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I'm not too keen on the Vice President losing his composure and using language like that. It's innapropriate whether on the Senate floor or in a magazine article; not becoming of a gentleman.

But I am also not a fan of the villification and outright nasty statements made by Leahy, Kerry, Gore et al in carrying out the current political debate. Isn't it just possible that most people are generally honest in their approach and from time to time we are all going to disagree on a particular course of action? Doesn't make our opponents evil, liars, crooks, racists, etc. I can remember a few times in college during some classroom debates when the baseless accusations from those disagreeing with my opinion wanted me to use the "F" bomb as well. Yes the Vice President should know better, but all of us have probably lost our cool before.

And before anyone accuses me of being two-sided on this debate, I (as a strong conservative) will be happy to admit such tactics have been used by the "right" as well.

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Some of you guys are major league hypocrites. The man's human. Big friggin' newsflash. You don't know what was said prior to the exchange in question and neither do I.

Were it someone who's politics you agree with (Ouryear) you'd be falling all over yourself to excuse it. Ever hear of intellectual honesty?

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Originally posted by Bufford

No, nothing like that...because Kerry wasn't in the middle of posing for a Senate picture while picking a fight.

No Kerry said it not in anger but on the record to try to look cool to the kiddies. Really presidential.

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20040120.shtml

Why Democrats use the F-word

Dennis Prager (archive)

January 20, 2004 | Print | Send

The differences between Democratic and Republican positions on almost all subjects of major importance are growing so great that it is fair to say that we are experiencing a second American civil war. These areas include the American role in the world, the role of God and religion in American society, abortion, capital punishment, the war in Iraq, and much more.

But four recent actions by Democrats illustrate that the divide is even greater than many of us had imagined. It has to do with the preservation of our civilization.

First, last month, Democratic Massachusetts Senator John Kerry used the f-word in a formal interview with Rolling Stone magazine.

Second, at a recent evening event in Manhattan before 2,000 people, a leading activist organization for the Democrats, moveon.org, featured a series of entertainers whose presentations were laced with obscenities.

Third, at a fund-raiser in Manhattan in December, Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean attended a campaign fundraiser in which, according to the New York Post, "pro-Dean comics competed to see how often they could use the F-word in the same sentence."

Fourth, according to a front-page New York Times article, another Democratic presidential contender, General Wesley Clark, sends out an endorsement letter written by the actress Madonna.

To the average liberal Democrat in America, none of these actions is worthy of note, let alone of censure. To the liberal Democrat, public cursing (or, in the case of Madonna, publishing a book of oneself in pornographic poses or open-mouthed kissing another woman on national television) is of no consequence. Indeed, they consider a person who does care about such things to be an uptight individual who wants to inflict his uptightedness on everyone else -- the liberals' very definition of a conservative.

To the rest of America, however, when a man who runs for president deliberately uses the f-word in an interview with a national magazine, it is cause for concern. Nearly all non-liberals and even some liberals would regard such a person as one who has a different understanding of what preserves our civilization.

I do not believe for a moment that Senator Kerry wishes to destroy this civilization's rules of order. But I do believe that many well-intentioned Democrats and liberals such as Senator Kerry do not understand what makes our civilization great (the most significant example being the preservation of the Judeo-Christian value system). I also believe that he used the f-word thinking it would impress the largely liberal and hip young readers of Rolling Stone. In other words, Senator Kerry believes that he can appeal to many liberals by coming off as one who has overthrown some of the disciplines of our society.

That also explains the moveon.org evening of obscenities. "We're liberals and Democrats; unlike Republicans and conservatives, we are liberated from Western society's hang-ups -- in speech, in sex, in marriage, in the arts, in dress, and elsewhere."

It needs to be understood that it is not the use of an expletive per se that demands censure, let alone disqualifies a person from public office. If it did, only the mute would qualify for office. Moreover, when judiciously used, expletives can help a person let off steam in private and can be legitimately used in eliciting laughs in some humor. The issue here is the public use of expletives.

