Star Wars Ep III SPOILERS

[Sarge]

Don't read if you don't want to know. This guy on a Trek board claims to be George Lucas' janitor or something.

Last chance

Long, and I didn't read all of it

Final warning to Code

Here's the short but sweet deal...(Sorry if I misspell names)

The movie starts with some big battle- Dooka's captured Palpatine and Anakin & Obi Wan are the rescue team, Anakin gives Dooka his walking papers fairly early on in the film (had his scenes cut in LoTR and now a bit part in Episode III this guy gets no respect). Well Anakin saves the day, gets pissed he gets no respect from the other jedis for doing it and becomes Palpatine's right hand man (no pun intented). Well Palpatine is still a busy bee and all - got a universe to enslave you know - and has had all the clone troopers genetically modified so he can take control of them whenever he wants. And baby HE WANTS! So he orders the clone troopers to kill all the Jedi. Most Jedi (who are spread thin and acting as generals of the clone troopers) get taken out when their own troops turn on them. Alot get blown up by tanks, etc. Obi Wan's friend is a clone trooper and he must gut him like a fish when the trooper goes nutso. Obi is sad, very touching scene.

Did I mention it turns out Obi Wan's real name is Ben, thats in there too somewhere.

At some point later on Anakin leds an attack on the Jedi home base and wipes out all the Jedi kids and anyone trying to protect them. Maybe if the other Jedi didn't give them those short little lightsabers they might have had a chance! Then Anakin offs Mace Windu in a scene that looks a whole lot like the RotJ Vader vs Luke scene.

So anyway, Anakin's out doing Palpatine's errands when a very Prego Padme and Obi Wan arrive on the now infamous lava planet in search of Anakin. When Padme faces Anakin on Mustafar, Anakin is incredibly upset with her when he realizes she brought Obi-Wan with her. She led Obi-Wan right to him. From Anakin's point of view, he trusted her and she betrayed him. Anakin force-chokes Padme and throws her aside (where she also hits her head.) Then, the duel begins amidst the corpses of the slaughtered Seperatist leaders.

Anakin / Obi Wan showdown. Anakin gets the crap beat out of him and falls in the lava.

The twins are born on a brand new never-before seen world (whose name has not been revealed yet.) They land there when they realize that Padme isn't going to make it if they keep pushing on to Alderaan. The natives of this planet resemble little grey close encounters/roswell aliens. Padme finally succumbs to her wounds suffered from Anakin during the birthing scene. She is able to share a few choice words with Obi-Wan before passing. Bail, Obi-Wan and Yoda hatch the plans for what to do with the children. Bail sees to it that C-3PO's memory is wiped. Yoda is dropped off via escape pod at Dagobah where he will await the proper time to do his part. The jedi have been utterly duped and defeated by films end.

Medical droids turn the remains of Anakin Skywalker (now named Darth Vader) into the classic trilogy cyborg Darth Vader we know and love. His reveal is very "Frankenstein." (He lays on a slab that slowly rises up when he is completed.) When Vader rises, his first desire is knowledge of Padme's fate. Palpatine calmly and cooly tells him that she is dead and that he(Anakin/Vader) killed her. His sorrow and regret result in an awe-inspiring physical manifestation of the dark side of the force. The entire room buckles and twists away from his anguished screams. Every droid in the room is obliterated. Palpatine has to muster all of his powers just to shield himself from Vader's wrath. Vader's echoed scream segues directly into the next scene: Padme's funeral procession.

Padme's funeral is on Naboo, its a big scene.

Did mention after all the death and destruction Jar Jar lives!

Actually sounds like a pretty good movie, by far the saddest yet. I guess Star Wars will end on a sad note. No idea how the hell they will pull off a PG rating!

-The General Grevious report is completely true. As of recently, his name was still General Grevious. Could it change? Could George re-spell it "Greevus?" Was a Saber-Dart once called a Kyber-Dart? Was Sifo-Dyas once called Sido-Dyas? Sure, but for now, that is the reality. All that is missing from that original report is the fight between Anakin and Dooku (definitely expect limbs to be lost). Palpatine is shackled to his chair (you saw it on hyperspace already) with a huge panoramic window behind him. The room is extremely evocative of the Emperor's throne room in ROTJ. The Seperatist ship that they are aboard is a long, slender, sleek vessel. The hanger bay is towards the back of the ship with giant doors that are open on both sides (so you could fly straight through the hole if you wanted.) Do not picture a TF Droid Control ship. They look nothing alike.

