EvoSkins Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I posted idea on another thread. Using the draft pick value chart, I figured out these possibilities. The number next to the picks is the combined pick value. Another possible situation would be to trade the Skin's 5th for the Bengal's entire draft (17th, 49th, 80th, 113th, 144th, 177th and 208th). Mathematically, it could work, but CIN would never do it. Here is the link to the pick value chart: http://footballcorner.bizland.com/DraftValueChart.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 We are in a great spot everybody behind us except Jacksonville love Sean Taylor.The Lions,Falcons,Browns and Texans covet him.I think if the right player is thier we could get a 2nd especially from Houston. I'd take a 3rd to move down with Atlanta or Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoSkins Posted February 3, 2004 Author Share Posted February 3, 2004 The Skins could maybe get a 1st and a 3rd from CLE/ATL for the 5th overall. They could get a 1st, 3rd and 4th from HOU, with a longshot getting a 1st and 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I don't want to see the Skins trade down at all. Stay put and draft the best player on the board. If there isn't a player who should be drafted 5th overall, then try and trade out of that spot. Use the 2nd and 3rd rounds to fill needs. The first round should be for best player available. In this case it will probably be Sean Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFanFromAsia Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Yes, Sean Taylors then Greg Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins022 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I would like to see them trade down. We have needs in alot of areas that we could fix by trading down and still getting a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Have any of you ever heard of F R E E A G E N C Y!! Hold off on the draft talk AT LEAST until the middle of March please!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbob74 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I voted for the Jacksonville trade, they may want to move up for either Winslow jnr or Roy Williams, or even Fitzgerald if he somhow falls to #5. By only moving down 4 spots we still have a choice of all the DL men available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chet06 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Pick up Sean Taylor or trade down to get a D lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I think the only way we should trade down is if Sean Taylor is not there at #5. He's now #2 on Mel's board - whatever that is worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkam Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by JWB Have any of you ever heard of F R E E A G E N C Y!! Hold off on the draft talk AT LEAST until the middle of March please!! Exactly! We have no idea what our draft needs will be until the first free agency passes. I would be shocked if we don't make a big splash there. (Gibbs has hinted as such, and we know Danny boys record). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidPennSkin Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I like to use this draft value chart because it gives us more points for the #5 pick but doesn’t change the lower picks that much. It’s hard to say which chart the NFL teams will use, maybe there is yet another chart they like better, and maybe each team has its own individual chart. If you use the above-referenced chart, our #5 pick is worth 1800 points and we could theoretically trade for New England’s #21, #32 and #56 (1825 points) Houston’s #10 and #40 (1810) New England’s #21, #32, #64 and #128 (1795) New Orleans #18, #48, $57 and #121 (1774) I like the idea of trading down to get more picks. The top picks get you better players, but getting more good players is better than getting a few superstars. This is especially true for a team like the Redskins, with a lot of positions with average (or worse) talent. The draft is a crapshoot anyway, and you never really know which players will turn out to be pro bowlers. However, the percentage of players going to the pro bowl is a rough measure of the talent level available at each round in the draft. Looking at the drafts from 1991-2001, we can construct the following table: From this data, and the data on the average signing bonus paid in 2003 to players in each draft pick range, it looks to me like the best place to pick up good players for a reasonable price is in the second half of round 1 and the top half of round 2, picks #17 through #48. Players in this group have a fair chance of going to the pro bowl, but they don't break the bank. Players signed in rounds 2-7 usually play for the vet minimum salary, whereas players in round 1 get much more expensive contracts. In past drafts, it is pretty rare for a team to give up it's first and second round picks to move up in round 1. Most teams want to keep their round 2 pick when they more up. Nevertheless, we should try to trade down to get more players in picks #17-48, which is the "sweet spot" in the draft, IMHO. As New England showed, football is a team game and a team doesn't need a lot of pro bowlers to win the Superbowl. Huge salary disparities on the team make for a me-first attitude. Players who make the pro bowl usually want more money when their contract comes up. If you have too many