WVUorFU Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 All of you that think it is a bad trade are stupid. 1. Don't second guess Joe Gibbs. The living legend, the Hall of Famer. If he wanted Champ, then Champ would not be in Denver right now. 2. Portis is only 22 years old, he's not another Peion Sanders or Bruce Smith. He is one of only 3 running backs in NFL history to get 1500+ yards in thier first two seasons. The other two? Jim Brown and Walter Payton, good company. His 5.5 per yards a carry is tops in NFL history. He is the real deal. 3. While a great corner can make a game changing play once in a while, a great running back can dominate games every week. Points wins games, Portis scores.. 29 TDs in first two years. 4. Champ Bailey is overrated, YES he is. I had the pleasure of watching him get burnt last season. As i was at every home game. He has been Amani Toomers pocket ***** for the last 3 years. Terry "soft" Glenn abuses him. And even Marty Booker tosted him and made him leave the game in the first quarter with a scratch on his face, what a baby. Fred Smoot had a lot better year last year and deserved the Pro Bowl..look at the stats and see. 5. For those of you that say Portis is only good in Denver's system. Remember, that Joe Gibbs was busy winning Super Bowls with 3 DIFFERENT running backs when Mike Shannahan was in diapers. Yes he also Had 3 DIFFERENT veteran QBs, the explains why Brunnel is in DC..to win another Super Bowl. Also, Joe Bugel is the best O-line coach..remember the Hogs? 6. And finally, the free agent CBs this year are abundant and great. The Redskins will sign one, mark my word. Most likely it will be Antoine Winfield. But other FA's include Taylor, Vincent, Plummer, and Ty Law might be released if he does not restructure. In conclusion..........BOOOOOOOOYAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUorFU Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 disclaimer: some of that stuff might be wrong, but you get the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffSchmeff Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Yeah, right off the bat #2 is wrong. I know for a fact that after two seasons, both Earl Campbell and Eric Dickerson had more total rushing yards than Portis does. Did you just pull that one out of your a$$? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 2. I thought the other back was my boy Earl Campbell not Payton....but good post..... campbell was a beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I don't think you'll get anybody running out of reasons not to be positive with the thought of Portis in our backfield. I'd love for us to turn our offense around and be a top 10, hopefully feared, offense which we haven't been in awhile. I can't knock Champ though, the 97% of the rest of his coverage time everyone fails to mention he has been solid. I wouldn't of been shouting boos if the Redskins resigned him and picked in the second round this year. Money aside, I think it was a good trade for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feeshta Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 To me the question was not about Champ's talent. Everyone here would have to admit the kid can play. It was about the way he played last year to some degree, but that was the whole team not just him. What it really boiled down to was he did not want to be here. He wanted his name up there next to that record contract in the headlines. Our guys made a decision that it was not worth it to the team to keep Champ around at that cost. The cost/production ratio wa not high enough to justify the huge contract, so they went out and got the best compensation for him that they could. If you ask me they did stunningly well considering the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butz65 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 If you read the Denver newpapers (Denver Post for instance), the Broncos fans are really upset with this deal. They feel that Portis is a franchise back who should have been paid to remain on the team while Champ is simply another good Corner in a pretty deep market. Anyway, only time will tell if the Skins win out. If we add Shawn Springs or Ahmed Plummer (or similar CB) and Portis keeps up his production then Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato will look like geniuses. We were going to lose Champ anyway - why not pick up a potential all-time running back in return? By the eay - I think we'll end up trading the 5th pick down and add some 2nd and 3rd round picks in the process (offsetting the loss of the #5). That's consistent wil the old Skin's dealings with the draft. Unless I'm worng I think that Gibbs last "top 10" pick was Heath Shuler and we all know how that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_33 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 There are other intangibles to consider as well to why it's better to have Portis than Champ.... And they are simple!... 1)Portis will have the football in his hand more than Champ will...(increasing the oppurtunity to put Ball in Endzone) 2)Would you rather take your chances on Portis eating clock with a slim lead...or relying on Champ to prevent a TD with a slim lead....(in the final minutes of the game?) 3)The more times portis is on the field...the chances of winning the game increase and are good....The more times Champ is on the field....Well that's not good! 4)Portis will have the oppurtunity to score 1,2,3,4 or even 5 TD's (chiefs game) in a game to help lift our team to victory....How many times will Champ have the chance to score that many times in a game? 5)Portis is a RB....So if we were playing the Broncos,what chances does champ have at making a big play and turning the game around to beat us? What chances does Portis have at getting the ball 30 times that game against denver to get us in good field position for a FG(points) or a game breaking TD that could put the game out of reach or change the momentum of the game in itself? I'm sorry but a Stud RB is worth way more than a shutdown CB....And that's if you think Champ is NOT overated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 No-brainer. CB spent to much time lobbying for TD receptions and punt returns and not enough time listening to Mr. Green. CB is a cb. Isn't it nice to see your team plow their opponents down on a windy, wet December Sunday? That wasn't Champ's kind a play. Whether Portis turns out to be a Burgundy & Gold HOFmr or not, give me the running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by michael_33 1)Portis will have the football in his hand more than Champ will...