Official breakout thread: Is the Portis trade too much for us to surrender.....

[Art]

The update thread can be for discussing the benefits of Portis here. So can this. But the primary focus of this thread is whether the second rounder PLUS Bailey is too much to surrender on our part.

In my view it's CLEARLY too much. But, it's not too much based on us needing a ton. If we do land Portis the first round pick in the draft defaults to defense and we're looking at needing two or three players in free agency, NOT the draft that essentially make this team very good, very fast.

I think a great corner is harder to find than a great runner. Now, the real question is whether Portis is Emmitt. We KNOW Champ isn't Deion. If Portis is the next true great back you almost surrender any price because it's a fat corner market and Champ simply IS NOT a dominant corner. He's an elite corner. One of the best in football. But he's not dominant. Portis may be the special back who IS dominant.

Coupled with a solid free agent corner you have to seriously consider this as a move you can't pass up.

[Chris 44]

As long as the front office has a broader plan, that we obviously aren't privy to, to cover other areas then I think this works.

[Heavy Jumbo]

IF we do end up giving Denver our 2nd pick, Gibbs will have a plan to get us more picks back.

[BayouBrave86]

Portis for Bailey and a 2nd is a damn good deal for the Skins. If this deal goes through, I wouldn't be surprised if the Skins trade that 5th overall pick for a 1st in the top 15 and a 2nd rounder. It makes perfect sense, but hell if Portis comes here, I will be the first to buy his jersey.:cool:

[redskin56]

I think it is very difficult to compare Portis to a back like Emmitt. One of the things that I thought that Emmitt was so dominant is because he was rarely ever hurt. Portis has already shown some durability issues. That makes me wary, especially in a Gibbs offense that leans so heavily on the ground game.

I really don't think from a value standpoint that giving up Champ and a second round pick is smart.

One point however, maybe the FO is looking at this from a numbers standpoint. Maybe they won't have enough room under the cap to sign all the draft picks and the FAs they want to acquire for the DL and DE.

Just a thought, but it could be a reason that the FO is considering dealing the second rounder.

[jbooma]

I don't think so because we haven't done well with our 2nd round pick the last couple of years. We can still sure up our DL in FA and then draft Taylor at #5 or Udeze and we are set. Pick up a CB in FA and we are looking at a team with Brunell and Portis as one of the top in the league.

I would preferr a swap in the second but Portis is only 22, 3 years younger then champ. He would sign a deal that is less then champ, I think. He also had 1600 yards in 13 games averaging 300 yards receiving in his first two seasons and averaged 15 tds. To me that is way more valuable then Champ.

Who in the NFC can top this Brunell, Portis, Coles, with Ramsey, and Gardner as well.

[DraftNik]

I think you have to look at what's available if you don't make this move and weigh what you're getting here versus what you could get elsewhere. Yes, the dominant corner is harder to find than the dominant running back in general, but it looks this year as though it is a reverse situation. In free agency, the corner market is absolutely deeper with better quality at the top than the running back market. In the draft, neither position is that strong, but considering that we weren't going to take a back in the first round anyway, you have to look at second round possibilities, and those aren't that appealing. I say *if* a mutually beneficial contract can be worked out with Portis, it is a good deal pending a trade down from the number five pick. I can't see how giving up what would probably be 20 million dollars in bonus to Brunell and Portis (and eventually more in FA) would accomodate a number 5 draft pick's bonus. In addition, there will be plenty of D-line talent in the area of the 15 pick (Randy Starks?), and the team would get a replacement 2nd or 3rd round pick to also use on defense, since essentially the original 2nd and 3rd rounders would have been used on offense.

I would love this deal.

[@DCGoldPants]

why does it have to be a draft pick in 2004?

[skinsfan44]

Givening up a 2nd rounder along with Champ, is TOO MUCH.

I will take this deal straight up, though.

I hate to lose Bailey, but that is life in the New NFL.

[bubba9497]

there's no way we should add a pick. If anything Denver should sweeten the deal

[PatFischer37]

take Portis and the 2nd rounder...Gibbs will get more picks and has a knack of making fa's a part of all of his teams.

[Red&BlueRivalry]

Why doesn't Washington go ahead and sign one of the free agent corners if there so tough to draft? I don't know how much cap room the Skins have but they can add Portis and sign one of the Philly corners for temporary defensive help.

[Art]

Portis played all 16 games as a rookie, though he didn't start the first four. He then played 13 games last year, AND RETURNED from an injury to finish the season last year, so, it's FAR too early to think he's injury prone. He might be, sure, it's just we can't presume he is on the basis of two years.

