mcfara Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 does anyone else think that the eagles are getting waaaaay too much credit. they could totally be 8-8. Owens is gonna whine about McNabb being unaccurate, without Buckhalter that running game is weak and scares no one, they lost Taylor and Vincent, Javon Kearse has been injured and hasn't been dominant since his rookie yr when the Titans made the super bowl AND they have definately had luck on their side the past few yrs and it has to run out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 The thing is, they made the NFC Title game 3 years in a row. That's pretty darned consistent for a team that lost alot of players due to injury last year. They have a REALLY good coach, QB, defense and now a SUPERSTAR receiver. It's gonna be tough to knock them off their block this season, but then the NFC East should be a lot tougher place to compete now. They may have a worse record than the last 3 years and STILL make the Super Bowl. (I'd rather see them bicker and blunder and self-destruct, but I won't expect or predict it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longseason Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 If anyone is gettting to much credit it is Joe Gibbs. He hasn't called a play in 12 years and it is a whole new NFL he may be great but you have to wait and see. The Eagles have been a quality team year in and year out who know when to get rid of players. Name one vet who left who has played well for thier new team. Look at the Vegas lines for the teams these are the people who evaluate the teams that put thier money on the line, not just the majority of commentators who also pick the Eagles to be one of the strongest teams in the NFL. Good luck this year, but I'd rather pin my hopes on a core of quality players who've proven that the win consistently than a legendary coach who has been out of the game for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 This is a division of 8-8 and 9-7 teams, because all four will beat up on each other too much. It's great for the league, but everyone having great coaching and potentially disciplined teams for the first time in a while means for trouble for the Eagles, Giants, Cowboys and Redskins alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason If anyone is gettting to much credit it is Joe Gibbs. He hasn't called a play in 12 years and it is a whole new NFL he may be great but you have to wait and see. The Eagles have been a quality team year in and year out who know when to get rid of players. Name one vet who left who has played well for thier new team. Look at the Vegas lines for the teams these are the people who evaluate the teams that put thier money on the line, not just the majority of commentators who also pick the Eagles to be one of the strongest teams in the NFL. Good luck this year, but I'd rather pin my hopes on a core of quality players who've proven that the win consistently than a legendary coach who has been out of the game for so long. True Coach Gibbs has been away from football for 11 years, but let me ask you, have you seen the staff he has surrounded himself with have they been away from football? Let me refresh your memory a little: Greg Williams: Williams took over the Redskins defense in January 2004 following three seasons as head coach of the Buffalo Bills. During his tenure in Buffalo, his defenses improved tremendously during each of his three seasons. In 2003, the Bills defense finished second in the NFL, improving from 15th in 2002 and 21st in 2001. Last season, Buffalo finished first in the AFC in total defense and pass defense. Williams took over as head coach of the Bills after 11 seasons with the Tennessee organization. He was defensive coordinator for four seasons (1997-00), including the 1999 season when the Titans made it to the Super Bowl. Greg Blache: Greg Blache arrived in Washington in January 2004 after spending the previous five seasons as defensive coordinator of the Chicago Bears. He is working closely with assistant head coach for the defense Gregg Williams and focusing particular attention on the development of the Redskins' defensive line. Over the past five seasons, the Bears defense saw tremendous improvement under Blache. In 2003, the Bears defense finished the season fifth in the NFC in total defense and 14th in the NFL -- the unit's highest league overall-ranking since the 1998 season. During Blache's tenure, the Bears' defenses forced 138 turnovers, including 37 in 2001 (the most by a Bears defense since 1990), and accounted for 13 defensive touchdowns. Jack Burns: Prior to rejoining the Redskins, Burns was coaching with the Atlanta Falcons in several different capacities on offense. Most recently as the Falcons' quarterbacks coach (2001-02), he worked with one of the NFL's brightest young stars in quarterback Michael Vick, Atlanta's No. 1 overall draft pick in 2001. Steve Jackson: Steve Jackson joined the Redskins coaching staff in January 2004 with invaluable experience as a defensive backs coach. In addition to coaching the safeties and specializing in third down packages for the Buffalo Bills from 2001-03, Jackson played nine years as a defensive back in the NFL. Now wearing burgundy and gold, he will work closely with secondary coach DeWayne Walker fine-tuning the talents of the defensive backs corps, focusing on the safeties and continuing to utilize his talents molding third-down packages. Jackson served on Gregg Williams' staff in Buffalo. He joined the Bills' coaching staff in 2001 and was responsible for coaching the team's safeties as well as organizing and implementing the defensive unit's third down package. Jackson played for eight seasons in the NFL (1991-99) as a defensive back for the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans. He played in 110 games during that span and made 26 starts, finishing his career with 13 interceptions. He also started in Super Bowl XXXIV against St. Louis. Need I go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason If anyone is gettting to much credit it is Joe Gibbs. He hasn't called a play in 12 years and it is a whole new NFL he may be great but you have to wait and see. Sure, but Reid who has been to the NFC Championship game and lost 3 of 3 times is not getting enough credit somehow. Gibbs is 4-1 in those games. And he is also 3-1 in another game that Reid has never been to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 3-1, damn Marcus Allen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longseason Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 you keep on hoping it's the same stuff every year let's here your excuses after a 7 and 9 season actually that would be a good season for the skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason you keep on hoping it's the same stuff every year let's here your excuses after a 7 and 9 season actually that would be a good season for the skins The irony of the "same stuff every year" is delicious, isn't it? The lack of puncuation made it a little difficult for me to get your initial idea, but I think I understand. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 The eagles have earned every scrap of credit they are getting. They've achieved consistency while losing players, and have been the best team in their division, and second best team in their conference for 3 years straight. Also the Eagles have a premier pass rusher and wide out. They look to be better then last year. We'll get our respect when we beat the piss out of the eagles. Until then let them have their headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason you keep on hoping it's the same stuff every year let's here your excuses after a 7 and 9 season actually that would be a good season for the skins Then that makes us like you, same stuff every year.:yikes: YOU CHOKE, ...and whats your excuse??