Hall of Fame voting Today...

[DieselPwr44]

The vote for the Hall of Fame is today. Anyone know where we can send an email to support Monk and help him out?

[rdsknbill]

Don't think that there's any point. The decision's has probably already been made.

If Art doesn't get in this year, I will burn my HOF shirt from Canton

[Tarhog]

Here's their email address:

halloffame@hof.com

I fired them off an email and told them to get it right this year or they'd have lost ALL credibility with Redskins fans.

[Zen-like Todd]

They are probably voting right now. Quick, someone hire a skywriter to fly over their meeting place in Houston.

[Tarhog]

Don't bother emailing. you'll get an error message saying their 'mailbox is full'.

I'll bet

[Canadian Hog]

I don't possibly see how the Hall of Fame vote will not be filled with anti-Redskin sentiment. Patrick was screwed over in the tough guy competition, and now the same is going to happen to Art Monk. The football world doesn't like to see Redskin fans happy. We were on top of the world when we landed Joe Gibbs, and now they are going to do all within their power to make us a disgruntled group again. I have a bad feeling about Art's chances again this year. Hopefully I'm wrong.

When Art gets omitted in favour of James Lofton, you know something is going on behind closed doors.

[terpfan44]

Fox and Ford both need to hear about the nature of the promotion...it's a sham...Fox 5 needs a boycott of it's advertisers

and the threat to Ford to never buy a vehicle.

[panthro]

Originally posted by terpfan44

Fox and Ford both need to hear about the nature of the promotion...it's a sham...Fox 5 needs a boycott of it's advertisers

and the threat to Ford to never buy a vehicle.

Wrong thread..

[Zen-like Todd]

Two things:

1) There are 39 members, and players need to clear 80% of the vote to be inducted, which means if 8 people don't vote for him, he's out.

2) Proof that Dr. Z is a complete and total moron. From an article he wrote in October:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/dr_z/10/23/insider/index.html

WIDEOUTS

Henry Ellard, Cliff Branch, Art Monk, Drew Pearson, Sterling Sharpe, Wesley Walker.

I had a lot of trouble with this bunch. They all had impressive numbers, and when I started comparing them ... years played, games missed, total catches, yards per reception, even percentage of passes caught for touchdowns ... I got dizzy. And then I broke it off and closed my eyes and asked myself, "Who do I see making the biggest plays in the biggest games?" Sort of the Lynn Swann approach. Quality over quantity. And what came back to me was something that surprised me, since I never rooted for him because I didn't like his team -- in fact, he used to upset me no end because he did such damage to clubs I was pulling for. And that individual is ... the envelope please ... the only one who will represent this fine group on my ballot -- No. 88 for the Dallas Cowboys, Drew Pearson.

[Tarhog]

From the Hall of Fame website:

http://www.profootballhof.com/index.cfm?section=team&cont_id=182121

Charged with the vital task of continuing to be sure that new enshrinees are the finest the game has produced is the Pro Football Hall of Fame's 39-man Board of Selectors (see list below).

The Board consists of one media representative from each pro football city with two from New York, inasmuch as that city has two teams in the National Football League. A 33rd member is a representative of the Pro Football Writers of America and there are six at-large delegates.

With the exception of the PFWA representative who is appointed for a two-year term, all appointments are of the open-end variety and can be terminated only by retirement or resignation, as long as the member continues to attend meetings regularly.

The Board of Selectors meets annually at the time of the Super Bowl to elect new members. There is no set number for any class of enshrinees but, the Board's current ground rules do stipulate that between three and six new members will be selected each year. The 1973 and 1976 classes of three were the smallest ever named.

Every candidate is carefully scrutinized and must receive at least 80 percent approval of the Board at the annual meeting before he can be elected. A scale of negative votes for elimination that will vary depending on the number of Selectors in attendance is used.

When the Selectors meet in Houston, Texas next January to name the Class of 2004, they will have before them a roster of 15 final candidates, along with detailed biographies on each. To assure that older players will be considered along with the younger breed, the Seniors Committee made up of nine veteran members of the overall Selection Committee have named two nominees from the pre-1979 era to be included on the final list.

The other finalists will be the survivors from a preliminary list of some 60 to 70 candidates that the Board will have screened by mail ballot. That original list will have been in part provided by the fans themselves.

