Overrated Quarterbacks

[Redskinswhoopass]

Of course Mcnabb is way over-rated. What a rip off for him to go the probowl.

Brooks puts of quality #'s. no way is he overrated. someone was saying he puts up a lot INT's no way 48 TD's 18 ints last 2 years I would take that from any QB.

Tom Brady Runs he offense very well so i wouldn't say he is a greta Qb anywhere else but he is great for the system he is in.

Ramsey overated.. no way he gets no press and has great potentional, lead some 4th quater comebacks last year( with spurriers retarded offense)

Jack Delhome Underated: he put up some prestine passes in the SB and for that matter all season.

Culepepper Def. overrated. All his backups do way better. He just don't seem to get it. throw the ball to Randy ever time like the other Qb's do.

Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner Both overrated. Bulger put up alot of INT"S last year. His #'s should be better considering he is problay throwing into the WR corps in the league. 22 td's and 22 int not good #'s at all

Jon Kitna way underrated: Thanks for the great year, now your not the starter. That's crap..

David Carr overated: I'd take Ramsey over him.

I really not sure what people see in Quincy Carter, but the man can run that's it. He has a Cannon for an arm but can't hit a WR in stride. He throws lot's of ducks. Most of his deep balls miss even though the WR is wide open. Only reason he had semi- decent #s is the quality of WR's he was throwing too. They had to be wide open for him to hit them. 17td 21 int

[Drex]

Most Overrated: Jeff Garcia

[TerpsEagles]

Eric Carr overated: I'd take Ramsey over him.

[/b]

..Eric Carr ??????? Wasn't he the drummer that replaced Peter Criss in KISS ??????

..yeah, he was overrated

[bird_1972]

Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan]

How can you possibly say Kerry Collins is overrated when he isn't even rated? What I mean is, do you hear his name being mentioned with the top QB's? Is he given attention when people talk about top QB's? Never. He is considered a middle of the road QB. And that is about right for him. He has shown he can put up very good numbers but he needs a solid OLine. Something he only had with the Giants the year they went to the Super Bowl. But to say he is overrated when no one ever makes a big deal about him is crazy.

I'm not making any apologies about stating Collins as an overrated QB. I live in NYC where I hear about Collins all the time. My friends who are Giant fans unsuccessfully try to convince me he is the franchise QB that is not only adequate, but can even bring them a championship. I maintain that he is horribly inconsistent and can't always be depended upon to step up under pressure. They even say he is the best in the NFC East.

To me, that says he is overrated.

[Skins24]

Originally posted by jbooma

Football is a tough sport. You don't see the houston QB crying because of all the sacks he took his first year do you. Heck Ramsey didn't even finish the season Carr did that year.

Ramsey didn't finish (or start) because of Spurrier not because of Ramsey. BTW I have never heard Ramsey cry because of all the hits he took last year either. I do remember him always saying "It's just part of the game".

Truth be told, Hasselbeck showed a better command of the pro game -- reading defenses, finding open receivers -- than Ramsey did at certain times last year.

Which would explain his 63.6 qb rating in a watered down version of a system that didn't work :doh:

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Skins24

Ramsey didn't finish (or start) because of Spurrier not because of Ramsey. BTW I have never heard Ramsey cry because of all the hits he took last year either. I do remember him always saying "It's just part of the game".

Skins I was responding to what Ramseyskin said.

Tims rating is bad because of the Dallas game. If you look at his stats in 3 out of the 5 games he was close to 65% completion percentage. Take out the Dallas game it is a bit different

[Lurman]

If you're a 'name' NFL quarterback,

If you've been widely considered as an NFL MVP candidate (Vick, McNabb, Brooks, Collins),

And If you're name isn't Tom Brady

You're overrated.

[Flowtrain]

I'm going with Manning.

Yeah, we all know about how he and Marvin Harrison hook up for 8000 yards per season. But here's the thing. For some reason, I expect the "NFL's Best QB and NFL MVP" to play at his best against a tough D on the road in the playoffs. That shouldn't really be too much to ask -- but for Peyton, it is.

Not only is it too much to ask him to play his best in those spots, it's also apparantly too much to ask him to not play his WORST in such situations. Look at his last two playoff losses:

2003 @ NY Jets 0 TD (shutout), 2 INT, Rating = 31.2

2004 @ Pats 1 TD, 4 INT, Rating = 35.5

QB Ratings of 31.2 and 35.5 with SIX INTs? Those rank as 2 of his worst 4 ratings ever.

He's one of the better QBs in the league without question. But a player who receives his level of praise shouldn't sh!t the bed like he has in the playoffs, on the road, facing legitimate Ds.