[jbooma]

Why are you guys against this but okay with giving up a #1 for Coles??

Champ is gone we all know that, Portis is the best back next to LT in the league.

This is like getting Marshall Faulk at 22!!!!!!

Portis is a game breaker, Champ is not. Gibbs alwasy uses free agents to win, remember the Plan B's in the 87 and 91 teams.

We haven't drafted well with our 2nd round pick and a couple of years. We can still trade our 5th to get back a second if we wanted.

This is a no brainer.

A healthy Coles, Brunell, Portis, that is a superbowl caliber offense.

[KirkNC]

I am happy with Portis for Bailey.

I think it is a situation where both teams win.

Hopefully we avoid giving anything extra, if we do it should be less than a 2nd. Perhaps next years second?

Also I would hope before the deal was completed Portis and the Skins agreed on a new long term contract.

Now is the time to 'show Portis the love and respect'. It would make Portis a very happy and loyal Skin while giving the Skins a good value top flight RB.

[timdaley73]

A 2nd rounder and Champ (who we will lose) for Clinton Portis... HMMM... let's think mathematically... with Champ, we could potentially get a 1st rounder and maybe a second rounder). For argument sake, let's just say a 1st rounder definately. So, a first rounder and a second rounder for Clinton Portis... Isn't that what we were asking for Champ from Detroit? But, let's add the 2nd rounder that we may have gotten in additon for Champ... So, a 1st rounder and 2 second rounder for Clinton Portis? That still sounds good to me for a proven elite RB in the league!! He will run for over 2,000 Yards!! With the picks, there is a risk of busting with young unproven college players. with Clinton Portis, we know what he can do!! As far as other needs? The FA is full of good Corners and D-linemen! Kearse, Washington, Bobby Taylor, and Troy Vincent are definate possibilities!! Let's pull the trigger!

[Bang]

I'd take the deal in a hearbteat. Portis is one of THE premier running backs in the game. Absolutely.

Champ is gone.. no doubt about it, may as well get something for him worthwhile, and a back with Portis' skills IS worthwhile.

As far as giving up our second goes,, heaven forbid,, we might miss out on a chance to draft Taylor Jacobs.

~Bang

[Heavy Jumbo]

I'm not really familiar with Portis' running style. Is he a power back, even at 205 lbs? Or will Gibbs' just modify his normal style a little for a quicker back?

[bubba9497]

Again Champ is THE best cb in the league. RB is easier to fill than cb. All backs in Denver get big yards behind their cheap shot blocking.

Champ is a greater value, you don't give up more.

[timdaley73]

Watching Clinton Portis is like watching 3 different RBs... He has the power to run inside... He has the speed to take it outside... AND he can catch the ball from the backfield!! ALL 3 in ONE!!! CLINTON PORTIS is DA MAN!!

[redman]

I agree with you Art. Portis is a remarkable talent, probably one of the best 3-4 RB's in football. But you don't need a great RB to win, you merely need a good one. We've shown time and again under Gibbs and even under Norv and Marty that merely good RB's - Riggins, older version; George Rogers, older version; Riggs, the elder, Byner; Allen; Davis - are sufficient if you have a cohesive line to run the ball.

But there are only a handful of CB's at a given time who are legit "shut down corners", and Bailey's one of them. While this year's FA CB pool is deep, you don't simply replace that.

While I like the fact that Portis is young and is still under contract, I just don't see why we should surrender a 2nd in addition to Bailey for him.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by bubba9497

Again Champ is THE best cb in the league. RB is easier to fill than cb. All backs in Denver get big yards behind their cheap shot blocking.

Champ is a greater value, you don't give up more.

Champ is not the best cb in the league. He is very good but not the best. He is not a game breaker, Portis is.

[National Defense]

i agree with booma--portis can win a game on his own. running behind brunell who will force the D to play honest could be huge for the skins.

remember, his stats last year were behind jake and a mediocre denver passing game, and he still went off. this is a no brainer, even with the #2.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by National Defense

i agree with booma--portis can win a game on his own. running behind brunell who will force the D to play honest could be huge for the skins.

remember, his stats last year were behind jake and a mediocre denver passing game, and he still went off. this is a no brainer, even with the #2.

Last I checked Denver won with Portis we didn't with Champ.

[jbooma]

I think the problem is most people on this board want the second round pick because of the future. The NFL is not about the future anymore it is about winning now. With Portis on our team we can win it all this year or next. The D will get addressed in FA.