-Obi-Wan and his troops (following orders from the council), track Grevious down. Obi-Wan gives chase of Grevious aboard an animal that would best be described as a large and fast lizard. Grevious rides in a vehicle that resembles a one-wheeled version of a Hailfire droid. During their saber duel, Grevious' forearms each split in two and he wields a total of 4 lightsabers in combat.

-Palpatine had the clone troopers made with genetic data that allows him to take complete control of them when he needs to.

-After Obi-Wan eliminates Grevious (confirmed, its a blaster up the guts. A real juicy death for Grevious. Expect his head to leak fluids too), he returns to his troops. Palpatine gives the order for all the clone troopers to kill their jedi masters. Obi-Wan narrowly escapes and all the jedi in the film from this point forward would be considered enemies of the Republic and fugitives. This scene is a bit tragic for Obi-Wan as he is forced to kill a clone trooper he had befriended fighting together in the clone wars.

-Quick shots are shown on multiple worlds of clone troopers turning on their Jedi generals and eliminating them in several creative ways. (for example, you'll see a new world, followed by Republic tanks with a jedi commander on board. The order is given and the tank next to it turns it's turret and opens fire on the jedi tank at point blank range.) Watch for prominent jedi council members to go out this way.

-Yoda has little difficulty dealing with the clone troopers that turn on him on Kashyyyk, especially with the help of the wookiees. You will see why Han warns about wookiees being known to rip people's arms out of their sockets. And don't expect wookiees to be portrayed as simply "tall ewoks." Their technology is very advanced as is their vehicles, and they make good use of the lagoons on their world during combat. Watch for Yoda to do his whole "Away with your weapons I mean you no harm!" bit to fool the clone troopers as Chewie comes up behind them and knocks them unconscious. Wookiee vehicles definitely have a propeller theme. They have a boat with 2 pontoons (it looks like a catamaran). And they have one-man helicopter vehicles they fly around in.

-The last mission that Palpatine sends Anakin Skywalker on is a mission to the planet Mustafar. He is to terminate the remaining leaders of the Seperatists who have gathered there for a meeting.

-The new bad guy has his own vehicle that is involved in the big chase scene in the movie. Obi-Wan aboard his digital beast is also involved.

-The name Utapau is being resurrected for use in the film.

-Yes, that was a funeral scene on the webcam. No, it is not a clone, a dupe or a ruse as to who dies.

-Anakin vs. Dooku. Palpatine is shackled to his chair watching (with commentary).

-New bad guy has white armor.

- Palpatine and Sidious are the same person. The dark side shrouds everything, even Jedi eyes.

- The new bad guy is the leader of the droid armies. He is the ultimate Jedi-killing machine. He isn't 100% droid but dont' expect his backstory to be revealed in the film. His backstory will be explained as much as Darth Maul's was in Episode I.

- Anakin kills Dooku, and really early in the film as previously reported. And the former Jedi isn't officially named "Darth Vader" until after the lava bath. But don't take this to mean he doesn't do some very very dark things before the duel takes place.

Palpatine has a lightsaber.

Palpatine declares himself Emperor to the Senate, and puts blames on his actions on the shoulders of the Jedi Order.

Padme does indeed die in the film. She dies while giving birth to Luke and Leia. Leia's reference to her beautiful mother is probably Queen Organa of Aldeeran.

Anakin Skywalker demise most likely is the graphic one. This person said that it would be impossible that Episode 3 will get away with a PG Rating. Burns and injuries in Episode 3 will concur with the cybernetic prosthethics seen in the Force Rays Endoskeleton in Return Of The Jedi! They were able to see the cast for the injured Anakin, and it reveals the injury to the left side of the neck and jaw!

Grevious is probably the most awesome Cyborg seen to date. He will be the General in Command of the Droid Army!

No one received the full script to the movie. So no one really knows how everything is going to play out.

Here's our analysis:

Does Palpatine really have a lightsaber? The jury is still out on if that would be even cool or not. So while we can't say for sure, we do believe that the evidence points to this being true.

And we also can confirm the obvious about the Senate scenes for Episode III - the Jedi turn into the big scapegoat for everything, especially the war.

And as for Padme dying giving birth, this also we belive is accurate ... from a certain point of view. Somebody else injures her, if you've read previous SPY REPORTS you'll know who we're taking about and she dies as a result of those injuries. She finally succumbs to those injuries while giving birth. The birthing process itself does not kill her. Maybe the "clinical environment" mentioned in tonight's Behind the Helmet pic will give you an idea of where she is taken to deliver and then die.

