manichispanic Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 You can be overrated if you suck too..... If you are the 2nd to last passer in the league and you deserve to be last, you are over rated....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTerps2002 Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Around here it has to be Patrick Ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 I agree. I love Patrick Ramsey but we skins fans tend to talk about him like he's the second coming. Truth be told, Hasselbeck showed a better command of the pro game -- reading defenses, finding open receivers -- than Ramsey did at certain times last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz If anyone wants to bet me that McNabb won't surpass 3300 yards (passing) and have 20 TDs this season (contingent on him staying healthy), I'm here. Sounds interesting, I'm game. What do you suggest as far as wagers go? I've got a bookie for the regular season, so I'm not real interested in layin down loot persay, (especially since we don't know each other from squat) but I'd be down to do like a SIG type situation i.e. if I win, then for the entire next season you have to have a HAIL SKINS banner in your sig... something along those lines. Let me know peace, steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz He gets praise because he wins games. He may not have the best stats all the time, but he gets the job done when he needs to. Plus, he makes incredible plays that only he (maybe Vick) can make. If you want to look at stats, why don't people call Vick overrated? McNabb's stats in his 2nd year were better than Vick's in his 2nd year. And don't say he can't win "big games", because he has an above .500 record in the playoffs. I'm not sure how anybody wouldn't classify them as big games. I'd take McNair, Manning, and Brady over McNabb. I would consider Vick, but no one else. If anyone wants to bet me that McNabb won't surpass 3300 yards (passing) and have 20 TDs this season (contingent on him staying healthy), I'm here. What are you quoting me for? I didn't say he was over or under-rated. I just explained why McNabb is always mentioned as overrated by fans. You're barking up the wrong tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Originally posted by manichispanic You can be overrated if you suck too..... If you are the 2nd to last passer in the league and you deserve to be last, you are over rated....... Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinamatic Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 McNabb no question, He is highly over rated. I think Collins is over rated also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambone Posted April 6, 2004 Author Share Posted April 6, 2004 To be fair to McNabb, he hasn't had anyone to throw to. Atleast Daunte has had Moss and Carter. This year is judgement time for McNabb. I hope he does poorly, but I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 There's no such thing as overrated. It all comes down to whether you do the job or not. If you can't be a Quarterback, then don't Quarterback. I'm not going to put someone on my team who can't contribute. I have no room whatsoever to call someone overrated. Why? Because I could do half of what any of these guys do daily even if my life depended on it. Not one of us here could do what Brooks, McNabb, or Collins could do on that feild. We may be disappointed in there prefomance, but we damn sure have no room to say they are getting more respect then they deserve. Sheesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1SkinzFan Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Originally posted by tkatz We have been talking "overrated" but I feel as though many people overlook QB Aaron Brooks thus making him "underrated." I am objective enough to say that Brooks accuracy is suspect, if not strictly average. But accuracy is just one of many facets a QB has to him. Since taking over as a full time stater in 2001 Brooks has eclipsed the 3500 yard mark and 20td mark each year. 3832 yards, 3572 yards, and 3546 yards along with 26, 27, and 24 TD passes respectively. Brooks is also a threat to run, he has quickness as well as a nice burst. He has rushed for more then 175 yards in each of his three starting seasons as well as having at least one TD rushing. Although his rushing totals have declined in each of his three starting years it can be attributed to the fact that he has developed into more a pure passer relying on the run less and less. When talking about "underrated" players I believe it is important to list Aaron Brooks and not discount him for reasons such as not being a household name or publicized sports figure. Perfectly said. Brooks is always a threat, and to say he is overrated he outlandish. Talking overrated though, I would really have to go with Kerry Collins. Just like others, a few of my Giants friends like to think he is a great QB. People do not understand that it was the system, not the QB. Everybody knows he did nothing in Carolina. I wouldn't too much throw Jeff Garcia out there as overrated though, the guy is tough, and will play through more pain than mostly all of QBs would. Despite his age, he is also a threat when outside of the pocket. He is actually a better passer when he is scrambling. I also wouldn't so much throw Daunte in there, simply because, yes the backups did fine, but when you think about it, they ALSO have Randy Moss to throw the ball to. Daunte is also good out of the pocket, and will barrel people over with his size. Daunte has a cannon on him, that is for damn sure. When he is on, he is on, and when he is off, he is off. But he was still one of the most highly efficient QBs int he league last year. McNabb is definately overrated. Yes he can scramble and get out of the pcket, and works better on the run, as us Reskins fans oh so know too well, but he has absolutely no arm and little accuracy, we will see how TO affects his play this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowghost Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 McNuggit ****tail Collins Q Card In that order. Why ? Because they are our division rivals and it our job as Skins fan to look down on them. To the few that said PR, shame on you. Poor kid played in an offense that was very QB unfriendly. Its amazing that he is still healthy enough to play another season.:2cents: