aquari0217 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 I've been reading here for a while, now for my first post: Ramsey is not as great as some of you make him out to be. People knew he wasnt that great until Ramsey's brother started posting. Does his brother posting on a message board make fans feel like he is family? I remember someone talking about Ramsey negitively then his brother came on and chewed the guy out and no one has really said anything about Ramsey after that. It's like this... Ramsey = Bledsoe. Strong arm but holds the ball to long and takes to many sacks. Bledsoe and Brady ran the same systems and guess who won the job? Duh. A strong arm dosnt mean to much, IMO. I'll take that 1st round pick for Ramsey in a heart beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 disagree... 1) he has the intangibles. it's more than arm strength. 2) he did quite well qwhen the protection was worth a *amn. It boils down to whether the Skins want to make a long term investment in a key position or believe they can sign another team's disgruntled PR 3 years down the road or draft the future QB now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Ramsey = Bledsoe???? Thats an extremely dubious assertion. The guy is essentially a ROOK. Yeah, he's held onto the ball too long. He's also had squat for consistent coaching, been left to fend off raving defenders on his own, and barely 2 years of experience on the field. Come talk to me in 10 years. If he's still getting pummelled, sacked, and beaten up, you'll have an argument. Now if you want to start over and say Ramsey's like Bledsoe because of his incredible arm, toughness under fire, never say die attitude, and raw intelligence, then I'd be inclined to agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINZ_DOMIN8 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Ramsey is not as great as some of you make him out to be. People knew he wasnt that great until Ramsey's brother started posting. Does his brother posting on a message board make fans feel like he is family I remember someone talking about Ramsey negitively then his brother came on and chewed the guy out and no one has really said anything about Ramsey after that. Dude, I sure have. I could CARE LESS who is who's brother/sister/cousin/dog if you wanna be the QB of the Redskins then win it in camp and don't use the media as your little weapon. But I have noticed as of late that there are fewer and fewer Ramsey fans. Just as I predicted. The Redskins don't need to go through another Brad "Opie-Taylor" Johnson scenario. I will hate that piece of vomit for the rest of my life for what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquari0217 Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 Yes, Ramsey's like Bledsoe because of his incredible arm, toughness under fire, never say die attitude, and raw intelligence. And how did the Bills do this year? Anyway, it's still boils down to the facts about Ramsey. It's not coincidence that at Tulane he set the school sack record, then comes to the NFL and gets hit more than Woeful, Shane Matthews, and Hasselbeck combined??? It is all hype. In college they said he played poor because the talent around him. So i was excited to get him. Then last year it was the inside oline and no number 1 reciever This year it is the system. When he has been playing in the same system for 2 years. Next year it will be his foot . Ramsey is a fan favorite because of his blue collar toughness. He has the arm of Beldsoe but like Bledsoe that's it. An arm and some toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Essentially, I agree with you here Aqua....Ramsey is still raw. I think he'd benefit greatly from watching and practicing with Brunell (and doing some relief work occasionally), not to mention what he'd glean from the Master himself. But he has to be the one to swallow his pride and accept that might be a possibility. If he can't, he's going to have a long couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Have you ever seen a Tulane game? They suck balls every year. You think our O-line sucked last year? Watcha Tulane game next season and see a truly terrible football team. Ramsey was the only thing close to talent on the teams he played on. That's in his psyche, and it's something to Coach Gibbs will have to work on, but I think it can be done. As for the clipboard, if he doesn't win the starting job, great. Go back and watch Super Bowl 22. During one shot you'll see Joe Gibbs on the side line and right next ot him was a young..........................Mark Rypien. Coach Gibbs is just dong what he feels comfortable with, having a vet and a kid on the sideline. If PR can't honestly beat Brunell out, then as we say in the military, shut up and color. I would hope he can get by on 600K for this year and possibly next. In two or three years, PR will be in the position of becoming the starter and can get Brunell type money from the Skins. He'll have the proper attitude installed by Gibbs and know how to win. And maybe most importantly, he'll be in one piece and will know how to stay in one piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECTerp Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Let him go If he is not man enough to compete then, I say good bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Gibbs and Ramsey had a meeting a couple of weeks ago. Both emerged saying basically"everything is clear/cool". Joe Gibbs has said EVERY position is up for grabs and that starting positions will be earned on the field. Just what in the blue hell does the man have to say to make it any clearer? To all the doubters...just how many riflemen are on your own personal grassy knoll? Chill out........