Even Madder Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Did I deserve it? Yeah. Do I promise to be a good boy from now on? Yeah, hold your breath for that. Just to set the record straight, I was ostensibly banned for calling Art a "self-important blowhard." Well, I did call him that -- probably ban-worthy in its own right -- but that's not why I was banned. I was banned because I humiliated Art with The Bet. The Bet, which he makes reference to when he banned me, left him steaming mad and plotting revenge. So when I gave him a shot, he took it. Who can blame him? If you set up a great site like this, and someone comes into your backyard and makes you look dumb and calls you names like Mrs Cerrato, wouldn't you ban him? Hell, it ain't a free country, it's a private site. He can ban anybody he wants for whatever reason he wants. Maybe I've been too inflammatory. Too smug. Too rude. I don't do smiley faces. I call people stupid when they're, well, stupid. Maybe I have been the "self-important blowhard". What do you think, fellow posters? Am I the poster child for the "steaming mug of shut-the-****-up"? Should I just leave? I'll leave it to democracy: if you guys tell me to go, I'll go and I won't come back. If you let me stay, I'll promise to use 3-5 smiley faces a week, no matter how much it hurts. And I won't pick a fight with Art until Vinny gets fired, even if it takes months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 ...but you must change your name to "less madder" and liberally use smileys. :insertsmileyhere: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 EM, I am a self-important blowhard. You weren't banned for that at all. I did post to you exactly why you were banned. And, guess, what, you're banned again. You are allowed to ask what's going on instead of misleading about it. The bet had nothing to do with it either. I said we had the potential to have a relatively stable offseason and you said bet we don't. I said we may not. But we have the potential. I was neither humuliated nor confused. Though you are. You are now permanently banned. Your next post will be to me or anyone else on staff asking what you are doing wrong. You'll eventually figure it out, I swear. No one has ever been banned for going at me. I enjoy it. In fact, I've ASKED you directly, privately, to keep doing it. However, you seem to think a bit more of yourself than is right and proper. So, bye. I'm more than happy to bring you back. You just have to convince us that you deserve it. At no point have I mentioned the bet to you as a problem for me. However, you have long thought it was your shining badge of victory against me. Your symbol of reaching the mountain top. YOU think far too much of something I don't think of to have created this as your point of departure. For example, if I were upset by it, why wouldn't I have deleted you then? I mean, if I was upset by any name calling, why not have simply bid adieu then? Because you STILL don't get that you were having a different discussion that the English language I was discussing and it amuses me. I can PROMISE you. You'll NEVER be banned for anything you ever say to me. You WILL be banned, however, when you say I cited the bet as a rationale for your week ban when you know that not to be the case. That's a lie told willfully. Given your past of telling these, I am not giving you much of a break . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Would someone care enough to vote for option 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I am with the coach (Art) on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I told you to change the name and use smileys. See what happens when you don't heed sound advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 None of the above. Give us more of your insight on football, which I have always found solid, and less of the ubiquitous angry young man stuff, for which I have never quite understood the motivation. * Edit: Too late. What a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 P.S. I voted for stay. But, as you have a basic disconnect with the truth and honesty you are going to come to art@extremeskins.com or staff@extremeskins.com to ask for your reinstatement. You will acknowledge you've been notified about your previous bans. You will recognize the difference between the why you state you've banned and the why you actually are. Feel free to "get it" anytime you want there chief. You are among the easiest debates I have on this board because you simply can't keep your own words straight and you refuse to address the words others do. I'd NEVER ban you for those conversations. They bring me far too much joy. I WILL however, ban you for lies. And, since you KNOW why you were banned for a week and decided to lie and say other reasons, you know why you are banned this time. It's no deep down plot against you EM. All we're asking is you quit telling tales. You aren't that important. You were contacted about the reason for your ban. You were told why. You didn't state those reasons, instead creating another that makes you feel better and more self-important yourself. You're done until you learn how to figure out the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I guess there is no reason to vote now :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 ...but you must change your name to "less madder" and liberally use smileys. My bad. I think he might have fared better had I told him to change his name to "NotMadAnyMore" and to CONSERVATIVELY, rather than liberally, use smileys. * On a serious note. EM in case you missed it an olive branch has been offered. The next move is yours young sappling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Is taking a pot shot, even one that the recipient deems as unfounded, grounds for a permanent ban? Am I just the least sensitive guy in the world? I don't get it. He disagrees with Art and he's being a prick about it...but isn't that kind of the fun of some of this? I've had it out with Art before on several occasions. He always out-duked me when it came to volume of words, and one particularly notable time I was just flat-out wrong (factually). I admited it, he rubbed my nose in it a little bit more and we moved on. I probably wasn't as snide as EM, but, I'll be honest: I've always really enjoyerd EM's work and I almost always agree with him. I think he is a realist in a place that needs to be tempered by the occasional