Doc Walker blasts Redskin fans

[Jimbo]

I have only been to one game in FedEX and a couple of games at Invesco Field. Both stadiums are similar and both SUCK in my opinion. RFK may have been old but I'd take it over FedEx ANY day.

Maybe there's a correlation nowadays between how much you spend at a game vs. how loud you get. It's hard to cheer when you've spend $100 on your ticket and a couple beers and dogs.

The other thing that bugs me about Doc is that he said RFK was loud when the Skins weren't winning. I beg to differ. It got louad AFTER George Allen produced a winner and Joe Gibbs kept it going. I don't recall him being around pre-Gibbs so how would he know? He's just baiting but when he starts praising Baltimore, I want to call him a traitor.

[cracka]

Ravens stadium???:puke: :puke: :puke:

Sure.. If you actually want to watch male cheerleaders and see 3 little ratbirds running around the field.

If you have ever been to a Pittsburg @Ravens game you would laugh, there is more black and gold then you would ever see green in white at Fedex (though the philly fans are just more obnoxious). Sure, they have enthusiasm but they just won a Suberbowl 3 years ago and how loud do you have to be to make a 25,000 seat stadium appear impressive.

Fedx will be a different place this year, more people will be going to the games and once we start winning that place is going to rock in November/December.

:ravensuck:

[NoCalMike]

You could chalk this up to not only not being a WINNING TEAM, but the last couple of years, the Skins have been out of contention halfway through the season. So I mean how loud are the fans going to cheer from then on? I live out here in CA, and went to Fed Ex for the Pats game last year, and was a little dissapointed in the crowd noise too, it just wasn't what I expected from hearing stories about the Redskins faithful. Of course my Dad spoke to me about games in RFK. I will tell you one thing, no matter how quiet Fed Ex seems, it is nothing compared to the silence in the 49ers stadium.

[afparent]

We need more than winning. We need those classic Redskin games in bad weather...late 4:00 games where the whole nation is watching. I remember a season back in 77 or 78 where the Skins seemed like they were on at 4:00 a lot that year. They also played in some of the greatest games ever. Late game winning drives, dirty old style football. That year they were voted the most popular team in the NFL based on TV ratings. We can't have games where the Cowboys win in overtime and the Cowboy fans leave laughing. That is why they come, their chances are great that they will win. We need games like when Ken Houston stopped Walt Garrison on the one yard line, when Eddie Brown ran a punt back in a downpour. We need games where the whole country is talking about it the next day. We need games where we can laugh at the opponent's fans as we leave the stadium. I guess what I am saying is until we leave the game sky high and can't wait to come back and root our butts off, it will never change. Too many times, I have left Fedex, bummed out, getting on the Metro Buses and no one is talking, then getting on the Metro and it is quiet. We need to change the entire environment.

[bubba9497]

bait job :laugh:

[Arioch]

As if "Doc" Walker is a real authority on anything except "Doc" Walker. Walker has played a 4 yr. back-up Redskin career into a self appointed authority on anything his mind comes across. I used to like him until he landed the radio gig and started pontificating his bloated self important opinion. Any one who refuses to call the team by name, he always refers to the as 'The Burgandy and Gold', not the Redskins, because he's pontificating HIS opinion on the racial aspect, is disingenuous toward the fans he professes to represent. He's a blowhard just looking to further his own self interests and career. So, he smacks the beehive, and the sheep bleat. My question to all of you is: What do you care what he thinks? Don't fall for his BS

[Tarhog]

Thats 4 more years of being a Redskin than anyone here has Arioch. You, of course, have the right to your opinion, but Doc graciously contributes his insight, and frequently inside information and perspective to Extreme. One man's 'blowhard' is another man's wealth of information. Personally, I haven't heard much come out of Doc Walker's mouth that I haven't agreed with....including the subject of this thread. He's blasting the lame fans who go to a game as an 'event', not as diehard fans. I don't see how you can argue with that. And ripping the guy a new one on the very site he voluntarily contributes to strikes me as a little over the top.

[bulldog]

Walker criticizes the amenities at the stadium and the lack of a hard core attitude among fans attending, then goes on his radio show and talks about going up to Snyder's humidor and living the good life.