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo. Redskins22 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 I wonder why everyone thinks Ramsey is so damn good, who is to say that he will be the next Brett Farve or even the next Jeff George. Just because he has looked good at times doesn't mean that he will be a pro bowl player that all of you think. Now look at this years start he had good games the first few weeks when he played against second team defensive backfields and once he got to playing against first team defensive backfields he went to $hit, so I guess the blocking breakdowns just started happening in week 3 or 4 and on, I don't think so. Who is to say that Henson will not be the next Farve or George also. The thing is Ramsey is unhappy and no matter what everyone says if he wants a trade then let him go. As for Sexton if he won't rework Samuels contract so we can have some cap space then I say look for a trade for him to (Chicaga is looking for a LT said on www.kffl.com) It doesn't happen very often that once a player starts getting hurt every year that he will turn it around and not get hurt all the time (look at Tre Johnson) I'm sure we all wanted to keep him but he couldn't stay healthy so we had to move on that is part of the bussiness no matter how good a player they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Why in the world would people see Patrick Ramsey as being somebody who wants to run away and hide from a challenge?!?!?! The guy was beaten to a pulp in numerous games this past season, kept on picking himself back up off the turf, and never shyed away from anything that opposing defenses brought his way. Think back to the Dallas game, the Buffalo game, etc, etc. So why does the arrival of Mark Brunell, a QB in his mid 30s, all of a sudden mean that Patrick is afraid and not man enough to compete for the starting job? Some people need to check their heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Rejuvenated Canadian Hog Why in the world would people see Patrick Ramsey as being somebody who wants to run away and hide from a challenge?!?!?! The guy was beaten to a pulp in numerous games this past season, kept on picking himself back up off the turf, and never shyed away from anything that opposing defenses brought his way. Think back to the Dallas game, the Buffalo game, etc, etc. So why does the arrival of Mark Brunell, a QB in his mid 30s, all of a sudden mean that Patrick is afraid and not man enough to compete for the starting job? Some people need to check their heads. Maybe they think this way because they are still in the grips of Norvitis? or Spurrieritis?:paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Ramsey EARNED every bit of respect from the people on this board for his play last season. Now if HE actually comes out and says that he wants a trade when he gets back from his vacation, I'll be the first one to tell Joe Gibbs to change his mind and trade him. If Patrick can't agree to fight it out with Brunell and get some REAL coaching, if he wants to be handed the starting job on a silver platter, I don't want him here. But I have to hear it from HIM first and not his supposed mouthpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Just so you know. Your small window into this site does not constitute reality. Ramsey earned the respect of this board from his first start. Long before his brother showed his face. And speaking of bayou, he made one comment when things were getting out of hand. There were plenty of times he could have said something before and since but he has not. As a matter of fact one of bayou's first comments was that we should not feel like we have to act any different because he is around. Now just because he excersized his right to speak his mind ONE TIME, you want to hang him with some bum rap. News flash. He has a right to speak his mind just like you and just like me. If you don't like it, that's just too bad. And in case you are wondering about my opinion, I think you need to learn more before you come here and tell us all how things are. :hammer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquari0217 Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 Mad Mike, I stated the facts...but it;s not as serious as you are making it out to be. Fine that a QB earned your respect by picking himelf off the ground, that's what he is supposed to do. Ramsey has proven nothing to cry for a trade. We need to weed out all the cry babies and players that dont want to be here. And just so you know this small window called a message board does not constitute reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 This year it is the system. When he has been playing in the same system for 2 years. If you think what Spurrier brought with him is a system, you need to watch a lot of game tapes of the Gibbs Skins, or the Parcells Giants. PR is virtually a rookie when it comes to a REAL football program. It would serve PR well to be teamed up with Gibbs and Brunell, to learn form a top teir coach, and vet QB in a PROVEN system. It would serve the Redskins well if this happens. I haven't seen many young QB's light it up in their first two seasons. PR has all the tools needed to be a very good QB with solid coaching, and an outstanding QB under Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by aquari0217 