If John Kerry curses on occasion in the company of his staff or his wife, that is not the public's concern. But if he uses the f-word in public in an interview, that is the public's concern. Many people do not understand this public-private distinction. That is why some callers to my radio show objected that I had never criticized President Bush's use of the word "a--hole" to describe a New York Times reporter. I explained that the president used the word only in a private remark to Dick Cheney when he assumed there was no microphone present.

The difference between using an expletive when you think no one can hear you and when you want the world to hear you should be obvious to everyone. But in part due to the unprecedentedly large number of people who have attended college, the obvious often needs to be explained.

If you are a Democrat and it troubles you that General Clark is proud to have Madonna's endorsement, that moveon.org celebrates by having a curse-in, and Senator Kerry uses the f-word in a magazine interview, you might want to reconsider your party affiliation. The Democratic Party has earned a reputation as a poor defender of our civilization against external threats. In fact, it has become a poor defender of our civilization. Period.

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Originally posted by Ax

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20040120.shtml

Why Democrats use the F-word

Dennis Prager (archive)

January 20, 2004 | Print | Send

But four recent actions by Democrats illustrate that the divide is even greater than many of us had imagined. It has to do with the preservation of our civilization.

**Oh holier than thou one, thanks for your uptightedness. My guess is he's a big fan of Dick. One should be compensated for having to endure such psycho babble.

By the way, if the left had to suffer through that sort of blathering every time some one slips up, I'm sure they'd give Dick 'foul mouth' immunity.

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Originally posted by Tarhog

Some of you guys are major league hypocrites. The man's human. Big friggin' newsflash. You don't know what was said prior to the exchange in question and neither do I.

Were it someone who's politics you agree with (Ouryear) you'd be falling all over yourself to excuse it. Ever hear of intellectual honesty?

**True enough. But if your one of those cats always harping about family values and evils of rap music, then you've got to know you've got it coming if you slip up. It doesnt bother me, really, it's refreshing to know they are humans too. What would of got my respect would be if his represnative would have replied, "Yea he said it...and there is more where that came from!" I'm sure the late shows are going to have a field day.

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I see this in a similar light to when Kerry called the Bush people “crooked sons of ****es” or whatever he said.

Also similar to when Bush called the reporter a major-league A**hole.

Every time I see stuff like this on the news I think “Why is this news?” This is one of the most important things that happened today? You have a one hour show (with a little less than half of that being commercials), and you bump some other news item to put this in?

I mean I expect someone like Limbaugh to take these things and run with them, but why news networks?

If you were outraged at Kerry I guess you should be outraged now too. I really don’t care if any of these guys swear as long as it doesn’t create an international incident. I wonder what Cheney would LIKE to say to Chirac...

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Originally posted by fmorris

**Oh holier than thou one, thanks for your uptightedness. My guess is he's a big fan of Dick. One should be compensated for having to endure such psycho babble.

By the way, if the left had to suffer through that sort of blathering every time some one slips up, I'm sure they'd give Dick 'foul mouth' immunity.

Chill out there little camper. I liked the article for the fact that it gave several examples of members from both party's cursing. His conclusions as to why one was worse than another is certainly open for debate. But I don't believe it's worth gettin our panties all in a bunch.

None of it bothers me, as I could make a trucker blush sometimes.

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Originally posted by Ax

Chill out there little camper. I liked the article for the fact that it gave several examples of members from both party's cursing. His conclusions as to why one was worse than another is certainly open for debate. But I don't believe it's worth gettin our panties all in a bunch.

None of it bothers me, as I could make a trucker blush sometimes.

Me too Ax:laugh: I was just having some fun at condesending tone. I mean, come on:

"It has to do with the preservation of our civilization."

This is taking it pretty seriously.

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Wow I didn't think this thread would go on this long because I'd assumed the right wingers wouldn't take the bait. When Drudge reported Kerry used a bad word some here decided to posture and fake outrage over the mans word choice. This is the same thing now, but the roles have reversed.

Turn about is fair play.

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