OURYEAR#56 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Skins24 lol, whether it's filled with water or lead...that's not the point. The point is they are teaching these kids early to hate. That's fact. Not proraganda. I hear you dog but we are Americans,we're better than this. Alright here comes the soap box special. We as Americans have been through this sh*t already. When it comes down to it, the fight is over resources that both parties think is valuable. Why can't they reach a compromise? We did here. I mean we still have along way to go as far as every one considering them selves equal, but atleast we're on the right road. Why aren't we trying to put these people are the right road? I don't know about you guys but when one side has full assualt helicopters and can fire on Palestinians with out discretion, there is something inheritly wrong with that picture. Look at the whole picture before you let your passions run wild. Alright I'm off my soap box. :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Is this gun real? So you would back african americans that bomb the Ku Klux Klan. They had little kids posing with confederate flags, and automatic machine guns. If I follow you logic then I'm justified in killing white people. Makes sense I guess. 1. This doesn't make sense. 2. What I think you're trying to say still doesn't make sense. Please explain in English. horrible comparison btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Funkyalligator Of course it isn't a real gun....but it is the concept of placing a weapon like that in the hands of a child during march to protest the killing of a known terrorist leader.. Have you ever seen American History X with Ed Norton? It's a great movie. It shows that hate can be conquered if you let the love in my man. Don't condemn the child, I'm sure if he was over your house he would drop the gun and look for the first thing that resembles a play station. The protest has to go on, it was dramatics that all.:high: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Skins24 Is this gun real? 1. This doesn't make sense. 2. What I think you're trying to say still doesn't make sense. Please explain in English. horrible comparison btw. How is it a bad comparison. People are using this picture to insite people to condemn all Palestinians. If I follwo your logic then pictures like this should lend crediance to killing the people that this picture represents. Unless you live next to the Unibomber you know that in our country kids have posed with guns at Ku Klux Klan rallies, Skin head rallies. So if I follow your logic every body that feels threaten by these groups should whipe out everybody that picture represent, whether they are innocent or not. You words dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 Why can't they reach a compromise? We did here. I mean we still have along way to go as far as every one considering them selves equal, but atleast we're on the right road. Why aren't we trying to put these people are the right road? I don't know about you guys but when one side has full assualt helicopters and can fire on Palestinians with out discretion, there is something inheritly wrong with that picture. Look at the whole picture before you let your passions run wild. Alright I'm off my soap box. :dallasuck 1. They've had countless compromises. Something (terrorist attacks) usually screws them up. 2. We've been trying to put these people on the right road for how long? But the hate is embedded into them. How do you change someone when they don't want to be changed? 3. So suicide bombings that target any and everybody are less dangerous than attack helicopters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 you know I think the their holy site is built on top of one of the jews holy site....hmmmmm...I guess that would the jews were there first...... yuck, now I have something that upon which I agree with you. Can any Terrorstinian supporters answer this? How do you explain the fact that the Muslim Holy Sites are built ON TOP of the Jewish and Christian ones? Kilmer oh Kilmer I don't know how you can stand up with such a big head. I'll let you in on something....the Jewish religion is not authentic. A lot of Ancient Egyptians religion, their beliefs and such can be correlated with the Tora. The Jews, or Kaananites incorporated some of the Egyptian religion into there own. You can see evidence of this fact after the Exodous. Remeber when the Jews built the calf.....that was Horus...I think, but either way it was the cow which is Horus the Goddess of life,or milk or what ever. Christianity used Judaism to validate their religion. Jesus was a jew that wanted to reform the religion. A lot of people believe Jesus did not set out to create a new religion, but thanks to twelve guys, minus Judus, the religion of Jesus and his teaching created a following. What can you say it happens. Islam was also a religion of reform (most of them are) and used saying in the bible to validate Muhammad's teaching and inturn created a following that went all the way back to Mecca. But all religions are a derivative from another. See it's people like you that think you have it right. That your beliefs give you the keys to heaven. Now I know some people treat you like a god on this site, but you are far from being the opnipotent being you wish to be. Get off your high horse. Religion is the understanding