(increasing the oppurtunity to put Ball in Endzone) .. 3)The more times portis is on the field...the chances of winning the game increase and are good....The more times Champ is on the field....Well that's not good! 4)Portis will have the oppurtunity to score 1,2,3,4 or even 5 TD's (chiefs game) in a game to help lift our team to victory....How many times will Champ have the chance to score that many times in a game? I like the trade, but I must comment... 1. Trung had the ball in ball in his hands more than Simeon Rice. I guess that makes Trung better? 3. So any one part of an offense is more important than any defensive player? 4. Again, Trung had his opportunities to score, while many defensive players never got the chance. Basically, your argument is: since Portis gets the carries, he is more valuable... which boils down to offense is more important than defense. Well, that's just not right. There is more to the game than touching the ball. Where would last year's Bucs team have gone without their defense, who surely got fewer "touches" than the Bucs' offense? The offense of a championship team will get many, many more chances to score, but they are not necessarily more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonkey Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by jgroomes Unless I'm worng I think that Gibbs last "top 10" pick was Heath Shuler and we all know how that turned out. Yeah you are wrong Gibbs chosen one was Desmond Howard:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedB&G4life Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by jgroomes If you read the Denver newpapers (Denver Post for instance), the Broncos fans are really upset with this deal. They feel that Portis is a franchise back who should have been paid to remain on the team while Champ is simply another good Corner in a pretty deep market. Anyway, only time will tell if the Skins win out. If we add Shawn Springs or Ahmed Plummer (or similar CB) and Portis keeps up his production then Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato will look like geniuses. We were going to lose Champ anyway - why not pick up a potential all-time running back in return? By the eay - I think we'll end up trading the 5th pick down and add some 2nd and 3rd round picks in the process (offsetting the loss of the #5). That's consistent wil the old Skin's dealings with the draft. Unless I'm worng I think that Gibbs last "top 10" pick was Heath Shuler and we all know how that turned out. \\:eaglesuck see below! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Also.... comparing players is different from comparing positions. Having someone (anyone!) at the RB is infinitely more important than having someone at the CB position... mostly because there are other CBs and safeties around, and without any RB you would just pass all the time. But, awesome CBs are harder to find than awesome RBs.... so it's a tradeoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedB&G4life Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by jgroomes If you read the Denver newpapers (Denver Post for instance), the Broncos fans are really upset with this deal. They feel that Portis is a franchise back who should have been paid to remain on the team while Champ is simply another good Corner in a pretty deep market. Anyway, only time will tell if the Skins win out. If we add Shawn Springs or Ahmed Plummer (or similar CB) and Portis keeps up his production then Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato will look like geniuses. We were going to lose Champ anyway - why not pick up a potential all-time running back in return? By the eay - I think we'll end up trading the 5th pick down and add some 2nd and 3rd round picks in the process (offsetting the loss of the #5). That's consistent wil the old Skin's dealings with the draft. Unless I'm worng I think that Gibbs last "top 10" pick was Heath Shuler and we all know how that turned out. \\The last player he drafted that high was Desmond Howard in the 1st round (4th overall) so, that is almost the same as drafting H. Shuler. Can you guess who he drafted in the 12th round (297 overall) in the '91' draft none other than one of the most productive WR's in the league today......... finish guessing Kennan McCardell that's funny right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKS1414 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I like the trade.....Portis is going to be a stud here too.....Besides, Bailey didn't seem to think that the Redskins were enough of a "1st class organization" for him. That quote made me feel that wasn't 1st class enough for the Redskins any longer. Time will prove that Redskins got the better end of the deal here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butz65 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Thanks for the correction! Desmond Howard, Heath Shuler - the result was the same - I'm not sure I'd want Gibbs to make the call with the 5th over all pick! Actually, I think that high draft picks are usually pretty big risks - especially on offense. That's why I'm ok with the Skins leveraging their picks for proven players. By the way - I think they would have gotten away with sending their 3rd round pick to Denver along with Champ if they hadn't spent it already on Brunell. I also think that Champ was a great player but not a difference maker. The defense was pretty bad last year and, while the weak front 4 impacted that quite a bit, Champ had his share of miscues. In fact, I think some teams respected him too much. Anyway, Portis can (and should be) a difference maker right off the bat - it will be nice to have a running game once again. When was the last time we had a proven back that could outrace everyone else on the field? SD could run through the tackles but didn't break off many big runs.:eaglesuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Like any analogy, it limited but a running back is akin to wine. A great wine can take a meal over-the-top but a great meal is still great even when all you've got is a table wine. a great corner is like one of the elements in the meal. Now, since Champ was just about gone from us anyway (thanks to an FO that low-balled him to make sure), maybe we can think of this as just trading our 2nd for Portis. Hopefully, we can sign a corner with very little drop-off. Still, Portis must generate 2300 yards plus personally to make the trade of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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