GrimReaper21 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Redskins | Even with Brunell, Ramsey Could Start - from www.KFFL.com Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:22:33 -0800 Washington Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs was clear to point out Saturday, Feb. 21, that even if the Redskins finalize a deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars and land QB Mark Brunell, that does not mean that Brunell will be the team's starting quarterback and it will be an open competition that could come away with Patrick Ramsey as the team's starter. Gibbs still believes Ramsey has a bright future with the Redskins and said he couldn't see any hypothetical situations that involves Ramsey being traded to another team. Redskins | Nothing Finalized with Brunell - from www.KFFL.com Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:21:56 -0800 Washington Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs said Saturday, Feb. 21, that nothing has been finalized with the Jacksonville Jaguars to land quarterback Mark Brunell. He said that is still in progress. Gibbs said the team has felt the need to solidify their quarterback position. Redskins | Want Bailey to Stay - from www.KFFL.com Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:21:26 -0800 Updating ongoing reports, Washington Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs said at the NFL Combine the team isn't sure on what will happen with CB Champ Bailey, who has been slapped with the team's franchise tag. Gibbs speculated that about six teams are interested in the services for Bailey, who is currently on the trading block. Gibbs said the team will end up either keeping him or receiving proper value for a player of his ability. He was clear to note the Redskins would love to keep him. Redskins | Betts Viewed as Third-down Back - from www.KFFL.com Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:20:42 -0800 Washington Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs said Saturday, Feb. 21, at the NFL Combine that he sees RB Ladell Betts as an excellent third down back. However, he was also quick to point out all of the new coaching staff has just watched film of their own players. The team will have a minicamp March 26, which will give them a better look at their own players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 The man has spoken. Let the bs rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 BETTS, the third down back, huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.S.F Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 BETTS, the third down back, huh. Humm, what does this mean? I can't remember seeing lots of catches from him. Does he have good hands? Wonder who is the 1st and 2nd down back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquari0217 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 The man has spoken. Let the bs rest. Didnt this man say he is confident that Bailey would return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenster95 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Well, let's hear it folks: Gibbs is a liar. C'mon y'all. You got it in ya. Gibbs is a liar, right? And whither WUSA? Morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Betts is a great all around running back. Quick feet and can catch. Using him as a third down back only would be... less than wise. Using Chad Morton in that regard would be better. He is the mold of a third down back. Why don't any of these updates have any actual quotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 The man has spoken. Let the bs rest. AMEN!! Give the Ramsey/Sexton topic a rest. Gibbs has stated AGAIN that there is OPEN competition. How many more times does he have to say it? If you still have the urge to question Joe Gibbs,I'm sorry but you may be experiencing a condition known as Norvitis. If your diagnosed with Norvitis this long after his departure,there is no cure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 He has said the same thing from the beginning. All the players will have to earn their jobs. That's the way you get depth on a team and find out who can play. We have an entirely new coaching staff that doesn't know these players. I know Gibbs and he's a winner.:coach: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenster95 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Aquari, he said it was "safe to assume" that Bailey would return. That's far from the guarantee he's given about Ramsey. Also, we have a lot more control over the Ramsey situation, unlike Bailey's. Ramsey is under contract with us, has a very cap friendly figure, and can't demand squat. Bailey, however, though tagged, drags our cap and has a lot more leverage than does Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 The man has spoken. Let the bs rest. And a very big AMEN BROTHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Skeletor The Invincible Betts is a great all around running back. Quick feet and can catch. A great all around running back? I hope this is an exaggeration on your part. He is what he is: a mediocre NFL runner, who apparently couldn't beat out an awful Trung Candidate for the starting spot. I hope I'm wrong, but he's just average to my eyes. Definitely a reach in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by aquari0217 Didnt this man say he is confident that Bailey would return? Look at the words and the meaning dude "I'm fairly confident Bailey would return". The Skins have the franchise tag on Bailey. Technically, he's going to return. You'd be correct to say he's fairly "confident" he's going to return. In fact, the ONLY way he's not going to return is if a team decides to trade for him. And all the articles have pointed out Snyder's demands for Bailey. A 1st, 2nd and a player. And every team so far has no complied with that trade request... as they're trying to get him for less. Yes, I'd be confident he'd return too if I knew teams had to cough up that kind of compensation for Bailey. The fact that teams haven't pulled the trigger yet is a pretty consistent with Gibbs' statement. But if a team is going to blow you away with an offer... then of course everything changes. But right now.. it's Bailey's agent Jack Reale who's been doing all the negotiating. He's getting the ball rolling. And when a guy like Mariucci said yesterday at the combines "At this point, we don't even know what kind of compensation the Skins are looking for yet because they haven't told us"... Is that not a pretty good indication that the Skins haven't even begun to talk "trades" yet with other teams? Is that not the action of a team the expects Bailey to return? At this time, they're not even entertaining trade