@DCGoldPants Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Wouldn't the 6th overall pick, another pick and maybe a player cost more to the cap than Champ Bailey? I know its 3 players instead of one.....but this one is. 1. Proven 2. Home Grown 3. Plays through pain and injuries I'm having a very hard time thinking that most people here have given up on the idea that Champ still COULD end up in DC for the long haul. Last Night (as was posted here), the NFL cap has gone up another 2mil more than everybody expected. Of course that's not FREE money......but who else should it go to? I love an active free agent period as much as the next Skins fan......but more often, I'd like the big news to be we locked up one of our own......not send him packing for another Trotter or Morton or whoever. Do I think Fred Smoot and another CB from FA can step up and be a decent CB combo? yes I do. Do I think whoever we get to replace Champ will play as well as he has at times? No, I do not. What was the original offer to Champ? a 14.5 Mil bonus on a 9 year deal? Then it was brought down to 8 years I think. Seriously.....why can't the Skins just add that 2 mil on top of the current offer in up front bonus money at least to see if he's interested? What is the harm in another effort to sign him? I am not kidding. Somebody please explain to me why this should even be attempted. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 yes...you are.... seek help immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Bufford T Justice I am not kidding. Somebody please explain to me why this should even be attempted. :2cents: I think it is at the point where he doesn't want to be here. I would like him to stay but at how much?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 My problem with Champ was his attitude all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 19, 2004 Author Share Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by jbooma I think it is at the point where he doesn't want to be here. I would like him to stay but at how much?? that's my point. "Hey Champ, how about a 16.5 mil bonus on the same deal? 2 mil more up front....right now" it would be basically the same deal that was on the table a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 The thing is. That everyone seems to be forgetting. Is that Champ doesn't want to be here. He's made his feelings known in the press about how dissatisfied he is here. If I wasn the owner I'm not going to beg him to stay. Just get as much as you can for him and tell him happy trails. Hope you and you're brother have fun in Detroit. Because you'll never have a chance at a super bowl there. Champ's whole thing was that he was tired of losing blah blah blah. We'll if he's tired of losing, then why is he practically begging to go to Detroit? Just because of his brother? C'mon. They're grown men. They can live without each other. His whole thing about him wanting to play for a winner was a scam so the fans won't be so hard on him. We know exactly what he wants...and that is $$$ Nothing else. So basically Champ stuck his foot in his mouth on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFanInTX Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I would love to see Champ stay. I just don't think it will happen. Then again I never thought Joe Gibbs would come back and coach the Redskins. :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Bufford T Justice that's my point. "Hey Champ, how about a 16.5 mil bonus on the same deal? 2 mil more up front....right now" it would be basically the same deal that was on the table a month ago. I think the problem is the skins want to break it up and Champ does not. He wants the money up front. We want to break it up into installments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 No, you aren't alone. Be happy though. It's good to know you are one of the few who doesn't need other people thinking for them. Why go with the flow when you have your own opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 19, 2004 Author Share Posted February 19, 2004 If he's tired of losing, then he shouldn't be talking to the Lions. They make a deal for him, they give up making many upgrades for 2004. He wants to get paid.....that simple. He wants big money and would play in Houston for it. I don't remember a specific quote where he said he didn't want to play here no matter the price. JB......I bring this up today because now they can offer him alittle more right now. 2 million is 2 million. I hope they don't trade him and either signs a long term deal, under the tag for 04 or sits out. I don't want to see good players washington drafted going elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by jbooma I think the problem is the skins want to break it up and Champ does not. He wants the money up front. We want to break it up into installments. Yeah well, how does that explain a backloaded contract and half the signing bonus not really being guaranteed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Gamebreaker No, you aren't alone. Be happy though. It's good to know you are one of the few who doesn't need other people thinking for them. Why go with the flow when you have your own opinions? GB I think everyone on this board wants to keep him we just don't want to hurt the team's ability to fill the other positions we need. We can't afford Champ and Lavar it is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I think jbooma may have hit the nail on the head. I think the Skins will pay dearly for whomever they sign to replace Champ. Factor that plus the draft choices acquired in compensation, and you end up paying a lot more than re-signing Champ. But Champ doesn't seem particularly interesting in