[Skins24]

Originally posted by jbooma

Skins I was responding to what Ramseyskin said.

Tims rating is bad because of the Dallas game. If you look at his stats in 3 out of the 5 games he was close to 65% completion percentage. Take out the Dallas game it is a bit different

Take out Ramsey's bad games, and things are a bit different

2 out of those 3 games were against horrible teams.

2 out of those 3 games were lost.

[skinsfanforlife]

Originally posted by Flowtrain

I'm going with Manning.

Yeah, we all know about how he and Marvin Harrison hook up for 8000 yards per season. But here's the thing. For some reason, I expect the "NFL's Best QB and NFL MVP" to play at his best against a tough D on the road in the playoffs. That shouldn't really be too much to ask -- but for Peyton, it is.

Not only is it too much to ask him to play his best in those spots, it's also apparantly too much to ask him to not play his WORST in such situations. Look at his last two playoff losses:

2003 @ NY Jets 0 TD (shutout), 2 INT, Rating = 31.2

2004 @ Pats 1 TD, 4 INT, Rating = 35.5

QB Ratings of 31.2 and 35.5 with SIX INTs? Those rank as 2 of his worst 4 ratings ever.

He's one of the better QBs in the league without question. But a player who receives his level of praise shouldn't sh!t the bed like he has in the playoffs, on the road, facing legitimate Ds.

I dont know about being overrated but he throws way too many interceptions. way way too many. his TD to INT ratio is not great.

[jschlesi]

Funny all of the opinions that have been posted.

I am not sure you can say that Ramsey a second rounder is overrated when played with all his heart in a doomed offense with a doomed coach that got him pummeled. Ramsey, IMO opinion held the ball too long and was slow making decisions. But that does not make him overrated.

I think Brunell is better and will start.

As for Brady, he had no running game and yet still scored enough points to win for his team-- yes, he had the best defense around. He still had no help on the other on his side of the ball. He may not be the best QB in the league. But, I want him on my team.

Overrated a name that comes to my mind-- Akili Smith and Heath Shuler-- top twenty picks never heard from after draft day..

[ragintd]

My vote goes to McNabb. For a supposive ELITE QB. He ranked 9th in the NFC as a passing QB. Only 1 spot ahead of Patrick Ramsey. McHype is nothing but hype.

[galentjm]

Originally posted by Chachie

I agree that Kerry Collins is most overrated, with Jeff Garcia coming in second. Does anyone agree with me that Quincy Carter is underrated?

Quincy Carter underrated????? You've got to be a Cowboys fan. The man threw 21 interceptions last year. That number is evidence enough that he's a mediocre QB, but the fact that he only threw 17 touchdowns only further illustrates his own ineptitude.

[galentjm]

Originally posted by Hobo

i dont like the Patriots or Tom Brady, so ill say hes overrated. Gets waay too much press, 2 time super bowl mvp whatever. Without Belichick, the Patriots would be nothing, and neither would Tom Brady.

I agree with MacFlab as well.

You know you're right, winning two super bowls and being selected the MVP of both is reallly meaningless. I mean anybody could do that, right?:doh:

[Skins11]

Originally posted by jbooma

Football is a tough sport. You don't see the houston QB crying because of all the sacks he took his first year do you. Heck Ramsey didn't even finish the season Carr did that year.

Did you see Ramsey crying during the season because of all the hits? No, he took it like a man, he was like, "The guys are trying to make plays for me so it's my job to try to get it to them no matter what."

If you don't remember, Ramsey's foot was injured even before the season started. To reiterate, he played with a broken foot that he knew was broken. And he still wanted to play in every game.

By the way, Carr played in 12 games last year, while Ramsey played in 11. So much for your argument that Carr toughed it out more than Ramsey by finishing the season.

Originally posted by jbooma

Skins I was responding to what Ramseyskin said.

Tims rating is bad because of the Dallas game. If you look at his stats in 3 out of the 5 games he was close to 65% completion percentage. Take out the Dallas game it is a bit different

Yeah, very convenient to take out the Dallas game. One of the few good defenses Tim played against, and he did horrendously. Compare that to how Ramsey did against them - not great, but much better.

If you want to play with stats, then how about throwing away 4 of Ramsey's interceptions, 26 of his incompletions, and 5 of his completions, since that's what Hasselbeck did in that game.

Even without taking away the Dallas game... it's ridiculous to say that Tim did better... very myopic. It's about what happens in the games, not about statistics. As I recall, we were competing in every game Ramsey played in (except the Tampa game). I don't remember Hasselbeck mounting a near-successful come-from-behind drive.

