galentjm Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 By Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com A Monday meeting between Redskins coach Joe Gibbs and quarterback Mark Brunell may have nudged Washington incrementally closer to a deal for the former Jacksonville starter, but news of the team's ardor has stirred other interested franchises into action, and could ultimately delay a trade. Gibbs and Brunell huddled at an unspecified location -- sources told ESPN.com the site was in the Orlando area -- to get better acquainted and to gauge if the Redskins and the veteran quarterback might be a good fit. The meeting, the intent of which is to facilitate a trade, was arranged over the weekend. Although the NFL is now in its annual trade moratorium, with no deals permitted before March 3, the Redskins originally hoped to quietly reach a basic agreement this week to acquire Brunell. But the Redskins' stealthy plans were revealed Saturday by ESPN.com. The result: Other teams interested in adding Brunell, but hoping the Jaguars would release him before he is due a March 1 roster bonus of $2 million, have entered the fray because they now realize a trade will be necessary to secure his services. Much to the chagrin of Washington officials, who wanted to consummate a trade before other teams realized what was happening, the field of suits is now a crowded one. Already it is believed that the interest of at least two other teams, Miami and San Diego, has driven up Brunell's price tag. Sources said Washington was originally prepared to part with a middle-round choice in the 2004 draft to land Brunell, but it now appears any team that adds the 11-year veteran will have to surrender at least a second-round selection. There are some Jacksonville officials, now intent on slowing the process in order to get the best offers from all suitors, who feel they might even be able to land a first-round pick. That is, however, very unlikely. There have been various reports the Dallas Cowboys are party to the Brunell derby, but league sources have so far debunked that notion. So confident are the Jaguars that they will fetch a high-round choice for Brunell that they will retain his rights through March 1, if necessary, and pay him the $2 million bonus that he is due then. Such a move would reduce the cap relief the club had planned on, but might also help to drive up its asking price. League sources reiterated that the Redskins and Jaguars were very close to agreement on the trade parameters before Saturday's report. Said one source: "That got the attention of every other team interested in the guy. Suddenly, it dawned on them that they might have to trade for him. It's put the (Jacksonville) in an advantageous position and kind of turned it into a seller's market for them. They've got to be thrilled." Not so thrilled by the news of a potential trade for Brunell is Redskins incumbent Patrick Ramsey, a two-year veteran and the club's first-round pick in the 2003 draft. ESPN.com has learned that Gibbs met with Ramsey last Friday to apprise him of the team's interest in an unnamed veteran quarterback. But as framed by Gibbs, the veteran would probably be a backup-type player who might compete for the starting job. There is little chance Brunell, who basically controls his own fate since any team that deals for him will want him to sign a new contract, would accept a deal to a franchise that does not view him as its starter. Ramsey might well request a trade if the Redskins are successful in their courtship of Brunell. That the 33-year-old Brunell would not return to the Jaguars in 2004 has been essentially known for more than a year. The 11-year veteran, who led Jacksonville to a pair of AFC championship game appearances, sports a salary cap charge of $10.5 million for 2004. That includes a base salary of $6.5 million but, more important, the $2 million roster bonus due on March 1. It has long been a given that the Jaguars would release Brunell before that signing bonus was due. By dealing Brunell after March 1, the team will absorb just a $4 million salary cap charge, for a prorated signing bonus share and the roster bonus, and will recoup $6.5 million of cap room. While he told the Florida Times-Union on Sunday that the Redskins interest in him is intriguing, and purported to be surprised by it, Brunell has known for at least a week that Washington might bid for his services. If the deal is completed, Brunell almost certainly will sign a new, multi-year contract with the Redskins. Trade negotiations between the Redskins and Jaguars had accelerated in recent days. It will be left for agent Leigh Steinberg, who represents Brunell, to strike a contract accord with Redskins officials or those from any team that trades for him. Brunell originally entered the NFL as a fifth-round choice of the Green Bay Packers in the 1993 draft. After two seasons in Green Bay, where he appeared in just two games and logged only 27 pass attempts, Brunell was traded to Jacksonville in 1995 for third- and fifth-round draft choices. He assumed the Jaguars' starting job shortly into his tenure in Jacksonville and held that spot for eight seasons. In the third game of the 2003 campaign, Brunell suffered an elbow injury, opening the door for rookie Byron Leftwich, the club's first-round draft pick, to supplant him. Brunell never played another snap in a Jags uniform. For his NFL career, he has completed 2,196 of 3,643 passes for 25,793 yards, with 144 touchdown passes, 86 interceptions and an 85.2 efficiency rating. In his three starts last season, he threw for 484 yards and had two touchdown passes and no interceptions. He has started in 117 of his 122 appearances and was named to the AFC Pro Bowl team on three occasions. The former University of Washington standout, of course, holds all of the Jacksonville franchise passing records. Under his stewardship, the Jaguars advanced to the conference title game in 1996 and 1999, but lost both times. Washington had not been mentioned as a potential suitor for Brunell's services but Gibbs is said to be seeking a more veteran quarterback. Should the Redskins land Brunell, it will be interesting to see what the team does with Ramsey. The former Tulane standout started 11 games in 2003, completing 179 of 337 passes for 2,166 yards. He had 14 touchdown throws, nine interceptions and a passer rating of 75.8. Among the league's most sacked quarterbacks last season, Ramsey earned respect around the NFL for his toughness and grit and his potential is highly regarded. Ramsey, 24, is under contract through the 2006 season and his salaries and cap charges are not exorbitant, meaning Washington could retain him and allow Brunell, in part, to serve as his mentor. Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1731097 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 So if someone didn't start the fake post maybe Mort never reports it during the superbowl and all we have to do is give up a 3rd or 4th pick to get Mark, now we have to give up the bank :doh: Forget clowning this calls for something more evil, hehehhahahoohoh (in evil laugh) :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Not so thrilled by the news of a potential trade for Brunell is Redskins incumbent Patrick Ramsey, a two-year veteran and the club's first-round pick in the 2003 draft. ESPN.com has learned that Gibbs met with Ramsey last Friday to apprise him of the team's interest in an unnamed veteran quarterback. But as framed by Gibbs, the veteran would probably be a backup-type player who might compete for the starting job.There is little chance Brunell, who basically controls his own fate since any team that deals for him will want him to sign a new contract, would accept a deal to a franchise that does not view him as its starter. Ramsey might well request a trade if the Redskins are successful in their courtship of Brunell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galentjm Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 There are some Jacksonville officials, now intent on slowing the process in order to get the best offers from all suitors, who feel they might even be able to land a first-round pick. You've got to be kidding me.....A first rounder for a soon to be 34 year old QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Ramsey is only under contract through 06, wonder how much he's gonna cost us once he's been in 2 probowls by them!?!? But anyways, Ramsey will not get traded. Brunell will be the backup, if he comes. I think that is a rather stupid move though, for a 2nd round pick. And the Jags must be crazy if they want a 1st rounder for him. What a joke that is. We probably offered them a third. Now they are running it up to a 2nd. Hopefully we wont bite, and he can go to miami or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 It's ALL posturing guys. We tried to steal chickens from the roost. Clearly Jacksonville officials leaked that information to see if anyone else would up the price. It has. But, when it comes down to pulling the trigger, I'll wager you won't find anyone surrender a second-rounder straight for Brunell. In fact, here's my guess. Jacksonville will get greedy and keep him beyond the March 1 deadline for his $2 million bonus. They have to to make a trade. Then once that happens teams will ease back and offer a fourth or fifth for him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Man I am praying that this deal fallls thru and brunell goes to either the chargers or dolphins. WTEM is listening to the spin from doc walker saying there are no secure spots on a non playoff team. Czaban ( I think) While this is true you dont waste money and picks while ignoring true areas of need. Jenkins of the panthers a second round pick was brought up as an example of wisely using the pick to build the team instead of always going after the big name former probowl types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Ok, so now we have yet another reason to boot Cerrato...media leaks. Is there any doubt that he's the one who is talking to the press? I know there is an obvious leak on the Jags side as well, but someone from our front office is talking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galentjm Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by Art It's ALL posturing guys. We tried to steal chickens from the roost. Clearly Jacksonville officials leaked that information to see if anyone else would up the price. It has. But, when it comes down to pulling the trigger, I'll wager you won't find anyone surrender a second-rounder straight for Brunell. In fact, here's my guess. Jacksonville will get greedy and keep him beyond the March 1 deadline for his $2 million bonus. They have to to make a trade. Then once that happens teams will ease back and offer a fourth or fifth for him . I'm beginning to think you're right about this Art. This process just seems a little too deliberate to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Is it just me, or does Pastabelly seem to be taking personal credit for the fact that the Jaguars are raising their asking price? For example: But the Redskins' stealthy plans were revealed Saturday by ESPN.com. The result: Other teams interested in adding Brunell, but hoping the Jaguars would release him before he is due a March 1 roster bonus of $2 million, have entered the fray because they now realize a trade will be necessary to secure his services. League sources reiterated that the Redskins and Jaguars were very close to agreement on the trade parameters before Saturday's report. Said one source: "That got the attention of every other team interested in the guy. Suddenly, it dawned on them that they might have to trade for him. It's put the (Jacksonville) in an advantageous position and kind of turned it into a seller's market for them. They've got to be thrilled." Pastabelly seems to be trying to boast about what he believes to be a personal victory after losing out bigtime on the breaking of the Gibbs hiring story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by Gilgamesh Ok, so now we have yet another reason to boot Cerrato...media leaks. Is there any doubt that he's the one who is talking to the press? I know there is an obvious leak on the Jags side as well, but someone from our front office is talking... yes, I doubt it was him. Why leak something that makes it harder for you in the long run? :fart: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by Bufford T Justice yes, I doubt it was him. Why leak something that makes it harder for you in the long run? :fart: Because he stands to loose power the longer Gibbs is here. I don't know...I like some of the moves he's made...I just don't trust the guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 If so vinny may save us from making a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINZ_DOMIN8 Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 