BTW :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washogskinz Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Another vote for McNabb. Rush Limbo was Right and paid the price for being politically incorrect. I can name 10 QB's that are better starting with McNair, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Originally posted by illone Sounds interesting, I'm game. What do you suggest as far as wagers go? I've got a bookie for the regular season, so I'm not real interested in layin down loot persay, (especially since we don't know each other from squat) but I'd be down to do like a SIG type situation i.e. if I win, then for the entire next season you have to have a HAIL SKINS banner in your sig... something along those lines. Let me know peace, steve Sounds fine to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz I'll put in my :2cents: for Aaron Brooks. He throws INTs, is inaccurate, and has all the weapons in the world yet fails to utilize them. That description fits the whole Saints team, not just Brooks. What the hell are they doing?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Ramsey? How can he be overrated... it's amazing that he's still going to play in the NFL after last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 i dont like the Patriots or Tom Brady, so ill say hes overrated. Gets waay too much press, 2 time super bowl mvp whatever. Without Belichick, the Patriots would be nothing, and neither would Tom Brady. I agree with MacFlab as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaSkinsNut Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 1. McNabb 2. Tom Brady 3. Kerry Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinamatic Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz He gets praise because he wins games. He may not have the best stats all the time, but he gets the job done when he needs to. Plus, he makes incredible plays that only he (maybe Vick) can make. If you want to look at stats, why don't people call Vick overrated? McNabb's stats in his 2nd year were better than Vick's in his 2nd year. And don't say he can't win "big games", because he has an above .500 record in the playoffs. I'm not sure how anybody wouldn't classify them as big games. I'd take McNair, Manning, and Brady over McNabb. I would consider Vick, but no one else. If anyone wants to bet me that McNabb won't surpass 3300 yards (passing) and have 20 TDs this season (contingent on him staying healthy), I'm here. Uh Vick had a broken leg for most of his second year. You cant possibly compare stats between the two for their second year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runs with Scissors Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 How many NFC quarterbacks would you take over McNabb? NFC is weak in QBs I think. James Thrash was McNabbs #1 WR the last 2 years,he comes here and people say he's just a good special teams player.But,some how McNabb was suppose to put up big numbers with a good special teams player as his go to guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfanforlife Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] How can you possibly say Kerry Collins is overrated when he isn't even rated? What I mean is, do you hear his name being mentioned with the top QB's? Is he given attention when people talk about top QB's? Never. He is considered a middle of the road QB. And that is about right for him. He has shown he can put up very good numbers but he needs a solid OLine. Something he only had with the Giants the year they went to the Super Bowl. But to say he is overrated when no one ever makes a big deal about him is crazy. I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfanforlife Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Originally posted by Hobo i dont like the Patriots or Tom Brady, so ill say hes overrated. Gets waay too much press, 2 time super bowl mvp whatever. Without Belichick, the Patriots would be nothing, and neither would Tom Brady. I agree with MacFlab as well. Brady overrated? this is the funniest thing ive heard. lol u just stated he is a 2 times super bowl MVP and u think he is overrated? ahhahahaha people talk about how mcnabb is overrated because he chokes in big games ..... all brady does is win big games. he knows how to win big games. thats how u distinguish good and great QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Ramsey . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Originally posted by ramseyskins Ramsey? How can he be overrated... it's amazing that he's still going to play in the NFL after last season... Football is a tough sport. You don't see the houston QB crying because of all the sacks he took his first year do you. Heck Ramsey didn't even finish the season Carr did that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 Originally posted by Hobo i dont like the Patriots or Tom Brady, so ill say hes overrated. Gets waay too much press, 2 time super bowl mvp whatever. Without Belichick, the Patriots would be nothing, and neither would Tom Brady. I agree with MacFlab as well. :laugh: :rotflmao: :laugh: Man some of you I just wonder how many times you were dropped as a baby. Answer me one question, If Belichick is so great then why couldn't he win with Bledsoe while having the same team?? ok another: How was it possible that NE won another superbowl with out a start at WR or RB? Tom Brady is how, 2 superbowls, 2 mvp's you are not overated but underated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nace14 Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 i said mcnabb earlier and then somebody said he never comes up big...4th and 23 i believe. that still doesn't take away that i think he is the most overrated, but all these guys are good. you can be a legit probowler and still be overrated. as far as brady goes, i hate everything about new england and brady (especially his prescence at the state of the union) but the guy wins football games and nobody says it's because he is the best qb, they say it's because he does the best thing for his team, which in my book makes him selfless and by definition underrated. if you win games by being less of a qb numberswise than you could be then you are doing everything right. all that being said, i hate you tom brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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