of our place in the universe, terrorism is just another failed attempt at trying to cope their place on the Earth. You are funny. That's my :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyster Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Hey OurYear... back to reality. When you're done bashing religions, I think the point they were making was who was there first, not whose religion is authentic or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 So to clarify, OY: YOU HATE JEWS. Just wanted to clear that up. We can ignore your posts on the matter from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallyG3 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 Have you ever seen American History X with Ed Norton? It's a great movie. It shows that hate can be conquered if you let the love in my man. Don't condemn the child, I'm sure if he was over your house he would drop the gun and look for the first thing that resembles a play station. The protest has to go on, it was dramatics that all.:high: You are completely missing the point still. Nobody is condemning the child. The sad thing about these pictures is that the children are being taught to hate and kill from the time they are born. They will know nothing else. It surrounds them. It is all they will see and all they will know. They will grow up in a culture of terrorists. There is nothing in this country that compares to that. Yes, there are evil people who teach their children evil things, but not on a scale like this. There is no chance to learn love and understanding because it doesn't exist in their society. That does not make either side right, it's just commentary on how utterly sad the whole situation is. It is a viscious cycle that doesn't seem to have an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Skins24 1. They've had countless compromises. Something (terrorist attacks) usually screws them up. 2. We've been trying to put these people on the right road for how long? But the hate is embedded into them. How do you change someone when they don't want to be changed? 3. So suicide bombings that target any and everybody are less dangerous than attack helicopters? Uhm yes helicopter with the capacity to whipe out a whole village is just a tad more dangerous. The suicide bombers are trying to get attention. Call it a failed childhood with regards to terrorism. They do stupid sh*t, but it's just another way to get our attention. It's like a little kid tugging on your coat trying to make you get them something on the top shelf, expect they do it with C-4 strapped to their bodies. You still didn't look hard enough at the reason they are so violent, but your 21, so you're young and have time to learn. Look at it like this dude, and don't do the read one line and immediately start typing b.s. Think first. If i told you that I want your home, and I'm going to give it to you at this price no compromise, and I had my boys armed to the teeth to drive home my proposition, would you feel it's a negotiation or a take over? All the Palestinians have is rocks, and "ultra religious people". The Jews have Black Hawk helicopters, is that a fair fight? They got tanks, etc, they just match into Palestine and swing their big balls all over the place. Why not give some weapons to the Palestinians? How can they defend themselves from this yahoo Sharon? You need to walk in somebody elses shoes....or maybe learn how to wear yours so you make your own footprints and not follow others. BTW :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Screw it...lets just wipe all the Palestinians off the face of the earth...seems to be the only way to stop the idiots from bombing the israelis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia...etc. all the Middle Eastern states enjoy having the Palestinians and hate having them at the same time...They enjoy having the palestinians around because it allows them to confront israel indirectly thus appeasing the militant islamists that preach the destruction of israel,...they hate the palestinians because of all the problems they cause......most arabs consider the palestinians the equivlent of white trash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Ghost of Tarius Hopkins So to clarify, OY: YOU HATE JEWS. Just wanted to clear that up. We can ignore your posts on the matter from now on. Why would you say that? Judaism is not a people it's a religion. I wish you people got that straight. When I say something that critizes the situation please don't think I hate the Jews. I have to face racism everyday whether at work or just casual life, do I hate caucasians, f*ck no. I'm a cool guy, I get along with people. I judge people fro who they are, not what I wish for them to be. Look (here I go with the philosophy 101) we are all in this together. Some how all of this has to make sense. Life can't just be the pursuit of money and fine women.....well maybe it could be about fine women. But seriously we are all in this together. How can a jew enter heaven if he hates, visa versa, how can a Muslim go to heaven if he hates? We have to understand each other, learn to live together, and then some day truly appreciate the people for who they are. People are people, we all have to over come some form of tribulation in order to become the people we are. Why can't we respect that. To make my point completely clear I do not do not hate any one. If