Yeah, as stated in previous spy reports, Anakin gets seriously messed up. We know that George will use skillful editing and the Star Wars reputation to maintain his PG rating. Though PG-13 rumblings persist.

As for General Grevious, we'll let Darth Friday tell you what they think of that fellow in the morning. Get on the Grevious train, and pray for a name change, folks.

We're also still not sure of the exact motives in the death of Padme. Something there still isn't adding up but again they've filmed different versions of the same stuff, so who knows. And also keep in mind that Darth Blight reminds us that the full script is indeed still a "work in progress"; the script that the actors had seen was current as of that day in relation to their work.

Hayden Christensen as Darth Vader really isn't in the film for all that long of a time. In fact, he gets maybe five minutes at the maximum. Here's some details on what scenes you can expect him in:

1) He will be seen just for a couple minutes in the much talked about "waking-up" scene. This is after his recovery from the duel and he realizes what he has done and what has happened to him. He is shown here without the cape and upper helmet.

2) There's the "Sith christening" scene also known as the knighting as a Sith Lord. Another couple of minutes when he'll be seen during the film. He is also named here.

3) And finally, there's the "superstructure being built" minute where you can see the Death Star being constructed from his viewpoint with a few other notable Empire characters.

report that helps shed some light on a name change in the movie:

There's a minor quabble among fans on how Obi-Wan gets his name changed to "Ben" in the classic Episode IV. For long lengths to time, fans have speculated that it may be answered in Episode III. Well, from what we hear it will be. Here's how it goes:

Obi-Wan's given name is Ben - but he's been called Obi-Wan for so long no one seems to know otherwise. As they zip around the galaxy in the new Jedi Star/Tiefighters there is a scene where Anakin, having discovered Kenobi's actual name recently (though not seen in the film), calls him "Ben" as a jest in the middle of a blazing firefight. Obi-Wan responds, saying "This is no time for jokes Anakin! Besides you know I hate it when you call me that" - but Anakin persists. "Did Qui-Gon ever know your real name?" he asks. Obi-Wan blasts a few enemy ships, then says he fears that everyone will know now that Anakin does.

Speculation then would lead us to believe that after the fall of Anakin to the Dark Side. Obi-Wan escapes into hiding, calling himself Ben and burying himself on a planet where Vader would least want to return to. He uses the name as a painful reminder of his relationship with the fallen padawan, who he would someday face again one day.

So far we know that Obi-Wan becomes good friends with a character in the film. Ironically, he is a one of the new clonetroopers - you should know that these are the ones that are the final step forward in the evolution to the stormtroopers we all know and love.

The clone/stormtrooper is from Trooper Factory 011 on the planet Coruscant. He is a prototype Stormtrooper. Evidently he is one of the jillions of troopers created for the beginning of the Empire (unbeknownst to Kenobi) and this is one of the scores of factories on different worlds all over the galaxy. We'll finally get to see where the Classic Trilogy stormtroopers are born. You remember that number on their backpack, don't you? Wow.

On the back of this clone/stormtrooper is the number 011 from the factory he was created. Obi-Wan gives him the name (sounding like) "OH11" and they have a brief bit of dialogue in the film to establish their relationship. At one critical moment in the film, when Palpatine turns all of the Clones against the Jedi. O11, who is with Kenobi, becomes stiff and robotic - almost like he is being controlled. Kenobi who is realizing what is happening - ignites his lightsaber and is forced to strike 011 across his chest plate. The Trooper drops to its knees then falls lifelessly to the ground with his blaster still in hand. there's some moving moments to make this scene dreadfully sad. Here is what looks to be the brief dialogue for this scene:

I have some information on the funeral scene in Episode III for you. I actually recieved the information along with details of some other scenes from a friend in early summer, probably around the time pre-production was finishing up, so I'm not too sure about how current it is. Though, I'd guess the general set-up is the same, so onto that...

The gathering is held on Naboo and the scene shouldn't take much longer than the wedding scene in Episode II. Among those in attendance are Sio Bibble, the Queen, some handmaidens, Padme's family, and the loyalists. This is confusing however, because from what I'm told, Bail is taking care to Leia and securing her hiding-place at this point, though I assumed Bail would be included with the Loyalists. So I'm not really sure as to if Bail is there or not. Oh well...back to the scene. The standard ceremonious pretty Naboo dosen't exist at all here, as you'd probably assume that it wouldn't in the context of a funeral.