offers. I'd be pretty confident at this point too that Bailey will return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4Life Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Skeletor The Invincible Betts is a great all around running back. Quick feet and can catch. Using him as a third down back only would be... less than wise. Using Chad Morton in that regard would be better. He is the mold of a third down back. Why don't any of these updates have any actual quotes? I think what Gibbs is thinking here when he says that he'll likely plug in Betts as the third down back, is that Betts seems to be in the mold of a Gerald Riggs, or perhaps a Leroy Hoard. The big burly backs who could get the short yardage, without having to worry constantly about fumbling the ball. Gibbs is right in that regards. Betts would be fine in that kind of role. He would be fine as an every-down back as well, if given the chance, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Hmm Betts as a 3rd down back doesnt bode well for Trung Hopefully Betts is in the weight room with the strength coach bulking up to become a poor mans E Byner. Then we could use Scoots Morton on 3rd down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by NavyDave Hmm Betts as a 3rd down back doesnt bode well for Trung Hopefully Betts is in the weight room with the strength coach bulking up to become a poor mans E Byner. Then we could use Scoots Morton on 3rd down As someone posted in another thread, Mark Brunell said that Gibbs assured him that the running game would be addressed this offseason. Any speculation on this gang? Maybe I'm dreaming but Greg Jones from FSU would look good in our backfield. Anyone here think we've got a chance at getting him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 . However, he was also quick to point out all of the new coaching staff has just watched film of their own players. The team will have a minicamp March 26, which will give them a better look at their own players. Let's not read too much into this Betts thing. It's just a preliminary observation. The quote above says it all. There is still a lot of evaluating to do. We can't take EVERYTHING Gibbs says as the gospel. If he says it's "safe to assume" that Champ will be back, the comment was based on what was happening at that particular time. Circumstances change that he may not have any control over. That doesn't make him a liar but he's also not a psychic. He's just an honest man who understands things can change in a heartbeat in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 It's flattering to know that Gibbs saw kinda what I saw about Betts(short-term here) Betts showed, to me, too much inconsistency running and doesn't finish well at all. He also does that weird thing of turning his back to the D. It seems defensive and maybe it's to protect the ball but he gets stood up and takes a lot of hits. Betts, out of our backs right now, is the best blocker. On 3rd down, you need someone who is a running and receiving threat. If Morton comes in, you know it's a draw or pass, but he will not be able to block that well. Betts catches the ball well and is a fine receiver. I thought everyone knew that he was a better receiver from the beginning. Trung is NOT a good receiver and thus, despite his superior speed, is not well suited to the role. He might be able to learn to catch, but he can't block at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeypeet Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 This quote from Gibbs, about Betts, really reminds me of what I like so much about him as a coach and talent evaluator. Last year it really seemed as if Trung was going to get every chance to start (and see a lot of PT) because of what we sacrificed to acquire him. In fact it seems that way with a lot of our players. I think Rod Gardner, Trotter, and a few others were also afforded this luxury. Now with Gibbs at the helm we, hopefully, won't be seeing that. As another poster mentioned, with Ladell playing the 3rd down role what role will Trung fufill? Hopefully none at all. Gibbs is doing exactly what he shoud be, ignoring past considerations surrendered and treating them as sunk costs. In fact, I wouldn't doubt if this same rational went into the acquisition of Brunell. Joe knew we needed an upgrade/added depth/etc. at the qb position. As opposed to what our previous coaches would do, Gibbs went out and got our supposed concrete lock starter and qb of the future some competition. It may cause turmoil but at least we don't have to worry that our coaching staff isn't looking at each and every position through a microscope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin Betts catches the ball well and is a fine receiver. Wow, what a double threat! //Re-dun-dun-dant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Well folks, I have said it before and i will say it again now. Ladell Betts CANNOT be a featured back in the NFL. He's not good enough, I like the guy but its true. He did impress me with his hands and quickness in the open field, which is why I think he will be a very good 3rd down back. And he can do a little bit with a few carries a game. So thats a pretty good idea I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 EMB Actually, that's not redundant. WHen I think of "receiver" I think of someone who runs well in the open field, runs the proper routes, has that ability to find a hole in the coverage or disappear, only to reappear with the ball near the end of the play. Catching the ball well does not equal being a fine receiver, however important a face it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin EMB Actually, that's not redundant. WHen I think of "receiver" I think of someone who runs well in the open field, runs the proper routes, has that ability to find a hole in the coverage or disappear, only to reappear with the ball near the end of the play. Catching the ball well does not equal being a fine receiver, however important a face it is. When I think of reciever, I think of someone who can actually catch the ball to be able to do the things you listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 what's really fun here on the board is I think there were more people that trusted the first moves that Steve Spurrier made than what appear to be Gibbs first moves to solidify the QB spot and look to some potential free agent DL that will be available in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 EMB The fact remains that merely catching the ball well is not the only part of being a quality receiver(be it at the TE spot, the WR or RB position) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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