michael_33 Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 I was just wondering what everyone's opinion on this was....I apologize if this should have been in another forum and will understand if it is moved.... But to be frank.....I don't think anyone visits the other forums and this topic would be useless and get lost like a really bad Job application...? Anyways? I can't help, but really be offended by the bashing and humiliating Articles of such writers like Pastabelly and many countless others... It really makes me sick (being a huge Skins fan) that these writers are allowed to publicly scrutinize and belittle such an historical Franchise.... Now I'm sure that maybe I'm just reading articles out of the DC area or whatever and that it just seems that we are a targeted organization,but it sure doesn't feel that way.... But even during the NFL season,it seems that we are targets as well...Such as the Jimmy Johnson thing and other countless props to make the Redskins a Laughingstock organization... I don't ever remember this Franchise taking on such criticism,but I am just 31 years old....It's almost like the more hatred sent our way,the more people jump ship to go along for the ride to stockpile an already ridiculous trend by Redskin Haters...! So that's why my post topic is what it is?Are these people that Cut up,make fun and totally disrespect a very traditional franchise setting themselves up for a huge disappointment when JOE GIBBS and DANIEL SNYDER hoist the lombardi trophy here in the near future? Look at the Bengals for an example....They have been a laughingstock team since existance even though they have appeared in and lost 2 superbowls....now all of a sudden,their a contender and a team to consider a playoff caliber team soon....A marvin Lewis is the next best coach in the world?Nothing but Positive articles....!! They went 8-8?I guess that should be considered an accomplishment... don't get me wrong...I think Lewis is a fine coach and COULD very well bring success to the Bengals organization...But what makes writers and critics quick to point out that gibbs doesn't know what he's getting into? The guy has appeared in 4 Superbowls and won 3 of them! All of a Sudden Denny Green and the Cardinals are a considerable contender next year...just a few more pieces and the Cardinals are a playoff contender... I mean afterall...Greens winning record is an astonishing one at that....Right? When was the last time they did anything or won a Championship?.....1847?Just kidding! Again!Don't get me wrong...I think Green is the best thing to happen for Arizona in a LONG time...And I even hope he brings success to the team.... But I don't see any bad articles related to them...?I don't hear whispers that Green has a huge Task ahead of him to ressurect a team that probably will go 4-12 at best....Again! Of course I could say that the Bengals and the Cardinals have something very much in Common,but We won't go there! But I won't lie to myself or my fellow fans.....It HAS been a rough 12 years....!It has been hard to see a great franchise turned upside down since Gibbs departure... But Dan Snyder hasn't owned the team for 12 years... He also didn't own it in the 20's,30's,40's and so on either...We've had bad decades before....?The yankees won how many Championships in the 80's?ZERO.......... Every team goes through it's ruts of bad seasons...! i just find it funny how the Redskins are the BUTT of every joke now-a-days...to sports collumnists and other critics and critisized for every move we make as franchise.... when still almost 1/2 the teams in the NFL have never appeared in the superbowl,let alone win one! This alone should make every remark they say about us a team...Null&Void! I remember the days of just having 1 reason for my Washington Redskin to win the Superbowl and that was that my favorite team was crowned World Champions and that we were the best team that season and nobody could deny the truth...! Now that I have the memories of feeling that way 3 times in my life,I look forward to the day I feel a 4th....And I have a feeling it will be happening very soon...! And that 4th time will be very special to me....! Because I won't just have 1 reason to gloat that we are World Champions once again!!....... :40oz: HAIL TO THE REDSKINS....HAIL VICTORY.......HAIL TO THE REDSKINS...... FIGHT FOR DIGNITY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 We are hated so much for being in a Division of Hot Heads. Ney York, Dallas, PHILLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 It's a combination of factors, not the least of which is a bad case of "money envy" on the part of the ardent followers of more economy minded teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyRules Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 We own the off-season, acquire high profile players and then bomb. It has been this way for the last eleven years - that's why they are critizing us. Until we start to win, you can count on those writers to continue their Skins bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 Danny equals change..... and people fear change the NFL is an older conservative bunch of old fogies that are set in their ways.... then comes this rich brat that pays more money, finds new and exciting ways to sign players, build a team, hire coaches. And even with a losing team he makes tons of money where some teams lose money. He is not intimidated by the old guard, and takes a backseat to none of them. He basically steps on the other owners toes. The fans of other teams are jealous or get mad that their team doesn't try as hard as the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 It can't be fear or jealousy or any of that. Sorry but the Skins haven't done much on the football field for quite some time for anyone to fear them. And I'm not flaming here, just telling it like it is. Snyder spends all his salary cap money and gets these big name free agents. All of his offseason movements have not produced a winning product on the field. I am sure there are many people who hope Snyder fails because it looks as if he is trying to "buy" a Super Bowl. All he is really doing is using his cap space. But to an Eagles fan, it could look like he is trying to buy something. Anyway, I had to take a shot at the Eagles, it is what I do. The media for whatever reason loves to see the Skins fail. I think they would have a hard time accepting such a young owner coming into the NFL and winning championships at such a young age. They want him to fail first. If he fails for ten or fifteen years and than wins a Super Bowl or two, I think the media