Art Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 So, Brunell is as good as signed. What does that mean for our football team? It should be pretty clear to all of us. We just got a whole lot more competitive and efficient than we just were. I am a very big Patrick Ramsey fan. I think he's got a GREAT future. I think he fits what we think of Gibbs' offense wonderfully. I think that despite this future, Ramsey is a lesser player in the near term as compared to Brunell. He's less experienced and less accurate. Gibbs can't have wild misses on wide open receivers like Ramsey to Coles against Carolina. He can't have the underneath player missed for a sure 40-yard gain as Ramsey missed Morton on an underneath route while going four and out at the end of one close game. Brunell is the sort of player who will show Ramsey how to be the efficient QB Gibbs needs. And though I don't think Ramsey is capable of being quite the player right now that Brunell is capable of being, the fact is, if he beats him out, we're just so much better off for that competition. I suspect Ramsey's future remains secure here. Joe Gibbs got his accurate, efficient, veteran QB to help implement things in the near term. If Ramsey is the guy we all think of him as, this is going to make him a much better player when he does win the job back -- whether that's by the opener or in a year or two -- than he could have been handed the job. The structure of the contract will be interesting to watch for as it will be the final measure of whether we dramatically overpaid or not. Whether we did or not, we're a better football team now than we just were assuming this happens. Most of us were excited just to have Ramsey as our QB. This can't help but add stability and better quality out of the QB spot. We're much closer to being a winning team the moment Brunell walks into Redskins Park. And Ramsey is going to benefit from having that experience to draw from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 You don't feel this means that Ramsey will be traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 It means we have a veteran QB which is what our coach wanted. Ramsey has only started 16 games in his short career and Gibbs has never started a very young QB. If it wasn't for Spurrier we would have gotten Bledsoe instead of drafting Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] You don't feel this means that Ramsey will be traded? I tend to think Gibbs is an honest man and means there's no way we trade Ramsey. I suspect if he is to be traded it will stem from him not only demanding a trade, but actually holding out forcing everyone's hand. I don't see Ramsey doing that. But if he does that I think he's gone. We'll see how it unfolds together, but I'd be surprised if he goes. I think while we'd get a nice price for him in return that such a move would be a fairly negative one. However, I'm pretty much going to assume Gibbs has whatever freedom he needs to craft a roster that fits his ideals. I suspect that includes Ramsey. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I won't be pleased with the deal and I'll even sulk about it and question the great man if it were to happen without a dramatic crybaby routine thrown by Ramsey. But, anything is possible. This team is going in a direction it hasn't been put on in 12 years. I suspect there's a lot of shock to go around . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Tom - come on. Gibbs wants two quality qb's. Now he has them. What would the point be of trading for one then trading away the other. And who would replace Ramsey. Given Brunell's age and increasing injuries, the Skins might be worse off with only Brunell and a scrub than with Ramsey and a scrub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Who the hell cares what Gibbs "wants" this is not the NFL he coached in. When players don't like something here they leave or hold out. Get ready to start looking for yet ANOTHER FA QB because our young stud is out. So the Gibbs no QB after I'm gone legacy will continue...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders 83 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Well said Art. I have a feeling though, some crying is about to begin with this whole contract thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders 83 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Who cares want Gibbs wants?? Show some respect, I was unaware of your HOF status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 it means we have two very good QBs on this team. We will find who starts the first game in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by Sanders 83 Who cares want Gibbs wants?? Show some respect, I was unaware of your HOF status. I am very aware of our QB situation after Gibbs left the first time, and this time around he won't be here as long. I am also very aware that if Ramsey leaves we will be in the QB hunt for a solution at the position again. Last time it took us a decade and here we go again. BTW - The who cares comment was directed at a comment that stated Gibbs wants two QB's. In todays NFL you don't get what you want simpley by flashing your coaching creds and asking for it. People go where they stand to make the most money. Benching Patrick means he gets to renegotiate as a 2nd string which means MUCH LESS MONEY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by Blue_chill Who the hell cares what Gibbs "wants" this is not the NFL he coached in. When players don't like something here they leave or hold out. Get ready to start looking for yet ANOTHER FA QB because our young stud is out. So the Gibbs no QB after I'm gone legacy will continue...... You dont know you're talking about. Players held out decades ago too. Or dont you remember when John Riggins held out? And Gibbs handled that situation too, like he will handle them now. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Sorry, don't like this move for the Skins. I think they would have been wiser spending money elsewhere this offseason. I think/thought Gibbs could have turned Ramsey into a great QB. QB was the least of your needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by inmate running the asylum You dont know you're talking about. Players held out decades ago too. Or dont you remember when John Riggins held out? And Gibbs handled that situation too, like he will handle them now. :doh: Holding out for more money isn't an option for Ramsey. The team isn't going to have it. We still need a CB and D-line. Trade is his only option, so you sir don't have a damn clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Chill you need to chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 The $43.36 million deal includes an $8.6 million signing bonus. The contract is heavily backloaded. The key figure is the signing bonus, which was spread out through the length of the contract for salary-cap purposes. nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by thinker Chill you need to chill. I'm just a little sick of the Gibbs fanboys. If this was Spurrier we'd be giving him the riot act and demand he be fired. Hiring a old guy at the expense of a young one while failing to even begin to address your teams real needs is a mistake. Great coach or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders 83 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Who said anything about Ramsey leaving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz Sorry, don't like this move for the Skins. I think they would have been wiser spending money elsewhere this offseason. I think/thought Gibbs could have turned Ramsey into a great QB. QB was the least of your needs. EL, think about that. Last year when McNabb went down, you had two capable QB's in Feely and Detmer that knew the offense and were able to hold the ship together till your starter was healthy again. When was the last time we had 2 capable QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Chill - Gibbs determines the team's needs. I'm quite comfortable with him playing that role. He strongly believed that ONE of the important needs was a veteran qb. Two weeks BEFORE the beginning of FA he has already filled what he felt was his most important need. It's fricking February 20th - not August 20th - for crying out loud. What makes you think he won't fill all our other needs as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallyG3 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by Blue_chill I'm just a little sick of the Gibbs fanboys. If this was Spurrier we'd be giving him the riot act and demand he be fired. Hiring a old guy at the expense of a young one while failing to even begin to address your teams real needs is a mistake. Great coach or not. You're right if Spurrier made this move I'd give him hell. There is a collosal difference between Joe Gibbs and Steve Spurrier and you should be keelhauled for even suggesting comparison. Joe Gibbs earned to not be second guessed until the results are in. I'm sure he knows a whole lot more about our teams' needs than you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Hey Chill, it is a real team need...depth at QB is very important. And hey, damn right I'm a Gibbs fanboy. And don't ever, ever, ever compare Gibbs to Spurrier. Man, how long have you been a Skins' fan? How can you call yourself a Skins fan and not appreciate Joe Gibbs? I'm baffled, but also losing interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallyG3 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Anyway, back to the topic: What I want to know is, what do we have to give the Jags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders 83 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 The offseason hasn't even begun yet, how do you know they aren't going to address the DL and other things? Brunell is the only person they could actually talk to, because he was being traded. You have no idea what the plan for the rest of FA and the draft is, so why don't you quit whinning and let them do their work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders 83 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 You should be clowned for comparing Spurrier to Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 Not only do I not believe Ramsey will be traded, but, I think most of us don't fully appreciate that he MAY well be the starter when it's all said and done. Despite the hysteria over the signing bonus for Brunell, the fact remains, Gibbs promised there would be competition for the job. Every newspaper article we've read indicated Brunell wanted to be guaranteed a starting job, but, Gibbs didn't do that as Brunell's agent mentioned today. Brunell will compete for the starting job. If he doesn't win the job we can be immensely pleased with Ramsey's progress. If he does, we simply have an efficient vet in there leading us while Ramsey continues to grow. Gibbs identified Brunell as a guy he wanted. Snyder delivered. Joe Gibbs is not Steve Spurrier. We shouldn't have to explain why what Gibbs wants is ok by most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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