By now, it's obvious that the Empire is in control, at least to the Loyalists, who are "in the know", it's not clear as to whether or not the Government on Naboo really understands the implications of the recent events yet, or more generally whether the general population of the Galaxy as a whole understand that they are on the brink of Imperial oppression.

While the focus of the scene is on the proceedings of the funeral there is a general tense feeling from those in attendance. Uncertainty and bracing for what's to come.

Now I can't vouch for the authenticity of anything after this because it's from a different source, but I've been suggested that Padme's death is used by the loyalists as almost a rallying point, or, more accurately, proof of their cause to garner support.

And as an aside, here's more info on the same subject from a couple of other sources:

Padme is carried to the graveside in a floating casket, much like the carbonite block carrying Han Solo on Cloud City.

The art was drawn up both ways - one with the casket open and the other simply closed. So we may get a glimpse of her lying inside of it all fixed up...yikes.

TFN reader Darth Insidious got some "friend of a friend" info that fits into the rumor category of Episode III information. The info deals with Yoda and a discovery he makes during the film. Read at your own risk and consider the source:

You heard the spoiler that Yoda discovers that if you kill the master the apprentice will fall, right? It isn't that whenever you kill a master the apprentice dies no matter what. Rather what Yoda learns on Kashykk, apparently, is that the prophecy states that the Dark Lord of the Sith will be defeated by the Chosen One, and when he is defeated his apprentice too shall fall.

Of course this is exactly what happens. Vader kills Sidious, but in so doing is also killed, thus bringing balance to the force.

We like the way this fits, big time. It connects the final prequel in a foreshadowing way to the Classic Trilogy. Hopefully it is accurate

Matthew du Plessis, the PORTAL: Entertainment Editor, told us a few days ago he was going to be interviewing Samuel L. Jackson, so we asked him to clear up some recent rumors about the actor's fate in the new movie. Here's a clip from a fantastic interview with our South African friend:

And again, George Lucas was listening, because as it turns out, Mace Windu goes out in a blaze of glory:

"Yeah it was hard work, a lot harder than before," Jackson told Tiscali's Entertainment Editor in an interview.

"You get what you ask for sometimes, and it's... ah, damn! So, I ended up in Australia, and then I guess I had to rehearse for 8 days before I actually shot it, and learned a 137-move sabre fight. It was crazy."

So who is it that does you in?

"I can't tell you that! Now, that I can't tell you!"

There are rumours floating around the 'Net that Mace gets stabbed in the back by Anakin?

"Nah, it's full frontal".

Ha! Full-frontal lobotomy?

"Yeah!"

Post Extras:

- The Battle of Coruscant will be the biggest space battle the Star Wars franchise has ever seen. Expect to see some cool capital ship vs. capital ship warfare. Each side has lots of varied looking warships. The Republic has ships that are more than just Star Destroyers. Might even see an old Ralph McQuarrie design or two get put into place here.

- Expect one of the final shots of the film to be Vader, Tarkin and Palpatine on a Star Destroyer bridge looking out onto space at the beginnings of a Death Star in progress...(but not necessarily THE last shot of the film...) my understanding of the last shot before iris out will be on Tatooine.

Yoda vs. Sidious DOES happen. Maybe even in the Jedi Temple....maybe in the council chambers...and maybe while the temple is under attack and being destroyed...

- When Obi-Wan kills Grievous, his eyes come out of his head...very Raiders of the Lost Ark gruesome. George likes to leave no doubt that his villains are indeed dead.

- Qui-Gon definitely finds a way to communicate with Obi-Wan in the film.

- You'll empathize with Anakin for feeling neglected and betrayed by the jedi order. They really don't treat him with any respect despite his heroic actions early in the film.

- Remember the set diary where Bail is firing at unseen assailants as he gets to his speeder? Expect him to be shooting at clone/stormtroopers.

- Obi-Wan takes Luke to Tatooine because he knows that Tatooine is the one place that Anakin will never willingly return there.

Some spoilers have indicated that Anakin literally stabs Mace Windu in the back. This could not be further from the truth. Windu and Anakin duel, and (while it is not an even fight, with Sidious helping Anakin) Anakin wins. Simple. However, look to see some elements of the Return of the Jedi in there, when Mace uses the Force to summon his lightsaber, and Anakin springs to the Chancellor/Emperor's defense. Remind you of a similar way to start the Episode VI duel?

Also, Anakin does not literally go in there and take out all the Younglings with his saber. The destruction of the Jedi Temple is aided by him, certainly, but he does not go from room to room slicing down Padawans. There are elements of that, but with older Jedi (probably this is to keep it at a PG rating).

