Skins26 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 People say that a good corner is harder to find than a good back. And that is true. but.... A good back is much more valuable than a good corner. This is why we are probably going to have to give up Champ and our 2nd rounder for Portis. Champ can take the other teams best WR out of the game, for the most part, but that is pretty much all they can do. All opposing teams have to do to avoid Champ is simply, dont throw to his side. You cant aviod Portis, you must game plan to stop him, he has to be the defenses first priority, they have to stop him, you cant just avoid him, you know he's gonna touch the ball. A running back like Portis can help your defense by keeping them rested. He can help your passing game by making the playaction effective, and of course he can run, and run with an average of 5.5 yards per carry. He can finish games by getting first downs while keeping the clock running as well. A back like Portis just does more for you than a shut down corner like Champ. While its not so hard to find good backs, it is pretty damn hard to find great backs like Portis. We are probably going to have to give up our 2nd rounder as well as Champ for Portis, and in my opinion, its worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 well argued and i agree...now my only question is what are we going to do with this one good draft choice we have?:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo. Redskins22 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I say we sign Taylor at #5 and use the majority of the rookie salary cap pool to sign him to a 7 or 8 year deal and get a good player in the 5th round that Gibbs was able to find in the late rounds before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingchris626 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 its only obvious that Taylor is the best pick for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 We either trade it to Houston for their 10 spot, 2nd rounder, and possibly a third(depends on how stupid/desperate) or we draft Shau Taylor. The 10 spot opens things up quite a bit and allows for many options to occur. We also get a 2nd to spend on either a dlineman or a te. If we stay at 5, Shaun Taylor will be had. He is the BEST defensive player in the draft. No question he is who we would take. Option 3: Sorry, forgot about this one... We trade the 5 for New England's two firsts and possibly another pick. Results similar to if we traded with Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I wholeheartedly disagree. Finding shutdown corners is MUCH more difficult that finding 1000-1200 yard backs. Sure Portis is a 1500 yard back but defense wins championships, not 1500 yard backs. Name the last Super Bowl champion who had a 1500 yard back? Now name the last Super Bowl champion with a great defense. A shutdown corner is NOT the entire defense but he IS an important piece. We can probably replace Champ with a corner good enough to give us a very good defense but we don't need Portis for a Super Bowl caliber offense. I would do the trade straight up but nothing more. We need that 2nd round pick for a defensive player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romberjo Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I disagree. When a cb single-handedly (all right, double-handedly) takes the other team's best receiver out of a game, that's enormous. Instead of having to double-team that guy, you now have an extra safety you can bring up to support the run. The running game and the strongest part of the passing game are now pretty much out of commission. With a star rb, you can load up the line of scrimmage and the effectiveness goes way down. And the fall-off between a great rb like Portis and a good rb is not all that much (particularly in Denver), whereas the fall-off between a great cb and a good one is much bigger. As to Champ and Portis specifically, I think Champ's somewhat overrated, but still one of the top few cb's in the game, and I don't have enough information to have an informed opinion about whether Portis is merely a really good back in Denver's system or is Champ's equivalent at rb. Given the positions and the players, I think a straight-up trade would be fair. I think there is a very important reason we will likely need to throw in a second round pick, though, which has been largely neglected on this board and elsewhere: Champ is a UFA w/ a franchise tag and Portis is under a very, very cap-friendly contract for two more seasons. So one team is getting Champ for two seasons at approx. $7 million/year, and the other team is getting Portis for two seasons at approx. $500,000/year -- or whatever long-term contracts they work out, which have as a starting point those vastly different baselines if they stay with their current teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SkinsHokie Fan Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I think the whole point in all of this is Champ IS NOT the end all be all shut down corner. He is a terrific cover corner but Portis is a game breaker. An offense can run some WR screens and picks and use motion to get Champ off a guy. A defense has to worry about the fact that Portis will get the ball 25 times a game and has to figure out a way to stop it. If Champ were like Dieon and truly did take away half the field that would be different. And despite the fact that Champ is terrific and one of the best he is no shut down corner and not a game break. Clinton Portis can be that game breaker that breaks the will of another team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark28 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I agree with Jimbo. Shutdown corners are harder to find than an effective tailback. We could make a trade with Detroit or New York and draft a back. Both these guys are young Pro Bowlers. Only an even swap is fair. Portis will get a monster deal like or near to what we were gonna give to Bailey anyway. We don't save much money on the deal because they're both elite players. Don't like it at all unless it's straight up. The FO and Gibbs are being taken if they agree to this. Not happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted February 24, 2004 Author Share Posted February 24, 2004 With a star rb, you can load up the line of scrimmage and the effectiveness goes way down. Yes, but if they load up the line of scrimmage to try and stop Portis, you can hit them with the play action and it opens up the passing game. Like I said folks, good CB's are harder to FIND than good RB's. But good RB's and more valuable than good CB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 A good back is much more valuable than a good corner :thud: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosko Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Portis is more than a 1500 yard back. He is a 22 year old two time 1500 yard back. He'll reach his prime in about three more years. I think he has a good shot at all of Emmitt's records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypen_91 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 All this talk about CB's and RB's is just fine but the real question is what does either Portis or Bailey have to do with the biggest weakness on the team. Yes I am talking about the d-line. Nothing I mean nothing has been really done to sure it up. I know ST is a can't miss in the secondary but we need a big tackle in the middle or a good end on the D-line more than anything. I do not care how good a coach Greg Williams is the defense will still be bad if we do not address the d-line. Saftey just does not make any sense with our current needs. Maybe Wilfolk at DT or Udeze at end. Do not know much about either player. In any case, I think Bailey should be traded to a team where we could get a high 1st round draft pick and a 2-3rd draft pick for him and pick up a good end and tackle. Can you Imangine a draft where we land Taylor and Udeze? now that woudl kick butt. The D-line does need to be addressed and there are some studs in the draft that will be there when we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosko Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Champ hasn't been a shutdown corner for 2 yrs now. Last year he looked downright ordinary, except for the Patriots game. Perhaps it was because of pitiful coaching, but he didn't play like the best corner in football last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by Rypen_91 All this talk about CB's and RB's is just fine but the real question is what does either Portis or Bailey have to do with the biggest weakness on the team. Yes I am talking about the d-line. Nothing I mean nothing has been really done to sure it up. I know ST is a can't miss in the secondary but we need a big tackle in the middle or a good end on the D-line more than anything. I do not care how good a coach Greg Williams is the defense will still be bad if we do not address the d-line. Saftey just does not make any sense with our current needs. Maybe Wilfolk at DT or Udeze at end. Do not know much about either player. In any case, I think Bailey should be traded to a team where we could get a high 1st round draft pick and a 2-3rd draft pick for him and pick up a good end and tackle. Can you Imangine a draft where we land Taylor and Udeze? now that woudl kick butt. The D-line does need to be addressed and there are some studs in the draft that will be there when we pick. This is the reason I am no longer enamored with this trade. Then again, I am all about filling the most amount of holes this year. I don't DO two-year plans. I would rather plug in Staley at RB and take the Lions #6 pick and grab Taylor and Udeze. Try and grab Big Ted Washington at DT and one of the Winfield/Taylor/Vincent group to replace Champ. With our 2nd round pick we take Ben Watson or a DT. That seriously shores up our defense. Portis is a great back, don't get me wrong, but paying Portis Champ-type money is going to prevent us from shoring up the defense. That just puts us on a two-year plan. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.