would be able to accept that much more. Even if he is still doing the same things he does now by signing high priced free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatFischer37 Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 Its our cool uniforms...we're the envy of the league...us the Steelers and the Packers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty dread Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 yeah the past decade of mediocrity is definitely something to be fearful of LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooney Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Baltimore hates the Redskins due to a combination of factors, but mainly because of severe 2nd city-itis. Go to any Ravens board and they are monitoring and obsessing over every move the Redskins make. The funny thing is the Ravens are not even a blip on the 'Skins radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidPennSkin Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 I don't think we are feared so much as laughed at. Our play on the field doesn't scare anybody. The only thing other teams have to fear from us is that we will outbid them for players. Part of the problem is that Snyder is a nouveau riche kid that moved into an old money neighborhood, and he likes to make a splash with sexy signings. The old geezers that run the league don't like the way he does things, and the envious mediots are happy to jump on the Snyder-Bashing bandwagon. The other part of the problem is we ain't winning. When we do, and I hope it's this year, there won't be nearly so many bashers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogeyMan Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 At the beginning of the 2001 season, Bill Belicek was considered to be a loser as a head coach. He failed in Cleveland and went 5-11 in his first year in New England. Bob Kraft gave up a #1 pick to get Belicek, so he was considered to be an idiot owner. When the Skins start going deep in the playoffs consistently, Dan Synder will no longer be considered an idiot and spendthrift. This year he is going to open the checkbook to get Gibbs the players he thinks he needs. If Gibbs can't turn it around, the media will say that the game has passed him by and Danny is still an idiot. Right or wrong, Snyder is decisive and tries to do what it takes to win - there are at least 20 other teams out there that would like to have the same type of owner. Bottom line: Losing = idiot Winning = genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanathos19 Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Snyder makes it so easy for the media to scrutinize us. We spend all this $$, and then usually end up bombing with it...people aer jealous because we have the $$, find ways to pay people a lot, and then when we don't do well, it kind of gives the writers free reign on what is wrong with the NFL and that $$ doesn't buy championships. Spurrier's failure didn't help any, and with the ludicrous way this franchise was run the last two years with OBC at the helm, it just added fuel to the fire. I, too, get frustrated with all the negative comments from teh media, but what is worse is the jeering from other fans, friends, etc. who know I'm a Redskins fan...they are far worse than the media...always looking for ways to rip on the 'Skins and rip on Snyder. Hopefully with the return of Gibbs, and a more competitive team, we'll get some respect again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manichispanic Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 in short.....player hatin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canyonero! Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I can't help, but really be offended by the bashing and humiliating Articles of such writers like Pastabelly and many countless others...It really makes me sick (being a huge Skins fan) that these writers are allowed to publicly scrutinize and belittle such an historical Franchise.... Now I'm sure that maybe I'm just reading articles out of the DC area or whatever and that it just seems that we are a targeted organization,but it sure doesn't feel that way.... Oh give me a break. You get upset that these writers are "allowed" to insult our franchise? That's their freaking job. And you know you're being hypocritical here. We make the big moves, so we get a big target on our chests. That's that nature of the game. You know we'd get a kick out of Team X spending and spending, year after year, only to see their record get worse and worse (8-8, 7-9, 5-11). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I think it is a case of envy, rather than fear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 The thought from other fans, at least what I get out of it, is "Let the Redskins spend all of this money. They'll only suck again next year" I hate to hear it, but this is what has happened since Snyder took over(1999 aside) Until this franchise returns to the playoffs or makes a serious run at another SB trophy, this won't stop. Now do I think that the revolving door at the HC is over? for now , Yes. Will Gibbs get the Skins back to prominence? YES. But how long will St. Joe stay? Only he knows that. We just need to show the rest of the league that we are for real, before they will stop with all of the :bsflag: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 We're the Yankees on the NFL. Now if we can just win 26 championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleSteve Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I'd have to agree with Tom and Jags and a few others. The Redskins certainly aren't feared on the field, at least right now. Gibbs may change that, but from an opposing fan's perspective, it's quite funny that Snyder spends all this money and the team stinks. There is some envy also. I'd love to see the Eagles spend like the 'Skins. I think they have a better overall FO (pre-Gibbs) and could have been much more successful if they had spent some money, Reid's 5-year plan be d@mned. Coles in midnight green would be awesome. The media is another story. They'll pick something they envy apart, and it's quite clear Snyder is envied. He's also a huge target, whether he deserves it or not. He really was hands-off last season, but was accused of some of the most ridiculous things. Not that he needs one, but the guy can't buy a break. So I guess the mediots like to show up the football-dumb (as to their wisdom) young little (literally) rich kid who got lucky (in their opinion) and bought a football team as a plaything to play real-life fantasy football. Parenthetically