BrunellToColes Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Guys, I love Ramsey, I think he is the toughest qb in the league, has one of the 5 best arms, is accurate, a leader, he is one of my favorites. That being said at this point in his young career, he has HORRIBLE POCKET AWARENESS. I noticed it from the first time he got on the field against the titans, he ended up winning with some key throws he just barely got off before he got nailed, but it was really exposed shortly after. As much as I love the guy, and think(more like hope), if you dont have pocket awareness as a qb you WILLNOT be successful in this league. Now he isnt a running qb by any means, but its not his 40 time, speed or quickness that is the problem. He just doesnt have a good sense of the rush. Ramsey has physically has more talent in his little finger than Hasselback, but there is a reason Hasselback was sacked and pressured so much less. He could since the rush and step up or to the side and buy the extra second to get rid of the ball. Ramsey just stands there like a statue bravely staring downfield. Im not saying this as a Hasselback fan, he deficencies were really exposed in that dallas game, he isnt a starter in this league, a decent spot player in a good system maybe but the point of this thread is to talk about him. Anyway, Brunell folks, Is one of the best qb's in this league. I know you guys say he has had all these injuries, he is declining, blaa blaa ball, he is awesome. If we get him you will all change your minds when he starts getting us wins. He can still run, now he isnt a running qb like he was when he got into the league but he is still can scramble, and more importantly he has GREAT AWARENESS. He only lost that job in jacksonville because they wanted to go another direction and rebuild with Leftwhich. Make no mistake the best qb on that roster was Brunell. Im a huge fan, I read this board constantly but other than being the Madden champ on this board I dont post much. I will say though if we get this guy he is probably the best qb we have had since before I started following the skins in around 1983. In all honestly, I think Spurrier failed mostly because he didnt have a quarter back to run his system. Now Im glad he failed because now we have the man, the myth, the legend, joe gibbs, but if he had a peyton manning or a brunell, or a brady, or someone like that, folks Spurrier would have looked real good. Ramsey, while a great talent, was a horrible qb for Spurrier's system becaue it requires creat awareness which is Ramsey's weakness. ALot of those pressures and blitzes were Pats lack of awareness. Anyway, SPurrier id have his faults but his system could have worked. We are better off today though, especially if we get Brunell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunellToColes Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 By the way, Bayou if you read this I mean no disrespect Pat is da man. If we get Brunell and he ends up as a backup qb for a season or two when he finally gets back on the field to steal a phrase from the ol' ball coach "he will have been coached up so much" he could end up rippin up the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 What are the skins giving up for him though? Is it the 2nd rounder? If so, is that worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunellToColes Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 I have no idea what they are giving up but I'd give them the 2nd rounder and laugh all the way to the SUPERBOWL BABY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 really? you think that brunell is the missing piece to the puzzle of a 5-11 team? What about the D Line? The running game? Surely MB cant cure those ailments, can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Brunell is past his prime. The guy has rarely if ever thrown for more than 20 TDs in a season. If he comes in, he's coming in as insurance in case Ramsey doesn't adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 A second rounder is a risk and any proven NFL QB with the talent of MB is certainly worth a 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chet06 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 lets not forget Rypien was a statue and won the superbowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by HeHateMe really? you think that brunell is the missing piece to the puzzle of a 5-11 team? What about the D Line? The running game? Surely MB cant cure those ailments, can he? Exactly, we have waaaay too many problems. Plus, funNgun, Ramsey was killed in SPURRIERS WACK SYSTEM. That's all he has ever played in. And you can't say Hasselbeck has better pocket awareness while Ramsey has horrible pocket presence just yet.... Spurrier implemented shorter passes and put in HOT READS which he NEVER did for Ramsey. Why do you think Parcells had them blitzing all the time on Ramsey? It's cuz Spurrier was a fool. Hasselbeck would have gotten killed if Spurrier called the plays as he had been doing before for Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by HeHateMe really? you think that brunell is the missing piece to the puzzle of a 5-11 team? What about the D Line? The running game? Surely MB cant cure those ailments, can he? of course it's not the missing peice. But it dam* sure is a good start. If Ramsey has some weaknesses, i mean, c'mon, this is like his 2nd year as a pro. I believe that Brunnel right now is the better QB, and to prove everyone wrong Ramsey would have to win the starting job in mini camp. U can't just give him the starting job and been done with it, u have to prove that u're capable of being a starter in the leauge first. Believe me, Brunnel and Gibbs are going to mentor and groom this kid into somethin truely special. Just now isn't his time. In this league, time cannot not be takin for granted or wasted. We can't wait for Ramsey to be great, we still have to go out there and be the best that we can be, whether be with him starting or not. ---------------------------------- 0-16, 19-0, skins fan till i die!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by funNgun03 I noticed it from the first time he got on the field against the titans, he ended up winning with some key throws he just barely got off before he got nailed, but it was really exposed shortly after. Yeah... and that's Spurrier's fault. Sure, he barely got them off... would you rather have had him throw some incompletions? Then you'd say he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunellToColes Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 HeHateMe, give me a break. Obviously we have holes. Our defensive line sucks. Mainly that is really our lone real personnel problem on defense other than a safety upgrade. On defense though our read and react system was just so horrible its hard to really identify exactly the problem. Look at dallas, man to man I like our defense. They though blitzes and dictated and were agressive and it made up for their weaknesses and were one of the leagues best. We stand there and get out formationed and out motioned and outcoached so its hard to really say. I know we solved alot of this problem with the hiring of Greg Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselfan44 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Ramsey hasn't got a fair shake yet. His first year Spurrier used the QB postion as a revolving door. This past year Ramsey had absolutely no time to throw. I can see if he had three or four seconds to release the ball after he got setup, but most of the time guys were on his heels while he was still dropping back. I think Ramsey's attitude is great. Let's give him a few go rounds with Gibbs and company and see where he stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunellToColes Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 TLusby, exactly. 