my comments make you feel that I have a distaste for you, your religion, or disrespects you in any way let me know. That is not my intentions at all. Up with the Jews, up with everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovellj Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 This is really merely a tit-for-tat situation. The Palestinians have no army - they have no legitimate state with which to create one. As sick as it is, these radical terrorist forces are the ones who represent the closest thing they have to a miltiary contingent. Unfortunately, they represent a radical, right-wing minority that doesn't truly speak for the people, just like Al-Qaeda doesn't really speak for all Muslims. Over 92% of Palestinians believe that cooperation with Isreal is the only way they can create a peaceful, coexisting state. BTW - These terrorist bombings aren't the only incidents which break cease fires. Last summer I believe there was a ceasefire which was broken by the Israeli bombing of an apartment complex to get two terrorists, killiing 50+ civilians in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Funkyalligator Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia...etc. all the Middle Eastern states enjoy having the Palestinians and hate having them at the same time...They enjoy having the palestinians around because it allows them to confront israel indirectly thus appeasing the militant islamists that preach the destruction of israel,...they hate the palestinians because of all the problems they cause......most arabs consider the palestinians the equivlent of white trash... I was just thinking about this. Good point. The Palestinians are being used. But I think Syria and these other countries have a distain for the Jewish people, they will not capitalize from a Palestine state. This whole thing is a mess.:gus: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovellj Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by WallyG3 You are completely missing the point still. Nobody is condemning the child. The sad thing about these pictures is that the children are being taught to hate and kill from the time they are born. They will know nothing else. It surrounds them. It is all they will see and all they will know. They will grow up in a culture of terrorists. There is nothing in this country that compares to that. Yes, there are evil people who teach their children evil things, but not on a scale like this. There is no chance to learn love and understanding because it doesn't exist in their society. That does not make either side right, it's just commentary on how utterly sad the whole situation is. It is a viscious cycle that doesn't seem to have an end. While I am a little bit liberally sided on this, nothing sums up this situation any better than this sentence. It IS a vicious cycle that has NO apparent end because of the radicals on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by lovellj This is really merely a tit-for-tat situation. The Palestinians have no army - they have no legitimate state with which to create one. As sick as it is, these radical terrorist forces are the ones who represent the closest thing they have to a miltiary contingent. Unfortunately, they represent a radical, right-wing minority that doesn't truly speak for the people, just like Al-Qaeda doesn't really speak for all Muslims. Over 92% of Palestinians believe that cooperation with Isreal is the only way they can create a peaceful, coexisting state. BTW - These terrorist bombings aren't the only incidents which break cease fires. Last summer I believe there was a ceasefire which was broken by the Israeli bombing of an apartment complex to get two terrorists, killiing 50+ civilians in the process. Do you hear that oh mighty Kilmer. Let those without sins cast the first stone......put that stone down Kilmer. :whippin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Ghost of Tarius Hopkins They can't just go into many parts of Gaza. Sheesh. HELLO?! It would result in a battle that would take far more lives. Especially lives of Israeli soldiers, and you don't waste the lives of your own people. Wheelchair...who cares? Osama is on dialysis. Why are there different rules for the Jews than the ones we abide by? I said NO MORE MAFIA STYLE HITS! Its not that they shouldn't defened themselves, its that when they go and kill these targets they're killing inoccents in the process. I'm all for them taking out Hamas, but not at the expense of other peoples lives. That's just full for them to continue suicide bombing. The wheelchair thing might mean nothing to u, but wait until they bomb another bus stop and u'll see what i'm talking about. ----------------------------------- 0-16, 19-0, skins fan till i die!