big z Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 is there anyone here that if they were signing a multimillion dollar contracts wouldn't go over it a bazillion times to make sure all is well? i would. or at least make sure my agent did. his agents owe him the money. let them pay it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspkikn Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Why would I sign a contract that didn't have a 6.5 M bonus in it if they had promised it? I have never seen any of these player contracts, but I've got to believe it would be easy enough to notice a missing 6.5 mil bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspkikn Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 I would also think if the skins thought they made an error, they would be quick to fix it. Like I said before, his contract numbers likely require another adjustment in 2006 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgunner Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 He is our best defensive player. We should make it right with him and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugs' Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 This makes me think of when my wife and I bought our house....we went over the paperwork at settlement very carefully and caught a couple of mistakes that would of cost us hundreds of dollars...we felt good signing the contract after that....we also gave our agent a piece of our mind after settlement that she did not pick those mistakes out....I have no sympathy for Lavar or his agent regarding this matter....I have said all along I would of rather invested that money into Champ than Lavar as I think Champ has been more of an impact player than Lavar for us...and I don't want to hear that crap about Lavar having so many different coordinators, blah blah blah, well, so did Champ....look over your damn contract... :soapbox: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qb18_200400 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by jbooma I love how fast all the fans are turning on him. If you were in his shoes and your boss said we were going to give you 6.5 million bonus, and then when you got your contract it wasn't in there. Are you seriously trying to say you wouldn't fight for what you were promised :doh: Ok so maybe Lavar and his agent look bad, but how does the FO look when all they have to say is there was a mistake here is the money. Some of you wonder why Danny gets bad pub, and just to think it would get better under Gibbs. right on the money. This is our Franchise(LaVar). $6.5 million is nothing to us remember. If we can just go out and spend money on players who haven't been here and played through four different defensive coordinators and four coaches like LaVar has, why is it so hard to give LaVar the $6.5 million. Damn, he's proved himself day in and day out. Sham on you who are turning on him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by Art He has a $6.5 million bonus due him already in 2006. It is utterly impossible to seriously contend or have anyone seriously believe there was a SECOND $6.5 million bonus for the same thing. Why wouldn't it JUST be $13 million? If Lavar were to have contended the extra $6.5 was due in 2005, sure, he might be convincing. But, he's trying to tell people the Redskins were offering him TWO identical $6.5 million roster bonuses in the same season? It's got to be a joke . I saw this reported in the Washinton Times. But how do we know that in the Times' infinite wisdom, they're not double dipping by looking at the Postons' initial press release that claimed that the $6.5M bonus was due in 2006? If so, the Times' counter argument actually bolsters Lavar's claim. Forget who's legally correct, who believes in the devil, who's disrespected, who's negligent and who's sneaky. If there was ever a time to split the difference and call it a day, I'd say this is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by jbooma Art I believe that is what they are fighting over. I don't think the contract that is signed has the 6.5 bonus in it. I might be wrong since I haven't seen the actual contract. According to WTEM right now that 6.5 does not exist, this is what Lavar is fighting them over. JB, I've not seen the contract. I've no idea. We've seen direct reporting that one $6.5 million roster bonus is in the contract. But, it's the Times, so it's hard to say how accurate that is. Lavar's case of being mislead looks a WHOLE lot better if there's no $6.5 million bonus in 2006. He still can't win, but, if that's the case, he can be upset and sour and poison the waters some here. If, however, there IS a 2006 bonus ALREADY of this amount, then Lavar's problem is he's making stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 This is getting uglier by the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstahl Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by geezings81 Trade Him. Damn, with this kind of crap coming out of his mouth, I agree, trade him to someone who will show him the kind of love he wants (with lots of $$$$). He already has more money than many of us will see in a lifetime, give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by geezings81 Trade Him. :whippin: What's wrong with you!?!? He missed somethin on the contract and he said its not goin to hinder his play on the feild, the fans, or the coaching staff. I'm still partically confused on how we was supposed to get $6.5 mill, but he said it wouldn't effect his play and he was ready to win. He's always ready to win, and with him being the best player on this team, we can't just trade him! :hammer: And enough about this crap about he doesn't deserve the money! He has the talent, the attitude, and the will to win to make him a hof player. He's earned that money and for what he's giving out there everyday you can't ask him to take a pay cut! He's worth every dime we pay him! :soapbox: ------------------------------------ 0-16, 19-0, skins fan till i die!