pro bowlers on the team, you can't afford to pay the other players enough to ensure that all the weak spot on the team are filled. Team balance is what wins games, and that is best achieved by having most positions filled with good but not great players, because no team can afford to have superstars at every position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 i say trade down and get as many picks as possible. gibbs is a genious in finding that diamond in the rough. he made great players out of late round picks, so i say since we have alot of needs we have to trade down, but stay in the first half of the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hey I'd trade our 5th to Carolina for their 31st and Deshaun Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I like the idea of trading down so Gibbs can draft his kind of guys, also this team is in desperate need of depth, BUT, Sean Taylor in a Gregg Williams defense with Champ and Smoot in coverage is a very tempting possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 If all these teams love Sean Taylor, doesn't that tell you something about the type of player Sean Taylor is. I am sure all of these teams having more pressing needs than safety, yet are still willing to trade up and draft Taylor. This just proves the fact that its not a bad idea to take Taylor with our #5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 TRADE DOWN! ALWAYS TRADE DOWN! We traded down two years ago and still got our franchise QB. We're younger than we used to be but we still have depth issues, so stocking up on as much good young talent as possible is smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey T Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 If Taylor is gone, trade back but not out of the top 10. Except for the QB position, the others drafted in the top 10 shoud be immediate starters. Geesh, I hope Taylor is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubster Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by Skins26 Hey I'd trade our 5th to Carolina for their 31st and Deshaun Foster. Amen to that. I think Foster would be an all pro if he was an evey down back. The t.d. run he had in the super bowl was great.:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by Skins26 Hey I'd trade our 5th to Carolina for their 31st and Deshaun Foster. why would you trade for a back thats had one productive year as a backup and is coming off of microfracture knee surgery, which I may add is an experiemental procedure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottb Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 The #5 and FA provide sooo many options. Perfect fodder for a Redskin message board. Today I feel like door #2 and keep the pick and go for a playmaker. Use FA for a dline upgrade. Tommorrow ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by mookie0720 If all these teams love Sean Taylor, doesn't that tell you something about the type of player Sean Taylor is. I am sure all of these teams having more pressing needs than safety, yet are still willing to trade up and draft Taylor. This just proves the fact that its not a bad idea to take Taylor with our #5 pick. Hell no. You don't draft the best player available, you draft the players that will fit the team! This isn't basketball, one superstar won't win you rings! Based on such arguments, why don't we just trade up and grab Eli Manning or Larry Fitzgerald and get some stars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 why would you trade for a back thats had one productive year as a backup and is coming off of microfracture knee surgery, which I may add is an experiemental procedure? Well the knee looks pretty damn goot to me. And why would I do such a thing, uh........how many times have you seen this guy play???? He's absolutely fantastic IMO. He can do it all, great running back, as soon as he gets a chance to be a feature back, whether its with Carolina or somehwere else, as soon as he gets that chance, he will be a pro bowl running back. The guy is just awesome. Trust me on this one, its not just one good year. He was the 2nd pick of the 2nd round a couple years ago, he should have won the heismann, if he hadnt of gotten screwed, some people said they saw him driving an alums car so he got suspended, turns out after the season it wasnt true, too late for him, which really sucks. He's a great guy too. Got it all, character/hands/power/strength/agility/speed/vision he has it all, he's gonna be awesome. The surgery obviously worked, I mean he played without any injury problems all year. Which means he's already healthier than Canidate/Betts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 For all of you "wait until after free agency" opinions out there. There is not one safety the Redskins could pick up that would change my mind about drafting Sean Taylor if he is there at 5. Unless Mike Ditka gets hired on as GM to a team with picks 5-10, I say stay and draft the best player available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 After all these arguements ive been having about RB's and trying to get Deshaun Foster..... I must say I do completely agree with KevinthePRF Sean Taylor is who we should take at 5. Taylor is the best player in the draft, there should be no questions about it if he's there, we gotta take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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