Trung24 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 And I still say Lavar doesn't want to play for Gibbs or anybody that isn't going to let him "get his freak on". He posted monster numbers under Marvin Lewis but did nothing but ***** and moan. I find it odd that all was tranquil til Gibbs came back and started his master plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkNC Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 LaVar's agents and by extention of that LaVar had the opportunity to read the contract. They did not. This is not a Earl the Paint Man's contract for a $199 paint job this was for ten's of millions. There is no excuse that if the contract did not something in it they wished it to have it was not addressed prior to the contracts signing. I have not turmed on LaVar, I have never thought he was a good pick at #2, I have never felt he has been a all-pro worthy player, I have always thought his net positive contribution to this team becoming successful has been minmal. To me this just helps prove I have always been right about him. He is immature he is not a great asset to the Redskins. Let's hope we are able to part company with him as a result of this folly. If it happens I will laugh my ass off at him because he will never get paid again like the contract the team DID sign him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins Seventy Chip Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 I believe that his agents made a mistake when negotiating. They obviously are careless, as they admitted that they didn't read the final version of the contract. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that they were confused about the entire amount of the contract during negotiations and that the extra 6.5 million dollars was actually never in the contract at all. They may have promised Arrington one amount, while negotiating for a lesser amount and not even realized the difference until a month after signing the contract. Well, they can't tell Arrington they made a mistake for fear of getting fired and/or sued, which would have the effect of ruining their careers. The only out they have is what they are doing now, blaming the Redskins. They must be doing some sell job to Lavar, especially with this 666 nonsense. They are taking advantage of his religious beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinamatic Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by Samuels I think Danny pulled a fast 1 No way they pulled a fast one. Think about it. Everything is in writing. It would be way to easy to get caught. You Read the contract, if its not what you agreed upon, then you walk away from it. Its that easy. There is no smoke and mirrors. Its all in black and white. As far as I am concerned, the contract that the Skins have with Lavar is binding. He is making more money than most people do in a lifetime. This is making Lavar and the Postons look bad not the FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty P For The Pulitzer Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 These are strong accusations by him. His agents are obviously influencing his thinking. How do you know Snyder and his staff tried to pull a fast one? Maybe they didn't realize that they actually agreed to the bonus, maybe this miscommunication Lavar is talking about is that Lavar's camp thought it was going to be included while Snyder's camp thought they agreed to the deal without it. At least he admitted he should have looked it over more carefully, because it is his fault. I find it hard to put the blame on Snyder if there isn't any hard proof that he purposely left it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinNoble Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Trade him? Look, he's not paid to be a genius or anything... and for the most part, he's a good citizen. So he's ticked about his contract... no big deal... but he's easily one of the most talented LB's in the league, and the Redskins should at least talk to him about his grievance and see if something can be worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkNC Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 So let me get this straight Samuals; Dan Syder intentinally pulled a fast one on a guy that he was going to have on the team for the next 8 years? That is plain idiotic business, Dan my be many things but being stupid at business is not one of them. Please explian to me how Dan or anyone in the Redskins organization would have thought that swindling your supossedly signature player would be smart business? Um, not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Sounds like he needs a new agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chet06 Posted March 19, 2004 Author Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by Riggins Seventy Chip I believe that his agents made a mistake when negotiating. They obviously are careless, as they admitted that they didn't read the final version of the contract. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that they were confused about the entire amount of the contract during negotiations and that the extra 6.5 million dollars was actually never in the contract at all. They may have promised Arrington one amount, while negotiating for a lesser amount and not even realized the difference until a month after signing the contract. Well, they can't tell Arrington they made a mistake for fear of getting fired and/or sued, which would have the effect of ruining their careers. The only out they have is what they are doing now, blaming the Redskins. They must be doing some sell job to Lavar, especially with this 666 nonsense. They are taking advantage of his religious beliefs. The real question is can anyone say for sure that the Poston's made a mistake in reality..or did they in conjuntion with Danny do a number on Lavar..i.e. at the end of the day I think that they (Postons) may have admitted fault and will eventually absolve the Skins of any wrongdoing..no proof everything is heresay...But their career is far from ruined...Lavar's bad mouthing of the Postons will do less to hurt their career than the Skins blackballing them and by extension a lot of other teams because the NFL ownership is an ol boys