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Renegade They've been bombing bus stops BEFORE! They've been killing civilians since before there was a targetted killing policy. Yassin murdered his own brother and was the foundation of Hamas' evil. Mafia style hits. How would you do it? Do you know we did much worse in every war we've fought? When in war, you may attempt to reduce civilian casualties but you don't avoid them AT ALL COSTS. And the thing is, Israel is launching a war against Hamas now, that means this is not going to be an isolated event. But look at the Arab world---they've got mass demonstrations. The man was evil, but they support him. When was the last march Arabs that condemned Jewish children being blown up deliberately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Originally posted by Ghost of Tarius Hopkins Renegade They've been bombing bust stops BEFORE! They've been killing civilians since before there was a targetted killing policy. Yassin murdered his own brother and was the foundation of Hamas' evil. Mafia style hits. How would you do it? Do you know we did much worse in every war we've fought? When in war, you may attempt to reduce civilian casualties but you don't avoid them AT ALL COSTS. And the thing is, Israel is launching a war against Hamas now, that means this is not going to be an isolated event. But look at the Arab world---they've got mass demonstrations. The man was evil, but they support him. When was the last march Arabs that condemned Jewish children being blown up deliberately. I know suicide bombings have been goin on for a long time. But when we went to war with Iraq, we blew up military targets(buildings) and tried to capture all of the Iraqi Regim. We Caught Saddam, we're trying to Catch Bin Laden. Isreal needs to take a lesson and Catch somebody instead of just blowing them up. Saddam was evil, but we're still taking him to court. -------------------------------------------- 0-16, 19-0, skins fan till i die!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINZ_DOMIN8 Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 When in war, you may attempt to reduce civilian casualties but you don't avoid them AT ALL COSTS. Good........WE will use your own words to defeat you. The next time an Israeli civillian dies (which I hope never happens) at one of your OCCUPATIONAL CHECKPOINTS we can all claim it as a justified killing by your own definition. You are a piece of camel dung. Pure swine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Originally posted by Renegade7 I know suicide bombings have been goin on for a long time. But when we went to war with Iraq, we blew up military targets(buildings) and tried to capture all of the Iraqi Regim. We Caught Saddam, we're trying to Catch Bin Laden. Isreal needs to take a lesson and Catch somebody instead of just blowing them up. Saddam was evil, but we're still taking him to court. -------------------------------------------- 0-16, 19-0, skins fan till i die!!! But when you send them to meet allah, you don't have to go through the leftist court systems and watch them be released a year later. It's unbeliveable that anyone would defend a piece of sh!t with this record 4 October: A suicide bomber blows herself up in a packed Haifa restaurant, killing at least 19 people including three children. 9 September: Two separate suicide attacks leave at least 15 people dead and scores wounded in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. In the first attack, at least eight people were killed - including the bomber - at the entrance to the Tzrifin Israeli Defence Force base, near Tel Aviv. Hours later, a bomb attack outside a popular cafe in west Jerusalem left at least seven dead. 19 August: A suicide bomber wrecks a bus in Jerusalem, killing at least 20 people and injuring up to 100 others, in a serious blow to peace efforts. Hours later, Israel halts the handover of West Bank towns and cuts off contacts with Palestinians officials. 12 August: At least four people are killed and dozens injured in two suicide attacks by Palestinian bombers in Israel and the West Bank. In the first attack, an explosion rips through a shopping centre in the central Israeli town of Rosh Haayin near Tel Aviv, killing two people and injuring at least 10 others. Shortly afterwards, another suicide bomber blows himself up among a group of Israeli soldiers at a bus stop outside the Jewish settlement of Ariel, in the West Bank. 19 June: A suicide bomber kills himself and an Israeli man, owner of a grocery shop in Sde Trumot, a small village a few kilometres from the West Bank in northern Israel. 11 June: Sixteen people are killed in a bus bomb in Jerusalem, in the first suicide attack since US President Bush's peace summit a week before. It follows an Israeli air strike on 10 June aimed at killing Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in Gaza. Within an hour of the bus attack, Israeli helicopters launch another attack in Gaza, killing several people, reportedly including a top militant. 19 May: At least three people are killed and 18 injured in a suicide attack on a shopping mall in the northern Israeli town of Afula. The bomber is reported to have been a woman. Earlier, three Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip are injured when a suicide bomber riding a bicycle detonate explosives strapped to his body. 18 May: Seven people are killed when a suicide bomber blows himself up on board a bus in northern Jerusalem. A second attacker kills himself minutes later as emergency crews arrive but no-one else is seriously hurt. The blasts come hours after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon held the first talks with his Palestinian counterpart, Mahmoud Abbas, better known as Abu Mazen. 17 May: A Palestinian suicide bomber disguised as a religious Jew kills an Israeli man and his pregnant wife in the West Bank town of Hebron. An attacker targeted a popular nightspot in Tel Aviv 30 April: A suicide bomber attacks a popular cafe in Tel Aviv, just hours after a new Palestinian cabinet wins approval under Abu Mazen who has pledged to crack down on militants. At least four people including the bomber are killed and dozens more injured. 