the ball will always be in the right formations. It will be interesting to see how Joe does because I don't think he's safe at quarterback, and that's such an important position in his offense. And the kid (Patrick Ramsey) still looks like he's shell-shocked from last season and all the hits he took." How Gibbs and Snyder deal with this season, especially if it's a mediocre one, will be the story in Washington this year. Neither man wants to fail, plus Snyder will be out of miracle workers if Gibbs doesn't put this franchise in the playoffs. And, basically, that might be a lot of ask of him, despite his Hall of Fame credentials. Bennett hurts Vikings Granted, the Minnesota Vikings' best offensive weapon seems to be Daunte Culpepper to Randy Moss and Co. this summer, but losing running back Michael Bennett for the season opener against Dallas (and possibly a couple more games) will put a crimp in the offense, especially with replacement Onterrio Smith sitting out September due to a four-game drug suspension. Moe Williams will be asked to carry the load, but he's best as a third-down back. The Vikings also planned to use Williams on special teams and that idea will have to be junked now. Bennett is a home-run hitter as a tailback, much like Robert Smith was before him. His absence will allow talented Cowboys defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer to load up on defending Culpepper and Minnesota's vertical passing game. The Vikings have been talking playoffs all summer and they have looked the part on offense until the Bennett injury. "They love to talk up there," said Packers coach Mike Sherman of the Vikings. "They do look like they are going to be better this season, but so does Detroit on offense. But we'd like to think we will have a say in this division once again." Notes and thoughts The biggest note on Hugh Douglas returning to Philadelphia after a one-year departure is that he left Jacksonville with a $6 million signing bonus after producing only 3 1/2 sacks. The more games he plays, the more I believe the Cowboys will be all right with Vinny Testeverde at quarterback. And what a great third-round pick TE Jason Witten was last year. Deion Sanders might have beaten Champ Bailey in a race and he might be running well, but there's more to football than being in great running shape. He's not getting ready for the Olympics. Jerry Rice worked hard to prepare for his 20th NFL season, but wouldn't the Raiders be better off starting Doug Gabriel, who can simply fly, and leave Rice as the third-down starter? The Dolphins might surrender a fourth-round pick for Cleveland RB James Jackson. The Falcons are doing the right thing not pressing Michael Vick to play these exhibition games. They need him when it counts, as last season definitely proved to everyone. It's tough to mortgage their future for a Super Bowl run, but the Chiefs should try to make a trade for either wide receiver Keenan McCardell or Plaxico Burress. This team is so close they can taste it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Writer's at Foxsports' think tank: I know,let's write something that hasn't been thought of...a negative piece on the Redskins..:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 "Snyder will be out of miracle workers if Gibbs doesn't put this franchise in the playoffs. " What a load of crap. Every year the critics sit back and say "Snyder can't keep expecting overnight success" And as usual, if the Redskins aren't an overnight success, it's a total failure. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 This article is incredibly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Let's conveniently forget that Joe went to the SB with 3 different backs and 3 different QBs... And let's rush to judge the offense in what, the preseason? Gimme a break...:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paydirt Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I think Sanders could actually be better than he was when he left. After taking a couple years off, perhaps his turf toe has healed. I know, it took my turf toe a couple years of relative inactivity to heal all the way. It's hard to push off with turf toe, so he could be better now than when he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked99 Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Originally posted by bubba9497 "All I want to know," Reid asked me, "is if I win the division again, does that mean I belong in the Hall of Fame?" facetious or not, that quote really makes me wanna :puke: . i think reid should win at least 1 superbowl (which would first require actually getting to the superbowl) before he can even joke about his fat a** belonging in the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSurina Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Boy, aren't we getting a little stupid to make such wild a** assumptions on one preseason game??? After the Miami game, they all loved the potential!! What a load! Oh well, we know. It will be fun to watch the season unfold. The Redskins will be respectable, I have no doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Yea, this offense isn't what it once was based strictly on the pre-season. Yea, our 33 year old QB is so old and isn't going to get us any where - yet the 40 Testaverde is pure brilliance on the Cowboys part., as is the 34 year old Jeff Garcia. yes, two back to back 1500 yard rushing seasons was a fluke. yes, we "broke" the rules the last time Gibbs was here. yes, our owner wants his team to win, he should be put in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I think it is atrocious that they put Dallas on the level with Philly. There isn't an anaylist out there that hasn't said Dallas has gotten worse overall since last year. As far as the Eagles go, yes they are STILL the cream of the crop, but I'd say Washington has just as good a chance at 2nd place as the Cowboys do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 It sounds sacrilegious to say, but Washington's offense hasn't resembled one of Gibbs' former Super Bowl teams, plus opposing coaches aren't sure quarterback Mark Brunell has enough in his legs to take the Redskins to the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl. And then there is the point that Clinton Portis isn't the power running back that Gibbs and Washington always employed during its run to glory. Does the offense resemble the offense in his preseasons of yore? Does Brunell have enough left in his arm? Did we forget about Kelvin Bryant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 "plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules." "plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules." "plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules." "plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules." ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Drivel Simply put, Absolute disrespectful drivel. Coach is going to get it done. This putz is judging on preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Gibbs inherited Riggins when he joined the Redskins, and Gibbs really didn't rely on a big power runner like Riggo after the Diesel retired. Yet people act like Riggo was the only RB Gibbs ever coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Originally posted by jimster Yea, our 33 year old QB is so old and isn't going to get us any where - yet the 40 Testaverde is pure brilliance on the Cowboys part., as is the 34 year old Jeff Garcia. I thought this was funny, too. In the same column, he questions how much Brunell has left at 33-34. Later, he thinks the Cowboys will be just fine with 40-41yo Testaverde at QB. Does this guy even check his work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 hmmmm.....my first reaction was...."kind of a silly article...this is Joe's first season back. It's ridiculous to think SB." No one laid that expectation on Parcells last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIBBS LIVES Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 It's going to take Gibbs two years to right this ship. Many skins fans will be dissapointed but next year, we will take off!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Originally posted by Redskin11 "plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules." "plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules." "plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules." "plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules." ...... What are you getting at here? It's true that the rules were "bent" (using IR to stockpile players, for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afkidd Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 he's right about one thing...QB in a big part of the offense...then again, that's like saying the main ingredient in spagetti is noodles. what an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandies Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I think he is right. I give up. I think the skins will be 0-19 this year with two playoff losses and a loss in the Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 It sounds sacrilegious to say, but Washington's offense hasn't resembled one of Gibbs' former Super Bowl teams, Dude, it's preseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afparent Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2867258 There is an interesting concept being discussed around the NFL these days: Maybe Joe Gibbs, the Hall of Fame coach, won't be a miracle worker in Washington this season. It sounds sacrilegious to say, but Washington's offense hasn't resembled one of Gibbs' former Super Bowl teams, plus opposing coaches aren't sure quarterback Mark Brunell has enough in his legs to take the Redskins to the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl. And then there is the point that Clinton Portis isn't the power running back that Gibbs and Washington always employed during its run to glory. Gibbs has admitted that he's playing in a different NFL than the one he left. Sure, owner Daniel Snyder has again dipped mightily into his checkbook — his payroll is estimated at $110 million this year — but in the old days the late Jack Kent Cooke paid with both hands, too, plus his franchise was great at stockpiling players and breaking the rules. Snyder can't match Cooke because too many of his peers are watching. The safest thing to say about Gibbs is that his team will be better prepared on Sundays than anything Steve Spurrier put on the field. But it doesn't look like they will be a match for Philadelphia and Dallas in the NFC East. Still, the East is such a great coaching division with Gibbs, Bill Parcells and Tom Coughlin with the Giants and Andy Reid in Philadelphia. "All I want to know," Reid asked me, "is if I win the division again, does that mean I belong in the Hall of Fame?" Reid was being facetious, yet he fully understands what he's up against this season. Kidding aside, he realizes it won't be easy trying to win another division title and reach a fourth consecutive NFC championship game. Reid is a traditionalist in a lot of ways, and he's aware of the coaching legends he will face. He knows Gibbs and Parcells aren't about to screw up a game. "The coaching staff is a big improvement," said a rival NFC coach of Washington. "Gregg Williams is an excellent defensive coach, so that side of the ball will always be in the right formations. It will be interesting to see how Joe does because I don't think he's safe at quarterback, and that's such an important position in his offense. And the kid (Patrick Ramsey) still looks like he's shell-shocked from last season and all the hits he took." How Gibbs and Snyder deal with this season, especially if it's a mediocre one, will be the story in Washington this year. Neither man wants to fail, plus Snyder will be out of miracle workers if Gibbs doesn't put this franchise in the playoffs. And, basically, that might be a lot of ask of him, despite his Hall of Fame credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thiebear Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 How hard is it to go back to the basics and teach technique... Put two balls in the special teams hands and say O.K. now catch the third one incoming.. Put TE on the line and say protect the QB and help the Run Put Portis on the field and say, carry this 30 times... Put in a Veteran QB and say Teach Ramsey and hand this to Portis. Cut 60% of the penalties and screwups.. The skins were winning in 8 of the games they lost last year in the 4th quarter? doesnt take much to tip the scales... This aint rocket science folks... You don't have to be a Gibbs to win.. You have to be a judge of people and adaptable during the game and do the basics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 It sounds sacrilegious to say, but Washington's offense hasn't resembled one of Gibbs' former Super Bowl teams It's interesting how a jounalist can give such a lofty opinion after 3 preseason games. Perhaps he's forgotten about the Super Bowl team that went 0-4 in a preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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