Seems if Doc wants to recapture the feeling then perhaps he ought to jump his *** back down into the field seats where the real fans live.

[Posse81]

Originally posted by Redsknsfan

You're right...I was at that game...and the place ROCKED! Then it fell to apart and was another loss. But..oh man....the pre-game atmosphere....and the first quarter was awsome. And lucky me....I had to sit lower level...beside two Iggles fans....sheeesh!

I agree 100%. The buzz in the stadium before that game was unreal. Even better than the Jets game last year in my opinion. Hopefully we get that back on a more regular basis. It will be nuts for the Dallas Monday nighter, especially if we're 2-0 going into that game.

[Commander PK]

Originally posted by wetredhead

We were told once to sit down because a guy’s wife could not see the field because we were standing during player introductions. The people in the four seats were ticket holders from back in the late 70’s early 80’s. They sat there and acted as if they were in church.

I had the same thing happen to me. A woman tapped me on the shoulder at the Giants game last year. I was standing and yelling about something that had just happened in the game. She said "excuse me, would you mind sitting down, I know your excited, but I can't see around you." I got really pissed off, and asked her if "this was an opera or an NFL game." She just looked at me with this dumb look on her face. I then b#tched the whole rest of the game, out loud about how lame the Fed Ex crowd is. Man was I peeved! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: My buddy told her, "you know, you can stand up too if you can't see!" We stood up practically the entire game after that point. I thought she was going to blow a gasket. :laugh:

and those that say Baltimore's crowd is better, I hate to admit your right. I went their to see them play Dallas a few years ago, and those people were up on their feet the entire time. Much better Football enviornment then Fed Ex, it grieves me to say. The best part about going to Fed Ex to see a game is the tailgaiting and alcohol in the parking lot before the game. Shouldn't be that way.

[Guest SkinsHokie Fan]

Doc is right.

FedEx has the ability to rock and really be loud. I heard it on Saturday (sorry to re-iterate the point but it frustrates me that non-Redskins fans were part of the loudest game at FedEx history)

Fans just have to get in it and make an effort. There are only so many wine and cheesers there. That lower and upper bowl, if it rocked could easily pick up the slack of some of the lame people in the yellow seats.

No reason the place cannot rock. No reason at all. We have to make it happen

[RonJeremy]

Originally posted by Tarhog

Thats 4 more years of being a Redskin than anyone here has Arioch. You, of course, have the right to your opinion, but Doc graciously contributes his insight, and frequently inside information and perspective to Extreme. One man's 'blowhard' is another man's wealth of information. Personally, I haven't heard much come out of Doc Walker's mouth that I haven't agreed with....including the subject of this thread. He's blasting the lame fans who go to a game as an 'event', not as diehard fans. I don't see how you can argue with that. And ripping the guy a new one on the very site he voluntarily contributes to strikes me as a little over the top.

I will diagree with you when you said "I haven't heard much come out of Doc Walker's mouth that I haven't agree with".

I have lost a lot of respect for him today. He ripped all the "Burgandy and Gold" fans and called them soft!! I don't have a problem with that coming from somebody other than him. Why you ask??....because he is an absolute HYPOCRITE. I have first hand knowledge he is a part of the problem.

My seats are in the upper deck and I have been to every home game since they opened FedEx; and the fans up there are doing their part. I had the fortune of getting some clubs seats last season and guess who I saw hanging out in the humidor during the 3rd quarter of game when I got up during a time-out...."Doc" Walker. I came back and told my buddy where he was sitting. He went to the bathroom later on and said he was in the same spot (it was in the 4th quarter). So, basically he spent the second half of the game being a "non-factor" as it pertains to crowd noise. He needs to look himself in the mirror before he makes a statement like that. What's that saying about people in glass houses??

I agree that certain areas of the stadium need to be louder, but he is contributing to the problem by providing another empty yellow seat during games. IMO he needs to get off this soap box because I have officially called him out!! He is a fraud!! and as far as this topic goes needs to :stfu:

[xe101]

he does make a good point!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tarhog]

I haven't heard, first hand, what he said. But like I said, I don't think he's talking to the hardcore fans. Joe Gibbs hasn't attended a game or been spotted screaming on the sidelines since he left the organization. Lets rip him too. I think you have to take what he's saying in its proper context....I think he's just trying to get the fans riled up, not 'diss' anybody.