Any fan may nominate any qualified person who has been connected with pro football in any capacity simply by writing to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The only restriction is that a player must have been retired at least five years before he can be considered. For example, a candidate for the 2004 class must have concluded his career not later than the 1998 season.

For a non-player, there is no mandatory retirement period, but a coach must be retired before he may be considered. Every nomination received will be processed and forwarded to the Board of Selectors.

It is important to emphasize that the Hall of Fame itself has no say whatsoever as to who is or is not elected to membership. The only function of the staff is to process the nominations as they arrive and to coordinate the annual meeting.

[bubba9497]

Lets compare Monk with some of his contemporaries with the same number of years, and same era.....

Steve Largent

1976 sea | 14 | 4 -14 -3.5 0 | 54 705 13.1 4 |

| 1977 sea | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 33 643 19.5 10 |

| 1978 sea | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 71 1168 16.5 8 |

| 1979 sea | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 66 1237 18.7 9 |

| 1980 sea | 16 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 66 1064 16.1 6 |

| 1981 sea | 16 | 6 47 7.8 1 | 75 1224 16.3 9 |

| 1982 sea | 8 | 1 8 8.0 0 | 34 493 14.5 3 |

| 1983 sea | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 72 1074 14.9 11 |

| 1984 sea | 16 | 2 10 5.0 0 | 74 1164 15.7 12 |

| 1985 sea | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 79 1287 16.3 6 |

| 1986 sea | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 70 1070 15.3 9 |

| 1987 sea | 13 | 2 33 16.5 0 | 58 912 15.7 8 |

| 1988 sea | 15 | 1 -3 -3.0 0 | 39 645 16.5 2 |

| 1989 sea | 10 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 28 403 14.4 3 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 200 | 17 83 4.9 1 | 819 13089 16.0 100 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Art Monk

1980 was | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 58 797 13.7 3 |

| 1981 was | 16 | 1 -5 -5.0 0 | 56 894 16.0 6 |

| 1982 was | 9 | 7 21 3.0 0 | 35 447 12.8 1 |

| 1983 was | 12 | 3 -19 -6.3 0 | 47 746 15.9 5 |

| 1984 was | 16 | 2 18 9.0 0 | 106 1372 12.9 7 |

| 1985 was | 15 | 7 51 7.3 0 | 91 1226 13.5 2 |

| 1986 was | 16 | 4 27 6.8 0 | 73 1068 14.6 4 |

| 1987 was | 9 | 6 63 10.5 0 | 38 483 12.7 6 |

| 1988 was | 16 | 7 46 6.6 0 | 72 946 13.1 5 |

| 1989 was | 16 | 3 8 2.7 0 | 86 1186 13.8 8 |

| 1990 was | 16 | 7 59 8.4 0 | 68 770 11.3 5 |

| 1991 was | 16 | 9 19 2.1 0 | 71 1049 14.8 8 |

| 1992 was | 16 | 6 45 7.5 0 | 46 644 14.0 3 |

| 1993 was | 16 | 1 -1 -1.0 0 | 41 398 9.7 2 |

| 1994 nyj | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 46 581 12.6 3 |

| 1995 phi | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 6 114 19.0 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 224 | 63 332 5.3 0 | 940 12721 13.5 68 |

John Stallworth

1974 pit | 13 | 1 -9 -9.0 0 | 16 269 16.8 1 |

| 1975 pit | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 20 423 21.1 4 |

| 1976 pit | 8 | 1 47 47.0 1 | 9 111 12.3 2 |

| 1977 pit | 14 | 6 47 7.8 0 | 44 784 17.8 7 |

| 1978 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 41 798 19.5 9 |

| 1979 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 70 1183 16.9 8 |

| 1980 pit | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 9 197 21.9 1 |

| 1981 pit | 16 | 1 17 17.0 0 | 63 1098 17.4 5 |

| 1982 pit | 9 | 1 9 9.0 0 | 27 441 16.3 7 |

| 1983 pit | 4 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 8 100 12.5 0 |

| 1984 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 80 1395 17.4 11 |

| 1985 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 75 937 12.5 5 |

| 1986 pit | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 466 13.7 1 |

| 1987 pit | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 41 521 12.7 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 165 | 10 111 11.1 1 | 537 8723 16.2 63