When Obi-Wan returns to Coruscant, he meets up with Yoda and must come to terms with what Anakin has been up to while he was away. The most telling of evidence is proof that Anakin led a raid on the temple with clonetroopers and eliminated the Younglings and any Jedi trying to protect them.

- Padme tracks down Anakin to Mustafar. When she finds him, he has already dispatched all the Seperatist leaders. She is still not full term yet in her pregnancy. Anakin only believes she is pregnant with one child. When the twins are born, it is not due to Padme going into labor, but out of necessity to rescue them from her before she passes.

- Mustafar is the "lava planet" and would best be described as the underbowels of Bespin meets lava processing facilities. Take the environment that Luke and Vader fought in on Bespin, and build it into the side of a volcanic mountain and you'll begin to get a rough idea of what the area will be like.

In light of all of the confusion over (spoiler) Padme's death in the SPY REPORT: A Fatal Accident, Darth Friday sent TFN this stuff early and while readying their usual report as well:

Obi-Wan was sent to the new planet to "break up" a meeting of the Separatists at the location. Padme also has tracked down Anakin there. When she finds Anakin, he has already dispatched all the Seperatist leaders.

She is still not full term yet in her pregnancy. Anakin only believes she is pregnant with one child.

Anakin force-chokes Padme and throws her aside as Obi-Wan ignites his saber and the duel begins.

When the twins are born, it is not due to Padme going into labor, but out of necessity to rescue them from her before she passes.

The twins are born on a brand new never-before seen world.

Elvis1 has dropped some interesting hints of Episode III we've been working to confirm the last few days. Apparently this is "friend of a friend" info, but we believe it is very much on the right track. Here's the scoop:

Padme is killed by Anakin. He uses the force 'strangle' on her and goes a little too far. He doesn't mean to kill her.

Also, when Anakin wakes up as Darth Vader and is told what happened to him he becomes so angry he rips apart the room he's in with the Force.

And lastly, when Mace Windu confronts Palpatine, Palpatine's electricity bolts deflect off Windu's saber and into Anakin's eyes. Anakin flips out again and lops off Mace's arm.

The first two paragraphs we've been able to corroborate for the most part, but the last part about the deflection is something we hadn't heard from anyone else. Make of that what you will and here's a bit more clarification from other insiders we've heard on the subject:

I like the term "Force Choke" myself - and it is a great connection to Vader's penchant for choking people in classic Star Wars.

And the source is on the right track but the reason Vader rips the room apart isn't because of what happened to him. It is because of Vader being told he killed Padme.

There's a new insider in town, the name is Chaos. And they're talking about a concept for Episode III that was literally taken to the drawing board, but never then made it into the final script of the movie. It may be revisted, but don't get your hopes up. Here's the scoop:

Is it too early to talk about deleted scenes for Episode III? Well, this one actually didn't even get out of the art department, but still ...

While Lucas was still fleshing out the story for Episode III, the art department was given some freedom to explore some story arcs and broad concepts of the tentative plot of the film. They were drawing a month after Clones was released. The art inspired the story in a way, rather than drawings based on a completed script as is usually the process.

One of the story lines that was eventually abandoned for the film was how Jar Jar would be redeemed in Episode III. After the original character was decimated in the first film, things got worse, with the story in the second film making him even give Palpatine more control of the universe. The artists hoped they could find a way to redeem him - he could be a hero instead of a joke. A whole subplot was even developed to make that happen - but left behind in preproduction.

So that led to a story arc that we all expected - but also isn't happening. The death of Jar Jar. It was thought out in the art department, too, but when push came to shove George had a change of heart. So he was going to die, but now survives and slips into obscurity for the rest of the Star Wars films.

And a funny story from the olden days. He was originally pitched to be a silent character, and when the rest of the Gungans appear at the end of the film, they were a noble and ****** fighting race ready to kick droid butt and defend Naboo.

Things change while you're making movies - just like how Jar Jar will now survive Episode III.

After the events of the absolutely epic opening space battle, the droid general has escaped, Palpatine has been rescued and Dooku is dead. Unfortunately, the Seperatist cruiser that Obi-Wan, Anakin and Palpatine is on, has now broken apart and tumbles into the atmosphere of Coruscant. The "Coruscant Fire Department" sends up fire ships to help guide the ship in for as safe of a crash landing as they can manage. This certainly is a "Grevious" situation. Haha, I've been wanting to say that. Anyhow, this seems like a reasonable explanation to the Fire Ship idea, I've been wondering how that would fit in. It makes sense that a city planet would have a way to fight fires and rescue people from extreme situations. This could be the reason several "extreme wind" situations have been called for on set.