Besides, my main point wasn't whether he is factually correct or not. I just think he deserves a little slack, having taken the time to contribute here. If he held all of us in such low esteem, I don't think he'd be wasting his time on us, considering he makes not 1 cent doing so.

But like I said, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

We need white towls to spin

[RonJeremy]

Originally posted by Tarhog

I haven't heard, first hand, what he said. But like I said, I don't think he's talking to the hardcore fans. Joe Gibbs hasn't attended a game or been spotted screaming on the sidelines since he left the organization. Lets rip him too. I think you have to take what he's saying in its proper context....I think he's just trying to get the fans riled up, not 'diss' anybody.

Besides, my main point wasn't whether he is factually correct or not. I just think he deserves a little slack, having taken the time to contribute here. If he held all of us in such low esteem, I don't think he'd be wasting his time on us, considering he makes not 1 cent doing so.

But like I said, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself.

I do appreciate his time here too. I think he is a true fan of the Skins and wants FedEx to be as loud as much as we do....but IMO he needs to be real careful name calling the fans...especially since I am sure more than just myself have seen him in the club area hanging out during games...and not in his seat.

If he got his point across as "WE" as fans need to show some more respect and enthusiasm for Gibbs returning and make FedEx an madhouse because "WE" are the best fans in the nation. "WE" need to let America know we are still here and FedEx needs to be a home field advantage....then I would agree.

What he said today was hypocritical!

[Charlie Murphaaay]

Originally posted by Tarhog

Thats 4 more years of being a Redskin than anyone here has Arioch. You, of course, have the right to your opinion, but Doc graciously contributes his insight, and frequently inside information and perspective to Extreme. One man's 'blowhard' is another man's wealth of information. Personally, I haven't heard much come out of Doc Walker's mouth that I haven't agreed with....including the subject of this thread. He's blasting the lame fans who go to a game as an 'event', not as diehard fans. I don't see how you can argue with that. And ripping the guy a new one on the very site he voluntarily contributes to strikes me as a little over the top.

I agree Tarhog. I do disagree with some of Doc's viewpoints every now and then, but I do feels as though everything he says regarding the Skins (and he does call them that) is from the heart. Although he was a 'bench rider" as Arioch stated, he was one when the Redskins electrified a city. He does know how true Redskins fans cheered for their team and still do to this day.

I do know how it feels to sit in Fedex stadium screaming my lungs away, and feeling like only a few of us were there.

It's probably similar to a feeling a guy would get if they'd showed up to a fight with other guys only to find that friends didn't bother to swing.

I'm positive that the fans at FedEx field could assist in winning games, point blank. We could be causing offside penalties, ineffective audibles and just plain ole' PRESSURE!!!!

This season needs to be the beginning of real home field advantage.

[diego1115]

Originally posted by Chachie

The "wine and cheesers" excuse may have SOME validity. We have all these politicians and big business people at the games. Whe I say business people, I mean from OUT OF TOWN. These are NOT Redskin fans. Washington DC is second only to New York City and Los Angeles (who has no football team) for having citizens and visitors who were not born in the area. This makes for butts in the stands that don't even care who wins in addition to all the traitors who live here but root for the Cowboys, etc.

There is NO doubt that FedEx needs to step up the noise and represent, but it's also gotta come from those of us who love the Skins but don't go to games. We have to take tickets OUT of the hands of fatcats and traitors.

Joe's first pre-season game was a very rainy affair, with a hurricane in the picture. If it had counted, I'm sure the turnout would have been higher.

(BTW, Ravens stadium does ROCK. I've been there.)

its funny me and a fellow extremeskins.com member were having this same arguement just yesterdays and i said the same exact things that DOC said on the radio today....he is right but it also starts with winning...hopefull my faith in us TRUE REDSKINS fans can make FedEx that home-field that we were used to @ RFK...its been a long time coming....

There is NO doubt that FedEx needs to step up the noise and represent, but it's also gotta come from those of us who love the Skins but don't go to games. We have to take tickets OUT of the hands of fatcats and traitors.