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Until the eagles are knocked off, they have to be considered the favorites. However, this season will be unlike any other over the past 13 years in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason If anyone is gettting to much credit it is Joe Gibbs. He hasn't called a play in 12 years and it is a whole new NFL he may be great but you have to wait and see. Fair enough, I mean the nfl has changed a great deal since he left, I mean he might have a hard time adjusting to the things that work in today's nfl like the foward pass, running the football, good defense. We'll have to wait and see if he can adapt to these kind of things in todays nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Gibbs does get alot of credit for his past coaching I agree. Reid should gets alot of credit for his past coaching. Football hasn't changed that much other than the players are faster and stronger. Offensive and defensive schemes are cyclic over the years. The thing that separates Gibbs from Reid is Gibbs has proven he can go all the way in two differant sports Football and Racing (of which he new little about). Philly will give the skins a hard time, but Owens cannot do alot on the field if the skins keep chewing up the clock with running plays which is what Gibbs does. And finally Kearse is a passrushing specialist which is useless if the other team is running the ball down your throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason you keep on hoping it's the same stuff every year let's here your excuses after a 7 and 9 season actually that would be a good season for the skins Do you mean this "SAME STUFF"??? Courtesy of our good friend BANG! http://www.extremeskins.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=banghaha&file=passages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne The Fan Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason The Eagles have been a quality team year in and year out who know when to get rid of players. Name one vet who left who has played well for thier new team. Well, Jeremiah Trotter played for the Redskins during the 2002 and 2003 seasons after having been released by the Eagles. I think that many people thought that he had a solid, if unspectacular, tenure here; I know that I did. But wait, hasn’t Trotter gone back to Philadelphia to play for … the Eagles … this season? How could that be, since the Eagles released him at the end of his useful life? Does the Schuylkill contain a magical elixir that enables a player to regain his powers? Or is your statement simply erroneous? Look man, I’m not knocking the Eagles. Like Destino and others have said, they’ve earned the respect of the league and I’m looking for them to have a strong showing again this year. All I’m saying is that if you’re going to troll, please make sure that you at least have your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason If anyone is gettting to much credit it is Joe Gibbs. He hasn't called a play in 12 years and it is a whole new NFL he may be great but you have to wait and see. The Eagles have been a quality team year in and year out who know when to get rid of players. Name one vet who left who has played well for thier new team. Look at the Vegas lines for the teams these are the people who evaluate the teams that put thier money on the line, not just the majority of commentators who also pick the Eagles to be one of the strongest teams in the NFL. Good luck this year, but I'd rather pin my hopes on a core of quality players who've proven that the win consistently than a legendary coach who has been out of the game for so long. Who is giving Gibbs credit? did i miss something? Yeah sure media talks about Gibbs glorious past but who gave him credit? Matter of fact, most media and articles ive read dont speak highly of the redskins and Gibbs. They dont give redskins a chance this yr to make it to the playoffs. A few have said we can be a wild card team so what the hell are yuo talking about man. Gibbs hasnt even played one reg season game since he came back. please tell me who gave Gibbs credit other than talking about his past status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 It appears that the :troll: has left the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Look here Longd***... A guy named Vermeil came out of the woodwork after years of retirement and he took his squad to the SB in his 3rd year. That team had zero expectations and NO QB and look what they did. I would consider (and many would agree) that pound for pound Joe Gibbs is a better coach than Vermeil. So that being said I think that Gibbs has a favorable chance at winning. Furthermore, is there still 11 men on offense? What about defense? Is it still 10 yards to get a first down? How many quarters are in a game? Are there still.....nevermind you get the point... I hope. Football is Football is Football. I love when people are like he hasnt coached in 12 years. They act like the rules have changed. I predict and expect the Eagles to win the division and I WONT talk bad about THEM. But when some of their fans get big heads and think with their mouth instead of their cerebellum it kindof makes them look like a moron. One has to be extremely bored to run around bad mouthing on an opposing teams message board....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 How can any of us possibly diss the Eagles? They've gone to the NFC championship three years in a row -- we've made the playoffs once in ten years. That said, I wouldn't want to be an eagles fan this year. Anything less than a trip to the super bowl will be disappointing -- you can't even enjoy things until after the NFC title game, if they get there. Being a skins fan is an entirely different matter: after Spurrier, I'll be happy just to see us complete one series without a sack or offisides penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by Hooper How can any of us possibly diss the Eagles? They've gone to the NFC championship three years in a row -- we've made the playoffs once in ten years. That said, I wouldn't want to be an eagles fan this year. Anything less than a trip to the super bowl will be disappointing -- you can't even enjoy things until after the NFC title game, if they get there. Being a skins fan is an entirely different matter: after Spurrier, I'll be happy just to see us complete one series without a sack or offisides penalty. I wasn't dissing the Eagles, I was dissing an troll, taking shots at Joe Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 As long as Jimmy Johnson is running their D, the Iggles will be contenders. As long as Andy Reid is running their team, the Iggles will be chokers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chachie Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by longseason you keep on hoping it's the same stuff every year let's here your excuses after a 7 and 9 season actually that would be a good season for the skins Your avatar is PERFECT for you. You come on posting about Gibbs' absence from the game. I suspect by your post that you are an Eagles fan who has already forgotten all about Dick Vermeil. Leave your head where it belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Longseason - Shouldn't you be hanging out with your fellow Eagles fans someplace, beating up innocent children and throwing car batteries at passing pedestrians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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