speaking of course. And Tom, I won't mention the pre-season Super Bowl contenders who managed 4 wins last season. Maybe next post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I don't think we are feared so much as laughed at. This guy hit the nail on the head... it isn't fear or hate- it's hilarious. Of course guys like me get pissed when the Skins pick up somebody I want the Eagles to have (doesn't happen often, but it did today with Marcus Washinton), but it's more about loving to see a guy like Snyder lose year in and year out. They aren't even the Yankees of the NFL- they are the Mets. It could turn around any day, but when a poorly managed franchise puts an even more poorly assembled team on the field each week to get embarrassed and still acts so arrogant to the public, they aren't going to win any new fans. The Redskins, as of today (until they regain some of their past glory), are second only to the Cardinals as the biggest laughing stocks of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsonny Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 it's time for the Redskins to put up!! the Media is sick of the hype created by Danny and his crew to sell merch and beer.... ..."the story" "Redskins return to Super Bowl Ways" is PLAYED OUT!! the country is sick of us we can thank lil Danny boy for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleSteve Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Originally posted by f_dallas The Redskins, as of today (until they regain some of their past glory), are second only to the Cardinals as the biggest laughing stocks of the NFL. You've got to watch it f-d, the Eagles are laughingstocks as well. To go two straight seasons with an obviously huge hole in the WR position is arrogant in it own right. Reid is laughed at for his own arrogance. He's tried to address the situation with the draft but its clear the FO has no clue as to how to scout WR talent. It's taken Mitchell 3 years to even have a minor impact. Is the offense that difficult? If so, Reid is the problem. To be favored twice at home in the NFCCG and watch the pitiful receivers get thrown around by a smart-@ss rookie CB who gets destroyed by decent WR's in the SB is all on Andy Reid. He's the only one in the NFL world unable to see that he fields the worst starting receivers in the league. Sorry - I'm still ticked at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 You've got to watch it f-d, the Eagles are laughingstocks as well. To go two straight seasons with an obviously huge hole in the WR position is arrogant in it own right. The Eagles are laughing stocks to other team's fans because they wish that they could have as much success. The Birds aren't winning super bowls, so I guess you can call them laughing stocks- but it's certainly a different breed. As for the arrogance? Yeah....you're porbabaly right about that one, but again- it's a different arrogance (seems more like confidence than ****iness). Hey, I don't choose who should be chosen national laughing stocks- the Eagles were in that category for a long time.....it's just the other way around now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The X-Factor Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I can't wait for the day where we the Super Bowl and all those "player-hatin'" writers have to eat their words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 f-dallas I see your posts on that Eagles board. YOu essentially distort and lie about what is posted here and it disgusts me. There are always going to be hotheads and idiots on any board, even one as classy as this, but I noticed the one you are part of is pretty full of arrogant chumps who think that vomiting the same old Snyder/Skins-bashing to each other is some kind of witty repartee. People say they laugh at us, but I think this is a lie. There IS envy. 1) Go to EVERY football related message board and you'll see a post about Snyder and the Skins. A few posters will be "laughing" but others will be whining "how can they do this?!" 2) You don't speak venomously about someone who is hilarious to you, generally. There is way too much bite in the comments I see to attribute it mainly to "laughing" at the SKins. I think what it really is, is mocking the Skins because you know, as well as we, that things WILL turn around. Only a moron would constantly get on Snyder for bringing in the guys his coaches want(since Marty!) And only a fool would ignore the circumstances of previous failed seasons: injuries and no kicker in 2000, hardly something that the critics spoke of before the season, btw And Snyder's biggest mistake---Spurrier. In some offseason the Skins were spending money on only one guy and bunch of cheap castoffs like Jacquez Green. Yet you have the same idiots spouting the same nonsense as if 2000 happens every offseason. That's much more than simply amusement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleSteve Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Originally posted by f_dallas The Birds aren't winning super bowls, so I guess you can call them laughing stocks- but it's certainly a different breed. Agreed, f-d. They were more like a joke at the time. Remember the feeling after the game? The Eagles were laughed at by the entire NFL world for not addressing what's been an obvious need. It will happen again if they don't improve drastically at WR for this next season. I don't know how that improvement will develop. They may be hoping that McMullen and Lewis fit into the system, with help from LJ Smith. This is a long shot considering Reid's offense. They may trade up in the draft and snag a big time WR there. Still, will Reid simplify the offense to get a new receiver the ball. They still have some options, but other teams and fans won't take them seriously until they see numerous McNabb to - ? TD passes next season. Unfortunately, Westbrook doesn't count. He needs the help as well. On the Redskins, until they turn it around, yes they will be laughed at due to their spending and not getting results. Definitely not feared. Tough to fear a team you beat 37-7, 34-21, 31-7. With a close one mixed in for good measure. Overall, I'd never trade the last three years and 35 wins for 8, 7 and 5 win seasons and all the off-season spending in the world. Ghost, Spurrier was a mistake, but that's hard to blame on Snyder. Just about everyone thought it was a good move. After year 1 it was obvious he was ineffective, but it's tough to replace a coach like that after only one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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