jbooma Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 You always mention that Cash solves Cap, however how is this possible when everyone still is accountable for all the money they sign including SB's etc... Now unless you mean we pay more in SB's then anyone else, but that still gets counted against the cap. Even incentive laden contracts that money I believe is counted to the following years cap number (Buddha will know, i could be wrong). I am curious for your explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkatz Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 From what I understand about SB's is that even if you sign a player with large bonus it is counted against the cap through the length of the contract. If that is the case (I may be wrong) then large sb's can be distrubted for many years lessening the hit against the cap. This is what we are doing with Brunell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Yep while we should have offered him a six to seven mil SB IMHO the seven years to stretch out the 8 mil make the deal very cap friendly for 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrapeApe Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 I've heard Maske say the same thing with a caveat. As long as you don't have any of these players go down with a career ending injury and have them spread out you can by-pass the salary cap to a great extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted March 1, 2004 Author Share Posted March 1, 2004 Originally posted by NavyDave Yep while we should have offered him a six to seven mil SB IMHO the seven years to stretch out the 8 mil make the deal very cap friendly for 3 years The problem is once he leaves after the 3rd year then we are stuck with a 5 million cap hit the following year. The SB is divided into years unless it is set up as a roster bonus for that specific year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Originally posted by GrapeApe I've heard Maske say the same thing with a caveat. As long as you don't have any of these players go down with a career ending injury and have them spread out you can by-pass the salary cap to a great extent. Ding. Except Maske hasn't said it with a caveat that I haven't said. Cash solves cap. I've always said that as it's true. I've always added that it is true until you have a player go down with a career ending injury, early retirement or several busts with players who just can't play well. As long as a team is willing to convert base salary to bonus money, it can extend the life of a team without impacting the cap for an indefinite period of time. The Niners did this beautifully until new ownership got cheap. The Cowboys did this for a while until Aikman and Irvin got hurt and accelerated things. Eventually spending on guaranteed bonuses as we do will catch up with us if Lavar goes down and can't play anymore. But, as long as you are smart about the money and who you give it to you can essentially avoid the cap consequences until you have a tragic problem. When that happens you are hurting otherwise so that may not be the foremost concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Originally posted by jbooma The problem is once he leaves after the 3rd year then we are stuck with a 5 million cap hit the following year. The SB is divided into years unless it is set up as a roster bonus for that specific year. JB, Every team carries dead money every year. That's not a problem. Marty carried a bit more than he had to because of how he wanted to build the team, but, even without that as a bit of a blip, most teams carry millions in dead money. That's not what's crushing. A $5 million hit in a year or over two years is NOTHING. It's a $15 million hit for ONE player that is costly. As long as Snyder continues to be willing to pay out $50 to $70 million in bonuses every other year you can base down other contracts to offset it until you start to lose guys you've given huge guarantees to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Defense Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 the only real downside to this strategy is that the signing bonus have to be proportionate to the actual contract, so this leads us with many very long contracts which escalate to ludicrous figures in the final years. when players we want to keep start hitting these escalated figures, this forces us to either A). try to renegotiate with a player slated to earn mad cash, suck it up and pay, but if we have a couple guys in this situation our cap is screwed, or C) cut the player--we will not be able to trade them as their contract figures would be too high. we'll see how this plays out with samuals this year--it should be very telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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