And just so you know this small window called a message board does not constitute reality Neither does your opinion. I think it's hilarious that two new guys who registered in Feb. 2004 pretend to know they have a handle of this community or its members. ExtremeSkins has been around since 1999. I'm member #1. So if you think you a better idea of this community... you're delusional. Just because you yell the loudest and most often... doesn't make you right. Bayou registered here in Aug. 2003. And it took a few months afterwards before he even pronounced his bloodlines to the community. However, everyone has been on the Ramsey bandwagon here since Day 1. Even PRIOR to his drafting. And the ONLY negative sentiment directed towards Mr. Ramsey has NOT come from his on-field actions... but OFF-FIELD actions from his agent (ie. the holdout and now the words recently from his agent). No one has been questioning his physical talents. After after 2 years and 16 starts... Ramsey is exactly where he should be in terms of NFL experience and development. He's not ahead of the curve by any means. No one is saying Ramsey should be handed the job. Everyone is saying they'd like an open competition for the position and that he's the QB of the future since Brunell has about 2-3 years left in him anyways. That's the gist of it. Of course, now that Sexton is speaking out... only now are people beginning to question Ramsey as the future QB of this team. If the Brunell discussion never came up.. or we had acquired a Trent Dilfer... all this discussion would be moot. And so would your post. You see what I'm saying. It's pretty obvious who actually has some football wits about them in this thread. Those are the people who the "intelligent" posters will engage in discussion. And the nonsensical posters will continue to start new posts on rehashed topics... trying their best to be heard and standout among the crowd begging for attention by calling other people "crybabies". Those people don't last too long around here. No one is saying you have to agree with everybody's opinions or general sentiment. Just like no one is saying "people here are walking around egg shells because Ramsey's brother is here". There's a way to discuss things intelligently and respectively. You want to trade Ramsey for a first round pick. Great. We get it. But no one here is a sniffing Ramsey's jock. And if they do, it's not because of bayougator. There was about 5000 of us here before he got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Thanks DH. That's the point I was trying to make. Even though I may dissagree with aquari's opinion of Patrick, he has a right to it. Where I take exception is when some new guy comes here and tries to tell us all what we are thinking and why. The idea that we were not high on Patrick before his bro showed up is absurd. The idea that somone would leap to that conclusion leads me to doubt the reasoning power of the person in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquari0217 Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Die Hard Neither does your opinion. I think it's hilarious that two new guys who registered in Feb. 2004 pretend to know they have a handle of this community or its members. ExtremeSkins has been around since 1999. I'm member #1. So if you think you a better idea of this community... you're delusional. Just because you yell the loudest and most often... doesn't make you right. Bayou registered here in Aug. 2003. And it took a few months afterwards before he even pronounced his bloodlines to the community. However, everyone has been on the Ramsey bandwagon here since Day 1. Even PRIOR to his drafting. And the ONLY negative sentiment directed towards Mr. Ramsey has NOT come from his on-field actions... but OFF-FIELD actions from his agent (ie. the holdout and now the words recently from his agent). No one has been questioning his physical talents. After after 2 years and 16 starts... Ramsey is exactly where he should be in terms of NFL experience and development. He's not ahead of the curve by any means. No one is saying Ramsey should be handed the job. Everyone is saying they'd like an open competition for the position and that he's the QB of the future since Brunell has about 2-3 years left in him anyways. That's the gist of it. Of course, now that Sexton is speaking out... only now are people beginning to question Ramsey as the future QB of this team. If the Brunell discussion never came up.. or we had acquired a Trent Dilfer... all this discussion would be moot. And so would your post. You see what I'm saying. It's pretty obvious who actually has some football wits about them in this thread. Those are the people who the "intelligent" posters will engage in discussion. And the nonsensical posters will continue to start new posts on rehashed topics... trying their best to be heard and standout among the crowd begging for attention by calling other people "crybabies". Those people don't last too long around here. No one is saying you have to agree with everybody's opinions or general sentiment. Just like no one is saying "people here are walking around egg shells because Ramsey's brother is here". There's a way to discuss things intelligently and respectively. You want to trade Ramsey for a first round pick. Great. We get it. But no one here is a sniffing Ramsey's jock. And if they do, it's not because of bayougator. There was about 5000 of us here before he got here. Oops, my bad. I dint know I couldnt post opinions if I just registered. Gimmie a break dude; do you have any idea how that sounds. My opinions are just as valid as anyone elses opinions. If you read my post correctly I called Ramsey a crybaby...I didnt call out anyone on this so called community. What a joke, we forcing my opinion is me trying to stand out the loudest? HEHE. Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquari0217 Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Mad Mike Thanks DH. That's the point I was trying to make. Even though I may dissagree with aquari's opinion of Patrick, he has a right to it. Where I take exception is when some new guy comes here and tries to tell us all what we are thinking and why. The idea that we were not high on Patrick before his bro showed up is absurd. The idea that somone would leap to that conclusion leads me to doubt the reasoning power of the person in question. Dude, this is rediculous. I had no idea how sensitive this board was. This is football not softball...even if I did call you out who cares...this is a message board. I see how some of you envy Ramsey's toughness...cause you dont have any. If I say something you dont agree with then fine but its silly you dont agree cause I'm new. LMAO!!!!!!!! I'm not going to agree cause he have been posting here for a while...that's bull. Earn some respect then you will get some and tell that to Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by aquari0217 Earn some respect then you will get some and tell that to Ramsey. No one has to earn respect around here. Everyone affords it to everyone else. Or they get banned. Capiche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquari0217 Posted February 21, 2004 Author Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Die Hard No one has to earn respect around here. Everyone affords it to everyone else. Or they get banned. Capiche? LOL! You are a funny dude...ban for what? I dont disrespct anyone...if saying how I feel about Ramsey gets me banned so be it; but I will continue to voice my thoughts regardless of your threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by aquari0217 Oops, my bad. I dint know I couldnt post opinions if I just registered. Gimmie a break dude; do you have any idea how that sounds. My opinions are just as valid as anyone elses opinions. If you read my post correctly I called Ramsey a crybaby...I didnt call out anyone on this so called community. What a joke, we forcing my opinion is me trying to stand out the loudest? HEHE. Are you serious? Ok. You obviously didn't read the last part of my post. Which is fine. Don't heed my advice... even though I'm very serious. If you're going to be a jack@ss about this... astalavista. And you can take your HEHE and LMAO posts with you. ----------------------------------- No is saying you cannot express your "different" opinions.... but this tripe: "People knew he wasnt that great until Ramsey's brother started posting. Does his brother posting on a message board make fans feel like he is family? I remember someone talking about Ramsey negitively then his brother came on and chewed the guy out and no one has really said anything about Ramsey after that." is not respectful in nature. That's where the issue is. And if you can't understand that... then I don't see what kind of value you add to this community as a poster. And you won't be around long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by aquari0217 Dude, this is rediculous. I had no idea how sensitive this board was. This is football not softball...even if I did call you out who cares...this is a message board. I see how some of you envy Ramsey's toughness...cause you dont have any. If I say something you dont agree with then fine but its silly you dont agree cause I'm new. LMAO!!!!!!!! I'm not going to agree cause he have been posting here for a while...that's bull. Earn some respect then you will get some and tell that to Ramsey. Did you even read my post or Die Hard's? Do you not understand how silly you sound telling us WHY we like Patrick? Is it that dificult to understand? :gus: You did get one thing right. "Earn some respect then you will get some" Maybe you should take your own advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands11 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Sarge As for the clipboard, if he doesn't win the starting job, great. Go back and watch Super Bowl 22. During one shot you'll see Joe Gibbs on the side line and right next ot him was a young..........................Mark Rypien. Coach Gibbs is just dong what he feels comfortable with, having a vet and a kid on the sideline. If PR can't honestly beat Brunell out, then as we say in the military, shut up and color. I would hope he can get by on 600K for this year and possibly next. In two or three years, PR will be in the position of becoming the starter and can get Brunell type money from the Skins. He'll have the proper attitude installed by Gibbs and know how to win. And maybe most importantly, he'll be in one piece and will know how to stay in one piece. [/b][/quote Exactly what I was about to write. Ramsey reminds me of a young Rypien. He will be better off watching for a year or 2 until Gibbs gets his system in place and gets the offensive line back in form. PR needs an OL like Rypien did. Brunell with his experience and being more moble is a better start right out of the gate. PR should learn from Brunell in the mean time and get ready for some playing time if Brenell gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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