AMEN!!!!!:point2sky :point2sky

[Tarhog]

Originally posted by RonJeremy

I do appreciate his time here too. I think he is a true fan of the Skins and wants FedEx to be as loud as much as we do....but IMO he needs to be real careful name calling the fans...especially since I am sure more than just myself have seen him in the club area hanging out during games...and not in his seat.

If he got his point across as "WE" as fans need to show some more respect and enthusiasm for Gibbs returning and make FedEx an madhouse because "WE" are the best fans in the nation. "WE" need to let America know we are still here and FedEx needs to be a home field advantage....then I would agree.

What he said today was hypocritical!

I'll agree he should be careful about making sweeping generalizations. I drive 6-7 hours as often as I can to get to FedEx for a game, and I scream my @ss off. So do a lot of others, but I don't necessarily think the average extreme member is representative of the 'average fan'. I will agree if he's going to throw stones, he ought to be walking the walk himself.

[The Sisko]

4 things. First, Jboo is right to the nth degree. More than anything else (including the crappy beer) the "It's third down Redskins fans" guy just makes me so mad I could just :toilet::crap: Anybody, and I mean anybody that doesn't know when it's 3rd down shouldn't even be at the game.

Secondly, the team shouldn't have to win for the fans to come in and rock the joint. I remember being in the stands during Marty's last game in a miserable cold rain yelling my fool head off just for the team to screw up it's draft pick by improving it's record to 8-8. It's about loyalty and love. If the team were 0-15 I'd still be in the stands representing to the fullest.

Third, for those of you that called Doc a "bench rider". I hope none of you were the folks saying how we need fewer primadonnas on the team and more role players. True, Doc wasn't a starter. However he was a valued role player who performed when called upon. Over the years those are exactly the type of players Gibbs rode to glory with.

I've always liked and respected him even before he had anything to do with the site because he could always be counted on to tell it like it is. Certainly, you don't have to agree with him or anybody else all the time. However, please don't try to denigrate the guy by calling him a "bench rider". You only succeed in making yourself look uninformed by doing so.

Finally, my grandmother always told me to never argue with somebody when they're right. In this case, that means we shouldn't argue the point because he's right. Skins fans at Fedex just aren't the most rabid fans around....and that's being generous.

[bwall-2]

Originally posted by jbooma

On the John Thompson show on WTEM he said that the fans from Baltimore get it, not the "new" redskin fans. He says Fedex is a joke of a home stadium because the 12th man is soft. The fact we need an announcer to try to get us pumped is pathetic according to him. In the old stadium you only heard music from the band, nothing else.

A lot of fans called in and blamed it on the cheese and wine crowd, but doc said you don't see that problem in LA, NY, Baltimore etc.... he wasn't having any excuses said we have to admit being soft and we need to change.

Mentioned that the preseason games at home (i think there has been only one, don't know) was a disgrace to Joe with no one there.

What do you guys say to that?

He did praise the Bmore fans and their stadium said they know how to take care of you, not fedex.

He also pointed out that losing wasn't an excuse since they use to cheer preGibbs no matter how bad the team was.

[bwall-2]

Originally posted by bwall-2

Doc Walker is right 100%.

[Dallsux]

The only game that I went to that was LOUD was the Detroit playoff game. The place was ROCKIN' the whole time! It felt like standing room only, even with the seats. We didn't even sit down until halftime, & by that point, the whole section, or so it felt like the whole section, had to sidestep because we had somehow moved down a few seats. :laugh: Other than that, the crowd hasn't even compared since...for that matter, even before that game, post-Gibbs.

I think once we start winning again & start actually showing up for games, alot of those fatcat tickets will become obselete because those azzholes won't want to sit in a crowd of rabid Redskins fans screaming & cheering so loud, they can't talk to their clients. It may take a couple of years for that to happen, but I think it will. And since FedEx was designed to be louder than RFK accoustically, FedEx will ROCK! I can't wait!!!

:wewantd: :wewantd: :wewantd: :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck

[MeNoRevs]

cowboyzsuckazz, can your sig be any bigger?

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by MeNoRevs

cowboyzsuckazz, can your sig be any bigger?

I could try, but I would probably get in trouble...