pessimistic contribution. This board NEEDS a voice like EMs to balance it out, in my opinion. I guess if I was calling the shots I would welcome EM's contribution and I would tell those who didn't like it to sack up, debate him or ignore him. It's not my site and I didn't put forth any of the resources many here have in order to make it happen. I respect what they have chosen to do here, providing this site for fans. Still, I felt compelled to say something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 GB, What part of my posts did you miss? EM isn't banned because he took a pot shot. I love pot shots. You took them at me. I took them at you. Where are you? Banned or not? EM is banned because he categorically stated false reasons for his ban. More, he received notice of WHY he was banned and STILL stated reasons were cited that weren't true. EM has been banned before for telling lies. He's been warned on a couple of occasions that anything he wants to say about anyone is pretty much acceptable. It's when he won't tell the truth is when he gets himself into trouble. Here he has to state reasons he KNOWS to be false for his ban. I've helped EM along here for a while now. I'm willing to do it again. All he has to do is be truthful. He can be as insulting as he wants. That is part of the fun. He just can't tell lies. He especially can't tell lies when he's telling them to deflect why he has had trouble here as something it's not. I've had HEATED debates with HUNDREDS of people. If I banned people for arguing with me, I'd be awfully lonely here. Though, I am thinking about banning Om. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Works for me… nice knowin’ ya EM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Fair enough. I don't envy the task of policing this site. I just sometimes feel like there is a lack of diversity in the loudest voices on this site and EM provided some balance. I don't know the guy...maybe he's a complete loon... You have your reasons and that will have to be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouBrave86 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Stay dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 This is what happens when you poke the lion with a stick too many times. Especially these days, when the finger on the ban trigger has been especially itchy. Yet I find myself agreeing with GB81 on this. There are many less articulate, more illiterate screamers on this board who could stand a ban instead of EM. As an example, I vote that anyone writing "[Redskin player] should just STFU and play" should be an immediately banned. I acknowledge there may well be more to the Banning of EM I'm not seeing. In any case - EM, don't be like Pete Rose. Go to the commish soon and get reinstated. Then put your lion-poking stick away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Dan, If EM puts his lion poking stick away, I'll ban him again. The FUN of EM is that stick. All he has to do is be honest. He's had IMMENSE difficulty with that. If he simply TELLS the truth, he's forever safe here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I'm sure concessions would need to be made on both sides to resolve this and, as I stated before, it is not really my business when it comes down to it. I didn't intend to make this even more of a headache for the mods than it already is. I'm just an angry guy who's favorite team has been to the playoffs once since 1992. I want some other angry guys around to commiserate with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I think all the moderators have been pretty consistent on this point: "The truth shall set you free". A misunderstanding is one thing. Disregarding the facts is another. We all want the board to be a healthy one, do we not? I like EM's posts perhaps more than others ( i.e. those that write as if their spin is somehow factually based), but there is a standard that EM is not meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Hey Art, What caused his penultimate ban? I missed that episode in this affair. He said it was for namecalling and "the Bet" - which you declared untrue and led to him being permanently banned. What was his previous lie though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I've said it before about other posters who are no longer among us, and I'll say it again: it is very, VERY rarely a one-time, two-time, or even three-time problem that gets someone banned around here. It's cumulative ... and EM has a history. Nobody should mistake what's happened with this one particular poster for capriciousness or disregard for "due process" or anything else. Members who have been here a while, I hope, know just how hesitant we have been over the years to ban people. I also hope most people understand by now why we've been as aggressive as we have of late. We're trying to reclaim the board for the kind of tone and level of discourse that brought most of us here in the first place. Fact is, lately I've been concerned that by our sheer size, that might be lost in the rush. I'll state this, though ... you have my word that if that does ever happen, it will be despite the resolute and passionate defense of what we've built as a community here by the staff. Extremeskins is not going to go the way of so many other boards. It's just not. And if making sure that's the case means we have to be aggressive from time to time, that's what we're going to do. The good of the many ... * Art, Don't ban me, man. I hereby publicly apologize for keeping you in line on a couple of occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 You're bored, You're broke, You're GONE Oh, and here's a few smilies for ya :ciao: :ciao::ciao::ciao::ciao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Too bad that EM pushed it too far b/c I always liked his posts and found him to be a good devil's advocate. I haven't followed what's been going on with EM and what he's lying about, but I do remember him putting up some good fights with Art which is saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big z Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I think people will have a lot more staying power on this board if they talk redskins football. period. We're all skins fans.....respect the board...respect each other!!! now everyone gather round...we're about to sing kumbaya.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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