For the people saying Ramsey is overrated on this board... Nobody here is saying he has done anything great yet. He has, though, proven he can do well and has the tools to succeed, and we see a bright future for him.

[BG]

Are we talking strictly current NFl QB's? If so, I'm gonna go with

1. Mcnabb of course

i would put QCard, but I don't think he gets any hype, so there for= not overrated

2. Payton Manning

Don't get me wrong. I think he is an incredible talent, but no one seems to bring up the fact that through his whole career, he chokes in the big game.

[Chachie]

galent jm-

I am NOT a Cowboy fan. I am a die-hard 'Skins fan. I know Quincy's numbers aren't great but all I hear is how he should not even be in the NFL. If he's THAT bad, would a man like Bill Parcells even THINK about playing him? I see a BIG arm and good feet. I hope you are correct about Carter. I'd like to believe that this year we won't get swept by "Quincy Carter" and "Mike Hambrick." It infuriates me that we couldn't stop THOSE two. Even with the sorry team we had last season.

[ibrahim]

McNabb

[tvan]

Originally posted by Chachie

I agree that Kerry Collins is most overrated, with Jeff Garcia coming in second. Does anyone agree with me that Quincy Carter is underrated?

I agree with JG being overrated.. But KC ??? Don't you have to be rated before you're overrated???:rotflmao:

[RTerps2002]

You guys who said McNabb kill me... I wish we had an overated QB who took us to the last 2 NFC championship game,... What makes him overated to many wins?

[skinsfanforlife]

Originally posted by RTerps2002

You guys who said McNabb kill me... I wish we had an overated QB who took us to the last 2 NFC championship game,... What makes him overated to many wins?

suuuuure, it was all mcnabb by himself that took the eagles to the nfc final games. Mcnabb played offense and defense i bet.

listen dude we are not talking about teams making it to championship games. we are taking about QBs as an individual.

we all agree that mcnabb gets way much hype for someone with avg numbers, inaccurate arm and the tendency to choke in meaningful games.

If you understood the topic of this thread then u would know why lot of us are saying mcnabb.

Personally would i want mcanbb on my team if he was available?

I swear to GOD i wouldnt. I ve always believed in your traditional pocket QB who thinks pass first, scamble second. I ve always thought this type of QB would be the super bowl caliber type.

[RTerps2002]

I do understand the topic and no McNabb is not the only player on the team... Mcnabb is the unquestioned leader of the team though and deservers credit for leading them to the Championship games... As for you not wanting him on your team well their is a fool born every day.

[galentjm]

Originally posted by Chachie

galent jm-

I am NOT a Cowboy fan. I am a die-hard 'Skins fan. I know Quincy's numbers aren't great but all I hear is how he should not even be in the NFL. If he's THAT bad, would a man like Bill Parcells even THINK about playing him? I see a BIG arm and good feet. I hope you are correct about Carter. I'd like to believe that this year we won't get swept by "Quincy Carter" and "Mike Hambrick." It infuriates me that we couldn't stop THOSE two. Even with the sorry team we had last season.

Carter definitely has a strong arm, but as we saw with Jeff George a cannon for an arm doesn't mean squat if you don't have the head game. As far as Carter's feet, he's mobile but he doesn't use it to his advantage correctly. He was sacked 37 times last year, and Dallas' line isn't bad. That leads me to believe that he has a problem with holding on the ball too long.

Parcells is going to play the best player at every position, much as Joe Gibbs does. However, if you examine the Dallas roster, QB is certainly not a position of strength. When the alternative is Hutchinson, I'd go with Carter too. If Carter were the answer the Cowboys would not have traded for Drew Henson.

And by the way......its Troy Hambrick (unless you were joking about that)

[illone]

Originally posted by jbooma

:laugh: :rotflmao: :laugh:

Man some of you I just wonder how many times you were dropped as a baby.

Answer me one question, If Belichick is so great then why couldn't he win with Bledsoe while having the same team??

ok another:

How was it possible that NE won another superbowl with out a start at WR or RB?

Tom Brady is how, 2 superbowls, 2 mvp's you are not overated but underated.

yea, I have a feeling Brady is going to be asking for peyton manning type loot soon. if any QB in the league deserves it other than manning it would be Brady.

I agree tho man, saying Brady is overrated doesn't make much sense. McNabb gets more attention than Brady.

[ArmchairRedskin]

If you ask me, Delhomme performed just as well, if not better than Brady did in the Superbowl. Delhomme perfomed better than Brady throughout the playoffs. I don't think Brady deserved the MVP award, and I certainly don't think he deserved the comparisons to Joe Montana that were being tossed about around that time. In my eyes he's overrated.