TankRizzo Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 don't know if anyone else heard this, but it was Chad Dukes that mentioned it so I'll be taking this with a grain of salt. Anyhow, the supposed trade would have us giving up our first and second round pick for New England's two first round picks and antowain smith. :twitch: UPDATED, thanks hokieskinsfan Originally posted by HokieSkinsFan This was just posted over at CPND too, and it doesn't just involve both of New England's 1st round picks and Smith. Skins get Antowain Smith Both 1st round picks (#21 and #32) Both 2nd round picks (#57 and #64) Pats get 1st round pick (#5) 2nd round pick (#41) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slammer Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 That actually seems pretty good. Get a decent RB and more picks to get DLine with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Made Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Horrible trade. MAYBE if it was just our #5 pick, and not our 2nd rounder too, but there is no way this trade is for real. Antowain Smith is worth like a 7th rounder, he is like 35, I would rather have Ladell Betts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I dont believe it. That would be a bum trade for us. Our #5 for the two NE #1's And then our #2 for Antwain Smith, who is over 30 and not that great. :puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted February 3, 2004 Author Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by The Slammer That actually seems pretty good. Get a decent RB and more picks to get DLine with. when you sit down and think about it it's not THAT great. NE's actual pick and our 2nd round pick aren't that far off, so basically the trade is the #5 pick in the draft for the 21st pick and Antowain Smith. That's actually pretty crappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcees4life Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I would consider that trade......i have to think bout that a lil bit more though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas-Born Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Bum trade...I would be surprised if we take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Awful trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted February 3, 2004 Author Share Posted February 3, 2004 it's a start though....I wouldn't give up the 2nd round pick though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieSkinsFan Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 This was just posted over at CPND too, and it doesn't just involve both of New England's 1st round picks and Smith. Skins get Antowain Smith Both 1st round picks (#21 and #32) Both 2nd round picks (#57 and #64) Pats get 1st round pick (#5) 2nd round pick (#41) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 yeah heres the link to the CPND thread about the trade Hokie mentioned http://mb9.theinsiders.com/fcpndhardcorefrm1.showMessage?topicID=28742.topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I'd take #5 for two 1st rounders. They can keep Smith and we can keep our second round pick. Is NE trying to draft a RB at #5? RB seems to be their only weakness. A. Smith Age: 31 Career avg per rush: 3.9 (Best was 4.3 in his first season, 3.5 in his latest) Thousand yards? Twice in seven years...... Seems to me he's reached his peak and has no where to go but down. I would like to have this guy for short yardage situations but he's not our solution for a every down back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by HokieSkinsFan This was just posted over at CPND too, and it doesn't just involve both of New England's 1st round picks and Smith. Skins get Antowain Smith Both 1st round picks (#21 and #32) Both 2nd round picks (#57 and #64) Pats get 1st round pick (#5) 2nd round pick (#41) Ah! Now THAT's a great trade. If this has been offered to us, we need to jump on it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 It doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Nope. Antwoin SMith is no upgrade at tailback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by HokieSkinsFan This was just posted over at CPND too, and it doesn't just involve both of New England's 1st round picks and Smith. Skins get Antowain Smith Both 1st round picks (#21 and #32) Both 2nd round picks (#57 and #64) Pats get 1st round pick (#5) 2nd round pick (#41) Under that scenario, if we ignore Antowain Smith, the scenario has the following "draft chart" value. Redskins #5 and #41: 1700 + 490 = 2190 Pats #21, #32, #57, and #64: 800 + 590 + 330 + 270 = 1990. Roughly equivalent. We're giving up more in chart value, but they are throwing Antowain Smith into the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Smith will be 32 when the season gets underway and looking at his stats its obvious that his skills are eroding. He's no more then a spot player now. Now if NE gave us both their #1's and both thieir #2's for our #5, you would have to seriously consider it. Antwain Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 how about that Faulk guy? Kevin Faulk or something hes pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Are you kidding? Smith is like 31 or 32 right now. Unless Pats give us both their 1st and 2nd round picks it would be an awful trade. Remember what we had to give up to the 9ers to move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 If we keep our spot @ 41. and get #57 - Then this deal may work. But I think moving that far down in the first and the second does not help in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Two for one sounds good but we have to see if Betts can play or not? He's hasn't had a chance with the staff. He's young and can turn out to be good running back. We know he can catch the ball so why give up on him so soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by Zen-like Todd Under that scenario, if we ignore Antowain Smith, the scenario has the following "draft chart" value. Redskins #5 and #41: 1700 + 490 = 2190 Pats #21, #32, #57, and #64: 800 + 590 + 330 + 270 = 1990. Roughly equivalent. We're giving up more in chart value, but they are throwing Antowain Smith into the mix. When you look at it from this perspective, I really like it. With these picks we get a d-lineman at #21, a tight end (maybe Ben Troupe) at #32 and probably go DB and RB at #57 and #64. The Pats will probably draft a WR. I would be fine with this. and I think Gibbs would be much more comfortable with a veteran RB in the fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 That trade is good for the following reason: We'd be getting two first-round picks for one first-round pick and one second-round pick. That's the most important part. Not to mention that the salary we'd have to pay the two later-first-round players would be considerably less than the #5 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I can't say I'm a fan of the trade as it was proposed. If we traded our #5 overall for their #21, #32, and #57 picks, it makes a little more sense. I'm not sure why we would trade our #41 for their other 2nd rounder and antowain smith. Incidentally, there is one significant benefit to doing this. If we trade down to #21 and #32 in the first round, it winds up being much less expensive than taking someone at #5 overall and paying them a 13 million dollar signing bonus. At this point, I think it then becomes feasible to talk about going after someone like Jevon Kearse. Had we stayed at 5, I don't see how it would have been financially prudent to go after someone like that, but at #21 and #32, it suddenly seems like a much more reasonable option. Last year at #22 overall, Rex Grossman signed a 5 year, 6.9 million dollar contract, with a 2 million dollar bonus. At #21, Jeff Faine signed a 7 year, 9.1 million dollar contract, voidable to 5 years and 7.2 million. Kids, that is peanuts compared to a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueck Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 The trade isn't that bad. We would get volume so that we could pick up some good players to help: TE, DT, DE. On the other hand if we played our hand we could pick up an all star player that would expand our offense and put us at the next level. Tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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