club with cliques. More importantly, the Postons get a lot of goodwill from the Skins and Danny that does not go unnoticed. Conversely, the Postons could be just bumbling idiots? Regardless, Lavar is to blame for not looking after his own interests and hiring the wrong people. I haven't heard the Postons say booo against the Skins yet publicly - just Lavar. He needs to get better agents that can stand up to the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeskinsfan Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 There is no way Snyder and the Redskins tried to pull a fast one on Lavar. Snyder has always shown his willingness to spend whatever money he has to put together a winning team (to a fault by some peoples reasoning). Snyder lives to sign free agents. If he started trying to cheat people in their contracts, how many free agents would be coming to Washington? It makes absolutely no sense that Snyder would intentionally try to pull a fast one to save 6.5 million (that's minor change to Snyder when a star player is involved). With this said, if Lavar continues to publically call Snyder a liar and a criminal, he has to be traded (not sure what the cap hit would be). Lavar's public rants could hurt our ability to attract free agents, and to Snyder, this isunacceptable and would have to be dealt with (just like the TO cancer had to be dealt with by San Fran). Also, Lavar's mention of the 666's makes him look like a fool. Even if this was the case, he should have never publicly admitted it. Lavar is a public figure and he should start acting like one if he wants to be taken seriously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 This will all be worked out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezings81 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by Renegade7 :whippin: What's wrong with you!?!? He missed somethin on the contract and he said its not goin to hinder his play on the feild, the fans, or the coaching staff. I'm still partically confused on how we was supposed to get $6.5 mill, but he said it wouldn't effect his play and he was ready to win. He's always ready to win, and with him being the best player on this team, we can't just trade him! :hammer: And enough about this crap about he doesn't deserve the money! He has the talent, the attitude, and the will to win to make him a hof player. He's earned that money and for what he's giving out there everyday you can't ask him to take a pay cut! He's worth every dime we pay him! :soapbox: ------------------------------------ 0-16, 19-0, skins fan till i die!!! LOL, I was joking!!! I was just predicting what other people on this site would say...making fun. Please don't ban me :paranoid: Me personally... I do get tired sometimes of what comes out of LaVar's mouth considering his quality of play, but I can't blame him if he was ripped off out of 6.5mil. Plus, maybe his quality of play has lacked because of the different coaches blah blah blah... I think for the most part, he's been going about this the right way with saying that it won't effect his job performance and that he knows the difference between the business side of things and what he is getting paid for. But, all in all, I'm getting tired of hearing him talk about anything... I wish he would just go on vacation or something, and keep out of the media. Let your play do the talking. But, obviously he can't do that considering his past performances. Actually, I'm tired of hearing any of the Redskins players talk the talk, time to walk the walk already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by FranklinNoble Trade him? Look, he's not paid to be a genius or anything... and for the most part, he's a good citizen. So he's ticked about his contract... no big deal... but he's easily one of the most talented LB's in the league, and the Redskins should at least talk to him about his grievance and see if something can be worked out. No big deal? You don't air your dirty laundry in public and try to make the guy who signs your paycheck look bad. That automatically makes you the red-headed stepchild. If he refuses to talk about it to the media and just says something along the lines of "I have faith that this will all get worked out" THEN I would consider him a team guy and solid citizen. I'm not begrudging his right to protest his contract but I firmly state that he is going about it in the worst way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qb18_200400 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by KirkNC LaVar. Should I continue to spout my opinion? He has NEVER played up to his hype for 60 minutes let alone a season. This is disgraceful and a joke on his behalf. He should be taking the contract he got and be laughing all the way to the bank. He is not worth a third of it. I honestly hope that the conclusion of this is that the new contract gets set aside. If so we deal his ass. I would be happy to have a couple picks and send his celeb ass a packing. you gotta be kidding me right? what are you on man! two straight pro bowls, four straight years of new coaches! what is wrong with you man.:finger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugs' Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Listen, Lavar just might be the type of player that gets jeleous when others are getting more attention (Gibbs, Portis, Brunell)....and he is stirring up some stuff to put the spot light back on him.... :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfanjoe Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by KirkNC LaVar. Should I continue to spout my opinion? He has NEVER played up to his hype for 60 minutes let alone a season. This is disgraceful and a joke on his behalf. He should be taking the contract he got and be laughing all the way to the bank. He is not worth a third of it. I honestly hope that the conclusion of this is that the new contract gets set aside. If so we deal his ass. I would be happy to have a couple picks and send his celeb ass a packing. :rant: :pooh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezings81 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by Bugs' Listen, Lavar just might be the type of player that gets jeleous when others are getting more attention (Gibbs, Portis, Brunell)....and he is stirring up some stuff to put the spot light back on him.... :whoknows: I wish he'd get more attention from his play on the field. Other than what comes out his mouth before games, after games, and in the offseason :gus: Edit: Actually, this goes true for ALL of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDane Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by longtimeskinsfan Also, Lavar's mention of the 666's makes him look like a fool. Even if this was the case, he should have never publicly admitted it. Lavar is a public figure and he should start acting like one if he wants to be taken seriously! LaVar, Deion, and Sean Gilbert would make one mean bible study class. I like LaVar, and this is tainting my image of him. I hope this issue dies quietly like the Postons' careers. The only facts I know are that LaVar is making some noise and the Postons are admitting their ineptitude. I do find it hard to believe that a rational and successful businessman like Snyder would engage in such gross contractual deception. But, there are a lot of facts yet to be divulged. Hopefully we'll look back on this one day and laugh. Laugh like "oh, that silly LaVar, what will he think of next?" Not laugh like, "oh, man, remember Sean Gilbert and his 'god told me not to' crap? Then we traded him to that expansion team from Carolina? Man, that was some funny $h!t." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMac Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 My feelings on this whole mess is not about if he is owed the money or not. I love Lavar but I seriously doubt he would get the same contract anywhere else. He has not played up to it yet. I simply think the media has built him up to something he is not and has not been yet and that is a dominant LB. Yes he is good but he is not someone our team would crumble over if he left. Take the 20mil upfront money and prove your worth already!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 I have a question about all of this. I can't remember what paper or source reported it but wasn't it reported that Poston initialed every page(giving his approval) of LaVar's contract? If that's true, LaVar better deal with his agent before saying anything else on the matter. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by jbooma I love how fast all the fans are turning on him. If you were in his shoes and your boss said we were going to give you 6.5 million bonus, and then when you got your contract it wasn't in there. Are you seriously trying to say you wouldn't fight for what you were promised :doh: No I wouldn't fight If I was STUPID enough to sign a contract that I hadn't read. If he can't read then his agent should have read it. Come Lavar this guy is getting a big fee to negotiate your deal and represent you...make him earn his money and quit making excuses as to why you and your agent SIGNED a contract that you didn't read....Basicallly Lavar....:stfu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezings81 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by RonJeremy No I wouldn't fight If I was STUPID enough to sign a contract that I hadn't read. If he can't read then his agent should have read it. Come Lavar this guy is getting a big fee to negotiate your deal and represent you...make him earn his money and quit making excuses as to why you and your agent SIGNED a contract that you didn't read....Basicallly Lavar....:stfu: You have to remember that he restructured his contract to make cap space for the better of the team, so if the team in return screwed him, that would be upsetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 He received a signing bonus of 20 million and is sniveling for a friggin roster bonus? Hopefully the skins win and that money can go to getting mid tier players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstahl Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by geezings81 You have to remember that he restructured his contract to make cap space for the better of the team, so if the team in return screwed him, that would be upsetting. I guess I just do not get how the team screwed him. Basically, it seems that he signed an 8 year 60+ million contract that he did not read and did not contain what he thought it did. It seems he agrees the contract he signed is the one the league has thus the issue is that the contract should have been read completely. IF the team is trying to pull a fast one then it should be obvious when the contract is read and one would not sign it (thus the team has him under a cap unfriendly deal and headed for free agency). If this was an omission then again reading it would have cleared it up on the spot and both sides could have resolved the misunderstanding or mistake. Right now he is thinking he is owed something from a phone call yet the evidence looks to show the contract he actually signed (and initialed every page) has no mention of this money. I just bought a house and understand large amounts of paper work that require lots of signatures but I am well aware that if I sign a piece of paper I am agreeing to what it says and not some other version of the facts that I have in my mind. If I felt I did not understand something or was not comfortable with a clause or document, I get a lawyer to advise me (and for the right money they would sure be available when needed). So again, I am just not sure how this is a fast one being pulled on him when there is a seemingly clear contract (no one seems to be disputing the actual contracts validity) in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 If Lavar's claims are accurate, it's a real shame that the Skins would do that to him when he was restructuring for their benefit. He could have held them up and sat on their cap, but instead he worked out a deal. It sounds really shady on Snyder's part, but that said- Lavar needs to fire his agent. He can be mad at Snyder, try to fight the contract, and think he is a jerk, but the bottom line is it is Potson's job to watch his back- not Snyder's. If everyone was going on the honor system, why would the players need agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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