playing for the Skins, anymore. He refuses to live in the D.C. area, and if people remember, Joe Gibbs was a stickler for that in his first stint. The NFL is very different these days and it's practically the norm for players to live somewhere else in the offseason. But Gibbs may seek out players who don't mind relocating and participating in more of a team atmosphere. Chemistry is a big problem with this team, and I bet many of Gibbs' personnel decisions will be based on creating more of a winning environment by finding more dedicated players. It's disappointing, but I'm getting the feeling that winning isn't Champ's #1 priority anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I'm kind of ambivalent about the whole situation. On the one hand I think it's a shame that we're even contemplating trading a 25 yeard old 4 time pro bowler but on the other hand Bailey never really struck me as a Washington Redskins kindof guy. He never embraced this franchise and its tradition like let's say Lavar and repeatedly had hinted at leaving Washington even prior to being a free agent. I just hope for us that we're going to be able to pick up solid players with whatever picks we get out of a possible trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Yes, you are the only person anywhere who wants Champ to stay. Really, though: the Redskins chose Lavar because (a) as feisty as he gets at least he gets feisty; Champ moped around from last off-season through 2003; ( they might think that Lavar, at LB, can have greater impact on a game than can Lavar; and © they look at New England and the fact that they have one big star, Ty Law, and lots of role players and younger, possible up-and-coming stars on their team, and they say, "we can do that, mate." They probably don't say mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Greater impact than Champ, I meant. Also: yeah, Lavar lives in the area, has professed a love of the area, has professed his desire to die a Redskins -- that goes a long, long way when you're trying to re-build an attitude. Beyond great talent, maybe they feel Champ doesn't bring the intangibles that makes championship teams. I'm not sure that isn't a pretty fair viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 19, 2004 Author Share Posted February 19, 2004 You can't compare the way Champ and Lavar are. One is quiet and the other wants to be the local leader. Champ might of been a jerk.....he might of complained under his breath. But he showed up for every game. Cut Trotter, put Mitchell in the middle and sign Champ. I quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I'm with you B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I am optimistic and love Champ... I think maybe if we give him a McNabb/Ray Lewis type of deal for ex. 10 or 12 years - then it wont matter as much because we can stretch out his annual salary cap hit out over the 10 or 12 year period. We could also give him the 17mil signing bonus (or whatever he asked for) and he would still get a lot of guaranteed money up front (but the cap# wouldnt be nearly as steep). On the other hand, a 5 or 7 year deal would be more of a cap hit than would be a 10/12 year deal due to the strectching, now if he retires in 6-8 years he would still have a cap # for the following 5 years. But atleast for now (annually for his contract) his cap# may be spread out evenly and not nearly as much. Hypothetically speaking his 2004 cap # would be exactly the same as his 2010# and 2013#. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Honestly, I want to keep Champ too. However, if it comes down to a MONEY ISSUE, then there is only so much the franchise can do before it has to stop paying every single player the highest amount possible. If it comes down to the issue of Champ being tired of being a part of a subpar team every year, well Joe Gibbs has answered his prayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatFischer37 Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Fact is that without a d-line, it woudnt matter if Richie Petitbon was out playing d-back at age 65...Champ can be replaced by someone who is obviously not as good as he is however quite serviceable For our first SB victory, I think we got by with V. Dean, J. Lavender and J. White...HOF'ers...NOT Champ can seek greener pastures with a team that already has a d-line...he would make a huge difference on that team whoever they are...he hasnt been a difference maker on this team and his comments to the press have been less than inspiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgensen4Prez Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 A player that turns down a $55 million contract that would keep him in Washington for another 9 years doesn't want to be here. People refrain from saying this, but does Champ even seem like a leader? LaVar and even FRRRRREEEEDDDDDYYYY have been much more asertive in postgame interviews after losses and what needs to change with the team. And why does everyone keep talking about his 4 Pro-Bowls? The pro bowl is a popularity competition and doesn't always recognize the games best players. It's not to say Champ isn't a good and potentially great player, but he's not NOT replacable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 If we do get rid of champ then we should extend Smoot now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I want to keep Champ too, but at what price? We offered him a very fair deal. Years of mediocrity have to take their toll. I'm afraid Champ is our casualty from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by gridironmike We offered him a very fair deal. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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