But anyways, Ramsey will not get traded. Brunell will be the backup, if he comes. I think that is a rather stupid move though, for a 2nd round pick. And the Jags must be crazy if they want a 1st rounder for him. What a joke that is. We probably offered them a third. Now they are running it up to a 2nd. Hopefully we wont bite, and he can go to miami or whatever :lol: ALL OF YOU NIMRODS THAT THINK BRUNELL IS NOT WORTH A 2ND ROUND PICK SHOULD BUY OCEANFRONT PROPERTY ON MARS FROM ME. HE (BRUNELL) IS A PROVEN LEGITIMATE TALENT AND YET YOU PANSIES EASILY FALL PREY TO THE EMOTIONAL "OH POOR PATRICK" THINKING. I HOPE WE TRADE OUR 1ST AND 2ND FOR HIM JUST TO SEE YOU CHICKEN LITTLES JUMP OFF THE BAY BRIDGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by Gilgamesh Ok, so now we have yet another reason to boot Cerrato...media leaks. Is there any doubt that he's the one who is talking to the press? I know there is an obvious leak on the Jags side as well, but someone from our front office is talking... Where do you get this impression? :confused: Like Art said, the best bet is that the leak is coming out of Jacksonville, as they stand the most to gain from it. Other teams have jumped in and, supposedly, started offering more. If it was Cerrato, he should be fired, because leaking this is apparently costing the team more. I just don't see any way you can read Cerrato as being the leaker, unless you're just looking for a reason to bash the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 ESPN is justing making crap up as they go along. First it was the Skins are going to trade Ramsey, now it's Ramsey might be unhappy about Brunell and seek a trade. We know this is BS thanks to Bayougator. First it was Wash. offered a second rounder for Brunell, now it's a mid-rounder. This just in, Lenny is full of BS. Oh, and Jbooma, you've got to be kidding. This is all my fault now. you are kidding, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 I've never been accused of being a Certrato apologist by any means, and I feel supremely confident in saying that the leak did not come from him or his office. Skins have nothing to gain by leaking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Look folks - the real issue here isn't whether the trade is a good idea or not. I think it clearly is. It's whether that trade will result in a backup or a starter that's the issue - and the overwhelming opinion of fans is going to be for Ramsey starting. But either way, the Skins would immediately have a consensus pick as one of the best backups in the league. The leaks all make sense from Jax perspective, not the Skins perspective, to try and drive up Brunell's value. Don't blame Vinny for that. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by GB81 I've never been accused of being a Certrato apologist by any means, and I feel supremely confident in saying that the leak did not come from him or his office. Skins have nothing to gain by leaking this. Holy Crap! We agree on something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Stop being stupid with the namecalling and son there is a thing called the CAPS key. Yeah brunnell is so great that both rookie QBs on the jags had more game than him. I could see Ramsey becoming the next Stan Humphries Its not about just Ramsey there are numerous holes on the team that need alot more attention and even with a new regime the point is we always have the perception of dissing the homegrown talent for big names that end up doing jack sh1t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 How does Lenny reconcile this part with his open questioning of where Ramsey fits: ESPN.com has learned that Gibbs met with Ramsey last Friday to apprise him of the team's interest in an unnamed veteran quarterback. But as framed by Gibbs, the veteran would probably be a backup-type player who might compete for the starting job. It seems pretty straight-forward to me. Gibbs talked to Brunell about how he would feel about coming to the Redskins and having a chance to compete for the starting job. Why add more to it than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by GSF Oh, and Jbooma, you've got to be kidding. This is all my fault now. you are kidding, right? haha yes you didn't see the smilie However we should start a story that says we are trading Gardner for Stahan to see if it gets reported by ESPN :laugh: :rotflmao: Then we will know the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by Bufford T Justice Holy Crap! We agree on something. What a moment! Now, just concede that no journalists hate the Skins, Snyder is the worst thing to happen to the world since Adam and Eve's fall from Grace, and that I'm right about Brunnell being Gibbs starter next year--and then we can all move on. Not gonna happen? Ok...well, we agreed on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by SonnyJ Where do you get this impression? :confused: Like Art said, the best bet is that the leak is coming out of Jacksonville, as they stand the most to gain from it. Other teams have jumped in and, supposedly, started offering more. If it was Cerrato, he should be fired, because leaking this is apparently costing the team more. I just don't see any way you can read Cerrato as being the leaker, unless you're just looking for a reason to bash the guy. His personnel evaluating skills aside (I think he has done a number of good things on that front), there is something that I just don't trust with him. I don't like the way that he and the other members of the 49ers front office parted company and burned their bridges...I don't like how Joe Mendes left while he was here, I don't like the acrimony that existed between Vinnie and Spurrier...I just get the feeling that he tries to bend Snyder's ear and sew the seeds of discontent whenever he feels his power is threatened...as some of the players have done as well. I really hope this not his MO, and I'm just reading into this...but he really does give me a "Grima Wormtongue" feeling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by SonnyJ How does Lenny reconcile this part with his open questioning of where Ramsey fits: It seems pretty straight-forward to me. Gibbs talked to Brunell about how he would feel about coming to the Redskins and having a chance to compete for the starting job. Why add more to it than that? to stir **** up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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