-Anakin expects to be treated with more respect by the Jedi order now after having killed Dooku and rescuing Palpatine. When the droid general is tracked down, Obi-Wan is sent off on the mission to take him down, not Anakin. Palpatine, in response to his being kidnapped, uses this as a foil to upgrade his security and make Anakin his personal bodyguard. Another step for Anakin to be closer to Palpatine and in the future the Dark Side. He is getting prideful with slaying Dooku, and we see him now separated from Obi-Wan yet again. A receipe for disaster. And "upgrading the security" sure sounds like the Red Guards finally get much deserved recognition.

- Anakin does indeed have to make a "choice" in the film. That choice is given to him by Palpatine. In response, Mace Windu chooses to try and defend himself. This sounds like it fits with the Palpidious SPY REPORT earlier this week. Anakin is guarding Palpatine, per the spoiler above, and Mace comes for a visit. We see a flash of the ROJ Palpatine, then he unloads on Mace. Anakin and Mace duel, with Mace going down hard - sealing Anakin's embrace of the Dark Side.

Timberwolf comes back again tonight with some more spoilers on makeup tests of Palpatine in Episode III. So far the Star Wars Insider magazine has showed him looking a lot like his Episode II days but with new costumes for the sequel. But this insider tells us more tonight on what to expect in SW3:

I don't know if he's been using the Dark Side of the Force to cover it up or what - but the real Palpatine is getting some serious face time in Episode III. OK, I don't really know how much screen time Palpidious (funny name saw in the forums, sorry) is getting - but I do know they prepped him for a closeup.

There was an image from Episode III recently that showed the actor in costume getting ready to shoot a scene. It is intentionally misleading because that isn't what you'll really see him as in the film. Well, kind of - the side he shows the Jedi is still relatively tame, when we finally see the reveal it'll be a throwback to the ole' Return of the Jedi days.

In a makeup test, they had Ian McDiarmid looking just like the Emperor we know from the Classics, complete with yellow eyes and terrible crevaces of deep facial features. In one shot he's kind of gritting his teeth looking right at the camera. There are dark rings of red and brown under and around his eyes, and his lips are pursed and cracked. His face doesn't just look weathered, it looks plain evil. His black cloak is over his head in this first test shot.

In a second shot, his cloak is removed and you can see the top of his head. It is more of a casual shot with Ian almost smiling an evil grin to the camera. You can SO see him under the laytex, its some great work there. From this side shot you can see the intricate aging work in his neck and forehead, the man looks evil - a face only a mother could love. And even then, it might be difficult.

Why does Sidious look like this? He always did. Palpatine is his disguise/alternate persona he adopted to get himself into political power. He isn't able to maintain the disguise while using his powers and you'll see him flash to his Sidious look earlier in the film until he does the official "unveiling."

So would it be cool to see a first glimpse of this face as Palpatine feels the Dark Side flow through his body at a critical point in the film? Maybe there's been a confrontation, and Palpatine realizes this is the time to open up a can of something on a visiting Jedi

[codeorama]

LOL Sarge.. Thanks for the warning, but I'm way past being spoiler free.

The basic outline of the movie has been out for a while.

The majority of the stuff here is dead on.

There are a few details that have rumors both ways, like the scene were Anakin becomes Vader by name... Several "insiders" put it after he is in the armor, and a other "insiders" say it takes place after Anakin sides with Palpatine and kills Mace at the halfway point of the movie. (Mace confronts Palpatine and they fight, Mace and Palpatine both try to get Anakin to choose a side and Anakin ultimately choses Palpatines).

Great post, it's pretty consistant with everything I've been reading.

Only 14 more months to go....LOL

[KevinthePRF]

This all sounds very very good. But there in lies the problem. It sounds like a movie seen from a fan's prospective.

No way will Lucas dare to shy away from his campiness torwards 12 year olds as he has proclaimed. Daring to move away from a PG rating? I don't think so.

[Jay Master Jay]

Cant wait for this one it should be the best of the six.

[codeorama]

Originally posted by KevinthePRF

This all sounds very very good. But there in lies the problem. It sounds like a movie seen from a fan's prospective.

No way will Lucas dare to shy away from his campiness torwards 12 year olds as he has proclaimed. Daring to move away from a PG rating? I don't think so.

I don't expect this movie to be any different from the others.

I love them all. But the bottom line is that they are kid B Movies. That's how they were intended and they have pretty much stayed true to that.