2nd rounders are a huge risk. chet06, Im a HUGE REDKSINS FAN! Of course I remember Ryp. That being said the game is different today, circumstances were different for him. That was in 1991, that was the greatest year of my life as far as being a sports fan is concerned but that was then this is 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunellToColes Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 dieselfan44, Im not knocking Ramsey, I think he has great POTENTIAL. At the same time I think gibbs thinking is along my lines. Do you really want to risk this entire 3-5 years we have for Gibbs to take us back to promise land on the fact Ramsey will mature?????? That is a huge risk. Brunell on the other hand is a known fact. He is awesome. I have directv Ive seen him play so many times, can the rest of you honestly say this. Im arguing with you guys we are all fans. The fact is Brunell is one of the leagues best qb's, he took 2 teams to afc championship games, he would be awesome for us I hope we get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunellToColes Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Im meant Im not arguing but he way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Either way Brunell can play for us 2-3 years max, make no mistake Patrick Ramsey is our future. Besides how hard can it be to learn a little pocket presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunellToColes Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Equality, being a Ramsey fan I hope he can learn it. You know gibbs will put him in the best situation for his strengths. Problem is, Im not sure you can learn that. Im undecided on that I guess. I guess in a few years we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by funNgun03 Equality, being a Ramsey fan I hope he can learn it. You know gibbs will put him in the best situation for his strengths. Problem is, Im not sure you can learn that. Im undecided on that I guess. I guess in a few years we will see. First of all, Spurrier was the worst thing to happen to Ramsey, so the pocket presence argument isn't very valid. Second, of course someone could learn it. Otherwise, Michael Vick will never be a good quarterback either since he doesn't have "pocket presence" - he just runs out of there. Steve Young learned pocket presence after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey T Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 funNgun needs a chill pill. Keep chillin' my young brother:cool: Come back when you can make some sense of your thoughts, ideas, etc....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 OMFG!!! I can't believe some of you! You are giving up on Ramsey all of a sudden, you guys are no better than the bandwagon fans you make fun of. Ramsey has been a good pocket QB, he's shown that he can step up in the pocket, and he's shown that he's not affraid to take a hit and not a rush a pass. He was hurt this season, and maybe he didn't step up in the pocket because everytime he stepped down it bothered him, the season before it sure he was learning. But some of you act like he wont learn anything and will be the same next season. Shame!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Yeah, because joeskinsfan YOU know better than Joe Gibbs!YOU know that Ramsey is good because you bought one of his jerseys! Guys, stop being ignorant and realize that changes will happen. We will be getting players who are basically unknowns and "The world is over!!!" That's how Gibbs works. He gets the players with heart. Not to offend any of you but I think that Gibbs and the rest of the front office knows a LITTLE bit more about this game than we do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGCHILL_02 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 if spurrier made the same move what would yall say? lets say this old azz ragarm qb gets hurt wit a hit like arrington put on troy that means waisted a #2 pick for him. if experiance is so much better why did jacksonville draft a rookie qb knowing they have brunell? he may come here and do good but he is not worth a #2 pick. as good as he does ramsey could atleast equal him. he couldnt even win his position back from a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by JWB Yeah, because joeskinsfan YOU know better than Joe Gibbs!YOU know that Ramsey is good because you bought one of his jerseys! Guys, stop being ignorant and realize that changes will happen. We will be getting players who are basically unknowns and "The world is over!!!" That's how Gibbs works. He gets the players with heart. Not to offend any of you but I think that Gibbs and the rest of the front office knows a LITTLE bit more about this game than we do! The only thing I find amusing about the whole Brunell situation is that alot of people here just assume he's going to start. Far from it. If anything,he'll get a fair chance to compete for the job and that's all right by me. Competition will only make Ramsey better. Plus, the knowledge that Brunell can give to Pat is just icing on the cake. In the NFL,your only one hit away from getting on the field. Smart move to shore up the bench if you ask me.:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by JWB Yeah, because joeskinsfan YOU know better than Joe Gibbs!YOU know that Ramsey is good because you bought one of his jerseys! Guys, stop being ignorant and realize that changes will happen. We will be getting players who are basically unknowns and "The world is over!!!" That's how Gibbs works. He gets the players with heart. Not to offend any of you but I think that Gibbs and the rest of the front office knows a LITTLE bit more about this game than we do! First of let me say this ... "Arguing on the internet is a lot like winning a gold medal in the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded." No offense to the mentally challenged, I'm just saying that I don't want to get in an argument with you JWB. Now, I never said I knew more that Joe Gibbs, and I'm not saying that Ramsey should be given the starting job regardless of how he plays in the offseason. I think that the best man should win the job. But I just don't like everyone all of a sudden trading Ramsey in for Brunell. I've always liked Brunell he's one of the QB's I've always rooted for. I'd be more than happy to see him here. Having said that I put faith in Ramsey and his abilities. If he makes an a$$ out of himself then I think whoever was the better player in the offseason should win the job. But for now, he has convinced me that he's got great potential and he's earned the starting job, that's how I feel. You're entitled to your opinion. It just sounds like everyone is saying that Brunell is automatically our starter, and Gibbs and the front office, because you all were there when this happened, have deemed Mark our starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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