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Have the Redskins made any official statements about all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nace14 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 bottom line here is that his agent would be found neglegent in a court of law for not performing his duties as a legal advisor in a contract negotiation. i hope the only reason he is making all this comotion is get the agents to admit to having discussed the bonus, having agreed on the bonus, but having neglected to do their stupid job and make sure their was a bonus so that lavar can sue them for the 6.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chet06 Posted March 19, 2004 Author Share Posted March 19, 2004 Lavar gets a solid A for being a fool, worked for Snyder since 2000, and does not even or his agent does not carefully read the document. Maybe it was an error on the Skins' part but once they saw that Lavar and his agent were so oblivious they capitalized on it. Actually I would not be surprised if they left it out purposely...hell I am not sure about anything because it is all conjecture at this point because non of us were privy to the discussion. However, I would not put it past Snyder to do something like that......believe me...and read between the lines! MEMO to LAVAR: "Caveat Emptor" buddy or buyer beware. Maybe you should should spend less time learning to cut wood on Trading Spaces on the Learning Channel, and spend the time READING YOUR CONTRACT. I am amused at all these dumb (or actually smart in one sense) money grubbing agents that don't even have a college education - e.g. tank black and Master P. that bilk these NFL Players for millions. The problem in some instances is that the player's don't realize who the agents' real client is. The TEAM or the PLAYER. Think about it??? An interesting parallel in the investment banking world - a company like IBM (that issues securities) is the real client to an investment bank because they keep paying fees as they keep coming to the market to raise new money. The bank wants to get the highest valuation for the company at the expense of their so called valued investors. The poor investors like the NFL players gets hosed by the system. For better or worse that is life - on one level I feel that Lavar should have gotten what he was promised verbally, if he was at all, but the more important issue is that his naivety is not the fault of the Redskins. I would not at all be surprised if the Skins, 49ers, the Browns etc were all in cohoots with the agents in the Lavar, Owens and Northcutt fiascos. At the end of the day the teams keep dealing with the agents and put dinner on the agents' dinner table. (the best steak dinners) Just for the record I like Lavar but why go crying to the media about this.......go through arbitration sees what happens and if this does not get settled in your favor....thats life......you still are making tons of money and you are hopefully a little smarter after the experience....make that a lot smarter...hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by Om Have the Redskins made any official statements about all this? Good question. I would think they would deny it since they are going to an arbritrator. I can't see them coming out in public and said "we did that" then go to the judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Some of you guys are the worst fans I've ever seen. You demand players be loyal but you are a buch of backstabbing haters. read the whole post, Lavar loves the city wants to play here and says this won't affect his play. No sitting out, no whining. The man feels cheated and is doing things the right way thru the proper channels. He hasn't insulted anyone on the team, only stated he feels disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkNC Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 LaVar. Should I continue to spout my opinion? He has NEVER played up to his hype for 60 minutes let alone a season. This is disgraceful and a joke on his behalf. He should be taking the contract he got and be laughing all the way to the bank. He is not worth a third of it. I honestly hope that the conclusion of this is that the new contract gets set aside. If so we deal his ass. I would be happy to have a couple picks and send his celeb ass a packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DaysLatr Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Here's my problem with the entire episode. Arrington is claiming that the Skins promised him money that wasn't in his contract and that this is proven by his refusal to sign an original deal that had the inclusion of some combination of 6s that made him uncomfortable. I agree whole-heartedly with Lavar in the refusal to put his signature to a document with the mark of the beast upon it. However, if Arrington was being so careful about the wording and figures in this contract and had hired representation to go over the parameters of the contract as well, how did this ommision go by unnoticed? I just am having a very hard time believing that a team that has made so many extravagant purchases through free agency is now guilty of fraudulently writing up a contract and then denying that to be the case. Real hard to believe for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Foozball is the Debil! (I can't BELIEVE no one said this yet. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstahl Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by jbooma So if you signed a contract that your work gave you and your bonus or raise wasn't in it, you wouldn't get mad?? The point is to not sign it in the first place. They put the contract on the table you review it and say the bonus is missing. They can either draw up another or say that is their offer. At that point you can walk away. If you sign a contract for X millions of dollars you should get a copy right on the spot also. Second, if you have lawyer representing your interest with the company (which is what an agent is), you sure as hell have this agent present and have them review the contract for omissions and correct terms prior to you signing. This is millions and millions of dollars you bet I have my agent review the actual contract prior to signing to ensure it is exactly as expected (that is what they do). I then get a copy of that actual contract that I signed because that is the deal I am agreeing to, no matter what somebody said over the phone. This is why there are contracts and we do not rely on verbal agreements. This is like 10% of the value of a 60+ million dollar contract you'd think the agent (or Lavar) would have verified the basic payment structure even if they did not read every word (1/2 hour is sure enough time to spot a 10% omission) and ask about it. My two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by ECU-ALUM Eventually things will get worked out...although I do give Lavar credit...he is not taking this out on the coaches or the fans. Give LaVar credit for not taking it out on the coaches and the fans? They have nothing to do with his contract. That's like saying give Jane Fonda credit for not offending the people of Hanoi, or Norway for that matter. The fact that he continues to do interviews on it in public does NOT bode well for him staying with the Skins. If I'm Snyder and LaVar is out there calling me a liar in public, I'm going to find a way to get rid of him. I don't believe for a minute this will be worked out nicely. There is no way this can be a win-win situation. If the Skins win, LaVar will make Terrell Owens look like Mother Teresa. If LaVar wins, he will probably get traded, or worse yet for the fans and the team, get cut before he could collect that roster bonus. The other part about this I hate is James Brown. Wednesday, I listened to his "interview" with Ty Law in an hour long rant about his whiney-ass situation. Now JB has LaVar on? Talk about a guy trying to stir up some shiite! I understand ratings but promoting this kind of thing is bad for football. If the mediots would refuse to write about contract squabbles and players b!tching about their salaries, things would probably get worked out a lot quicker. At this point, I have to put LaVar in the same category as Ty Law and Ter-RELL Owens. They are nothing but whiney-arsed prima donnas. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Damn i think he stated his case very well. Some times you just have to look at all the details in the comments to recognize who is being the most truthful. sad really......... Everyone must remember this is before the hiring of Gibbs so in essence things will change for sure. But that was a sign of maybe the direction we were headed in before we got Gibbs to come back..(whether anyone wants to believe it or not) Granted, I personally don't like the Polstons. This really probably doesn't have to go to arbitration if the Skins can hash it out. If Lavar had been screaming from the top of his lungs he was ripped off and he wasn't going to take it then i'd support trading him, but hopefully the FO can resolve this before the season. I mean if they were willing to pay him more in the first place ripping him off isn't gonna get you anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by gstahl The point is to not sign it in the first place. They put the contract on the table you review it and say the bonus is missing. They can either draw up another or say that is their offer. At that point you can walk away. If you sign a contract for X millions of dollars you should get a copy right on the spot also. Second, if you have lawyer representing your interest with the company (which is what an agent is), you sure as hell have this agent present and have them review the contract for omissions and correct terms prior to you signing. This is millions and millions of dollars you bet I have my agent review the actual contract prior to signing to ensure it is exactly as expected (that is what they do). I then get a copy of that actual contract that I signed because that is the deal I am agreeing to, no matter what somebody said over the phone. This is why there are contracts and we do not rely on verbal agreements. This is like 10% of the value of a 60+ million dollar contract you'd think the agent (or Lavar) would have verified the basic payment structure even if they did not read every word (1/2 hour is sure enough time to spot a 10% omission) and ask about it. My two cents. Sounds right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 I think Danny pulled a fast 1 and it was agreed to beforehand no way LaVar goes thru all this trouble if not. It is LaVar and his agents fault for not reading it no doubt. I have read the NFL league personal were shocked at the contract and how cheap he signed. I've read its like a 800k raise from his old contract and guarenteed money already due. I don't no how true it is but i've heard it more then once. The Redskins better hope he does'nt need a restructure cause they'll have to cut him and I don't blame him 1 bit. Now Danny go get us Warren Sapp on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatFischer37 Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 I dont think LT would have ever argued about 666 in his contract...thats what made him great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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