The dialog has been cheezy from the beginning.

[AJWatson3]

i couldn't resist... for some reason i thought it was supposed to come out this summer? guess that's why i haven't seen any commercials or trailers for it.

[National Defense]

NEW spoiler: darth vader is luke skywalker's father.

[WallyG3]

Oh man, you mean Senator/Chancellor Palpatine is really Emporer Palpatine and Darth Sidious?

I knew I shouldn't have read that!

[Ghost of]

Code

That thing about all of them being B/kid movies is overblown--mainly by Lucas and supporters of the insulting prequel trilogy(though this next one sounds promising)

Despite inferior effects(though still quite good in some cases) the classics will abide for all time because they ARE great. Sure, RotJ fell off a bit, but it wasn't bad.

The dialogue is cheesy--sure...actually, that's a problem with epic films, especially in fantasy settings. For some, though they'd be wrong and stupid, the dialogue in LotR is cheesy. To some people anything that expresses emotions or thoughts or uses language common to legend and myth is "corny" or "cheesy."

Yeah there are some bad lines in there, but there're bad lines in every film(just about.) There's only so many ways you can express a thought and sometimes, even the most eloquent will sound like something we've heard before.

Fact is, for WHATEVER reason, the acting in the originals is far superior and the chemistry is better. Despite the vibrant colors and effects, the films seem to have a sterile and dead quality to them. There is no moment thus far that matches the emotion evoked by the funeral pyre scene, Luke looking at the twin suns of Tatooine, looking at his burned out homestead and the skeletons of his aunt and uncle or any of the great moments with Yoda.

Those films weren't well-received because of children, code, but because of the reaction of adults like my mother and father. They may not have collected the toys or stuff like that, but they placed Star Wars and Empire among their classics. My mom cried at the end of RotJ. My mom could care less about these last two prequels.

So let's squash that myth. Whether it was Irv Kershner and Gary Kurtz that helped rein in the childish or juvenile tendencies of Lucas or if he's just lost it---the originals were great and these prequels AREN'T.

[Muskrat]

I sincerely hope that this turns out to be as good as it sounds like it will be...Lucas needs to do something to salvage the prequels (although I DO like them) in the eyes of the general public.

[Commander PK]

I think the original trilogy is great, and up until the Lord of the Rings, it hadn't been surpassed. These new films are good, not great. I think that these films were inevitably beaten down by the hype (remember people were talking about Episode 1, YEARS before it came out, I remember first hearing about a new Star Wars film back in like 94 or something, what other movie has ever been hyped that much?) I don't believe that Lucas stood a chance of living up to the hype. Episode I was dissapointing, Episode II was much better, Episode III will probably be really good. Although.... sometimes I wonder if Lucas ever has second thoughts about all this...... whether "Star Wars" would have been better off left alone? :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[Ghost of]

The problem with the prequel, and I remember reading this before EP I came out, is that the subject matter he was dealing with is NOT B movie material.

The fall of a man's soul into darkness and taking his place in an oppressive Empire and personally executing, murdering and slaughtering his compatriots is a SERIOUS topic.

If done right, the prequel trilogy could have taken its place among the all-time great films(or at least one of them could have, with two very high quality films aside from Ep 3) But no one with any objectivity can argue that it has been done right.

Lucas' loss of magic is seen with Chewbacca doing the Tarzan yell, which completely brings us out of the fantasy universe and back to earth, poop and gas jokes(the sarlacc burp), little teddy bears defeating the Emperor's crack troops, changing Han Solo from the cool rogue that he was to a simpleton, and insertion of the scream into what was a noble choice for Luke--refusing to join his father and accepting what he thought was death.

[codeorama]

Ghost...

There are several intervies of George Lucas in the early 80's where he discusses why he started with Episode IV. His answer was simple, the last three movies were less political, they were more of a fairy tale. He said way back then that the beginning of the story was not going to be as popular because of the politics involved.

Rigid acting? Lets compare.

In the OT, you have a farmboy, a pirate, and a rebel princess.

In the PT you have 2 jedi knights and a queen/senator. The setting is the difference. The jedi order is a rigid and formal order, the queen/senator is formal except when she was the handmaiden, and in those cases, she acted appropriately. Basically, the times and circumstances are vastly different.

Wouldn't you agree that the British Royal family would be a whole lot more rigid and uptight than BlackBeard, Opie Taylor and Joan of Arc?

IMO, that's the difference.

I enjoy the movies, my 5 year old nephew loves the movies and has every SW toy imagineable.