24 April: An Israeli security guard is killed as he confronts a Palestinian suicide bomber outside a railway station in the town of Kfar Saba. 5 March: A powerful bomb blast ripped through a bus in the northern Israeli city of Haifa, killing at least 15 people. About 40 people were wounded, some of them seriously, in the explosion. 5 January: At least 23 people are killed and 100 wounded when two suicide attackers set off charges in crowded, parallel and adjacent streets during rush hour in Tel Aviv, echoing an attack in July 2001. 2002 21 November: A suicide bomber blows himself up on a packed rush-hour bus in west Jerusalem, killing 11 passengers and injuring scores more. 21 October:A suicide bomber drives a jeep packed with explosives into a bus near Pardes Hanna, killing at least 14 people, as well as the bomber. 10 October: A suicide bomber kills himself and a woman in an attack on a bus stop near Tel Aviv. 19 September: A suicide attack on a bus in Tel Aviv kills five and injures more than 50. A sixth victim - a medical student from Scotland - dies from his injuries the following day. 18 September: A six-week lull in suicide bombings comes to an end, when an Islamic Jihad militant kills himself and an Israeli policeman in the north of the country. 4 August: At least 10 Israelis are killed in a series of violent incidents, including a suicide bomb attack on a bus near the northern town of Safad. 31 July: A bomb in the students' cafeteria at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem kills seven - five of them Americans - and wounds more than 80. 30 July: A suicide bomber kills himself and wounds several Israelis in a fast-food store in Jerusalem. 17 July: A double suicide bomb attack near the old Tel Aviv bus station leaves five dead, including the two bombers, and injures about 40. 19 June: Eight people die including the bomber and 35 are injured in a suicide attack at a bus stop in the French Hill neighbourhood of East Jerusalem. 18 June: A suicide bomber kills himself and 19 civilians in a bomb attack on a bus in southern Jerusalem. 5 June: At least 14 are people killed in an attack on a bus at Megiddo junction, near the border with the West Bank. A suspected suicide attacker is believed to have driven up in a car behind the bus and detonated a bomb. 19 May: Three Israelis killed and nearly 30 injured when suicide bomber disguised in Israeli army uniform blows himself up at market in Netanya. 7 May: Suicide bomber attacks social club in the town of Rishon Letzion, killing 16 people and injuring more than 50. The attack was claimed by the armed wing of Hamas. 12 April: A suicide bomb attack at a bus stop in West Jerusalem, kills the bomber and six other people and injures about 50 more. 10 April: A suicide attack on a bus travelling near the Israeli city of Haifa kills at least eight people and injures dozens more. 31 March: Bomber attacks restaurant in Haifa, northern Israel, killing himself and 14 Israeli Jews and Arabs. On the same day, another bomber kills himself and wounds four people in an attack on an office for paramedics at the Jewish settlement of Efrat, south of Bethlehem. 27 March: In the Israeli resort of Netanya, a bomber blows himself up at a hotel, killing 28 Israelis celebrating Passover. The attack claimed by the armed wing of Hamas was the deadliest since the beginning of the uprising. 20 March: Seven people killed in a suicide bomb attack on a bus carrying mainly Arab labourers near the northern town of Umm el-Fahem. 9 March: At least 11 people killed and 50 injured in suicide bomb attack on a crowded cafe in west Jerusalem, near the official residence of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. 2 March: Nine people killed including two babies, and 57 injured after suicide bomb attack in an ultra-Orthodox area of Jerusalem. 27 January: Two people - one a female suicide bomber - die in an attack in a busy shopping area of central Jerusalem. 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Anyone, Has OY said anything intelligent in this thread, or has he warped and twisted to the point that it was a white cop that fired the misslle a the piece of sh!t? THe ignore feature is a great thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Originally posted by SKINZ_DOMIN8 Not an occupation? Who gave Israel their "land"? And who was living their before Israel? And who legally lives their now? And who gave Israel the majority of their weapons and jets? If another country took over Texas or Hawaii would that not be defined as an "occupation"? (And would we not do some of the same things the so-called "terrorstinians" are doing now? You mean another country like the Commanche's taking over Texas or the Hawaiian's taking over Hawaii? Outrageous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Originally posted by Sarge Has OY said anything intelligent in this thread, or has he warped and twisted to the point that it was a white cop that fired the misslle a the piece of sh!t? No to both, Sarge, but you're missing gems like this: From one of OY's posts:I'll let you in on something....the Jewish religion is not authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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