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Charlie Joiner Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1969 hou | 7 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 7 77 11.0 0 |

| 1970 hou | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 28 416 14.9 3 |

| 1971 hou | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 31 681 22.0 7 |

| 1972 cin | 6 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 8 133 16.6 0 |

| 1972 hou | 6 | 2 12 6.0 0 | 16 306 19.1 2 |

| 1973 cin | 5 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 13 214 16.5 0 |

| 1974 cin | 14 | 4 20 5.0 0 | 24 390 16.2 1 |

| 1975 cin | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 37 726 19.6 5 |

| 1976 sdg | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 50 1056 21.1 7 |

| 1977 sdg | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 35 542 15.5 6 |

| 1978 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 33 607 18.4 1 |

| 1979 sdg | 16 | 1 -12 -12.0 0 | 72 1008 14.0 4 |

| 1980 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 71 1132 15.9 4 |

| 1981 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 70 1188 17.0 7 |

| 1982 sdg | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 36 545 15.1 0 |

| 1983 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 65 960 14.8 3 |

| 1984 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 61 793 13.0 6 |

| 1985 sdg | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 59 932 15.8 7 |

| 1986 sdg | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 440 12.9 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 239 | 8 22 2.8 0 | 750 12146 16.2 65 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

When you add in the records, and the 3 championships , the fact Art Monk had several different QB's over his career, as well as playing in a run first ball control offense, Plus he was one of the best blocking WR ever..... How can he NOT be inducted?

[J33Edwards]

God Dr. Z is an idiot...we might as well put Timmy Smith in the Hall he had a pretty career defining game in the Super Bowl against the Broncos...

Drew Pearson...

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1973 dal | 14 | 22 388 17.6 2 |

| 1974 dal | 14 | 62 1087 17.5 2 |

| 1975 dal | 14 | 46 822 17.9 8 |

| 1976 dal | 14 | 58 806 13.9 6 |

| 1977 dal | 14 | 48 870 18.1 2 |

| 1978 dal | 16 | 44 714 16.2 3 |

| 1979 dal | 15 | 55 1026 18.7 8 |

| 1980 dal | 16 | 43 568 13.2 6 |

| 1981 dal | 16 | 38 614 16.2 3 |

| 1982 dal | 9 | 26 382 14.7 3 |

| 1983 dal | 14 | 47 545 11.6 5 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 156 | 489 7822 16.0 48 |

Hall of Good maybe...Hall of Fame hell no.

Monk

| Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1980 was | 16 | 58 797 13.7 3 |

| 1981 was | 16 | 56 894 16.0 6 |

| 1982 was | 9 | 35 447 12.8 1 |

| 1983 was | 12 | 47 746 15.9 5 |

| 1984 was | 16 | 106 1372 12.9 7 |

| 1985 was | 15 | 91 1226 13.5 2 |

| 1986 was | 16 | 73 1068 14.6 4 |

| 1987 was | 9 | 38 483 12.7 6 |

| 1988 was | 16 | 72 946 13.1 5 |

| 1989 was | 16 | 86 1186 13.8 8 |

| 1990 was | 16 | 68 770 11.3 5 |

| 1991 was | 16 | 71 1049 14.8 8 |

| 1992 was | 16 | 46 644 14.0 3 |

| 1993 was | 16 | 41 398 9.7 2 |

| 1994 nyj | 16 | 46 581 12.6 3 |

| 1995 phi | 3 | 6 114 19.0 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 224 | 940 12721 13.5 68 |

[PCS]

"The Board consists of one media representative from each pro football city with two from New York, inasmuch as that city has two teams in the National Football League. A 33rd member is a representative of the Pro Football Writers of America and there are six at-large delegates.

With the exception of the PFWA representative who is appointed for a two-year term, all appointments are of the open-end variety and can be terminated only by retirement or resignation, as long as the member continues to attend meetings regularly."

Is it me or do those statements just make ones skin crawl....among other things.

[Trevor]

Monk's not getting in this year. John Clayton was ESPN radio and he was asked about Monk and he said he was going to be very difficult for Monk to get in. This was said after the vote in which Clayton was a part of. He said expect some surprises so I'm expecting Brown the o-lineman and Bob Hayes to get in. He couldn't say exactly who was in due to some confidentially thing.

[just skins baby]

What Trevor said.