LOTR is over his head, he had no interest, he didn't want any of the toys. But he knows that Sidious is Palpatine... at five years old.

[codeorama]

Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin

But no one with any objectivity can argue that it has been done right.

Again, I disagree. I visit 4 different SW message boards, and of course there are people who wish there were differences, but by far, the vast majority of SW fans love the PT.

I can say with certainty, at 29, when EP I came out, I never expected to see the movies in the same way as the OT. And I don't. But I don't see the OT the same way anymore. When I view the original movies now, I see many things that were over my head when I was a kid, but the beauty of it was that it had a deep and meaningful story with a whole "history" of it's own, but still kept (and keeps) little kids glued to the screen.

Unlike the LOTR movies... it gets to the point quickly and moves on.

[Muskrat]

No doubt the Prequels are deeper films the OT, and that is why I think they get a raw deal (IMO).

[Ghost of]

Like a jazz solo that is technically better or more complex than a simple pop song, that does not make it more emotionally evocative or significant to the vast bulk of listeners.

[Glenn X]

Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin

for WHATEVER reason, the acting in the originals is far superior and the chemistry is better. Despite the vibrant colors and effects, the films seem to have a sterile and dead quality to them. There is no moment thus far that matches the emotion evoked by the funeral pyre scene, Luke looking at the twin suns of Tatooine, looking at his burned out homestead and the skeletons of his aunt and uncle or any of the great moments with Yoda.

Those films weren't well-received because of children, code, but because of the reaction of adults like my mother and father. They may not have collected the toys or stuff like that, but they placed Star Wars and Empire among their classics. My mom cried at the end of RotJ. My mom could care less about these last two prequels.

So let's squash that myth. Whether it was Irv Kershner and Gary Kurtz that helped rein in the childish or juvenile tendencies of Lucas or if he's just lost it---the originals were great and these prequels AREN'T.

Ditto. Bigtime. And, along with Kersh and Kurtz, don't forget about screenwriters Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan. I happen to feel that the dialogue was far snappier and less clunky in Empire and Jedi because of their involvement.

When the prequels were on the drawing board, there was a lot of talk of ace screenwriter Frank Darabont perhaps being hired by Lucas to help Lucas write the new movies. Unfortunately, however, that never came to pass.

BTW, have y'all heard about Lucas's decision to release Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi on DVD in their revisionist "special" edition versions, not the original theatrical cuts? Well, I guess I'm gonna have to grab those flicks on laserdisc now, as I have little interest in purchasing Lucas's sh*tty "remixes" on DVD. Thanks, George.

[codeorama]

Glenn... Do you have the Alien box set... how is it?

[Henry]

I'm not buying the DVDs. Not if they only put out the Special Editions. I've just picked up a mint copy of the original version off of Ebay, which will stay hidden away until my kids grow up and stop ruining my tapes. It's not widescreen, but I guess i can't have everything.

[codeorama]

I'll buy the DVD's. While I like the original versions better, beggars can't be choosers.

Besides, the Indy Jones box set is the most well done DVD's I own.

The picture and sounds are brilliant. Awsome DVD's. I'm sure the picture quality and sounds will be similar on the SW OT DVDs

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Does anyone know if they are really going to make a sequel triology. My roommate is a huge SW fan and he told me that they weren't going to originally but now they are....

[codeorama]

Originally posted by speedwagon20

Does anyone know if they are really going to make a sequel triology. My roommate is a huge SW fan and he told me that they weren't going to originally but now they are....

Rumor has it that Steven Speilberg is trying do another trilogy. Lucas is on the record saying that he will not because it is too time consuming and he has other things he wants to do. These rumors say that Speilberg has asked to direct a SW movie several times and I have seen Speilberg on E! say he has always wanted to direct a SW movie, anyway the Rumors say that as Lucas and Speilberg are working on Indy IV, Speilberg is working Lucas over about a similar working arrangement for a third trilogy. Lucas writes and Speilberg directs, just like they have on the Indy Jones series.

What a third trilogy would be about is still up in the air. I've heard rumors of it taking place 20 years after ROTJ, and I've heard of it taking place in the 20 years between EP III and IV, as the adventures of Han Solo.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Oh man, if they do the triology I'd really prefer for it to be a continuation after Return of the Jedi.

Although I could see how it would be interesting to see Han Solo's backstory with all the happenings between the prequels and originals as a backdrop.

[Henry]

I for one would love to see a Speilberg-directed SW movie.

[TK]

Originally posted by Henry

I for one would love to see a Speilberg-directed SW movie.