Riggo-toni Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 A test of your Homer tendencies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Brasi Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Ty Law changes games. Does Champ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Im one of the biggest homers on this site but I have to say that T.Law would be my pick. He seems to always make gigantic plays at the right time - especially in the big games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Luca Brasi Ty Law changes games. Does Champ? New England. Game Changed b.c. of Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpSkin Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 It's easier for a CB to change games when he has an awesome supporting cast and scheme to play with. You "grass is always greener" types blow my mind. Champ is better. I'm not saying we should keep him regardless of his monetary demands... but for the same price, Champ is better. And put in the same defense, Champ would be more obvious of a game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfanforlife Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Champ Bailey in my mind is one of the most overrated players in the NFL. FOr some reason everybody has labeled champ as one of the best in the league. How did this come about? what has he done. i mean this guy gets burned in big plays and i cant even count how many times this yr cause there were so many. I never see him make tackles, he is a CB right? shouldnt his INT numbers be higher? you wanna talk about great CB, lets talk about darrell green. whats green's total INT? ive seen green make so many big tackles regradless of his size. that tackle catching upto dorsett and eric dickerson. man what a player green was. remeber that punt return td against the bears in the playoffs in soldier field when he sprained his rib? anyway he is not worth the money he is asking for and we should put a tag on him and get two first round picks. that is the best way to go. and remeber gibbs can manage with avg players and win all the time. make them into all pro players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 skinsfanforlife - i hate to admit it but I completely agree w/ you about champ being overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Luca Brasi Ty Law changes games. Does Champ? My thoughts exactly ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Brasi Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Troy Fakeman New England. Game Changed b.c. of Champ. Giants at FedEx. Champ got beat deep. Twice. Game changed b.c. of Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNorth Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Law has had a better yr, but going into this yr, Champ was without question the better CB. Keep in mind that Law was rumored to be a possible cap hit around the time that Milloy was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Law is on a better defense with a better coach. Champ hasn't had the same DC two years in a row since he was a rookie. Law plays for a defensive genius while last year Champ played for a 1st time DC. In case you wonderful Redskin fans have forgotten coaching does make a difference just asked the Cowgirls. Why knock our players when they haven't been getting good coaching? Our head coach gave away are best running back and was in over his head. Every year our players have to change their style and all you guys can do is say someone is better because they have been in the same system for years. I bet if Champ got to pay for Belichick for 6 years he would be the best corner by far. Coaching and a D line does make a difference when you play DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Champ fought Ty Law, and, Ty Law won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 For those fans with short-term memories, or those who've only see Law play in say...TWO GAMES EVER, he has had a worse season than Champ had this year. Actually, more than one. He's been burnt by the likes of Kevin Johnson (?), the same WR the Browns waived in the middle of the season. Yes, the Browns. Toomer may have Champ's number, but at least Toomer puts up pro bowl numbers. He's NEVER been asked to shadow the opposing teams best reciever, those are duties only been given to Champ and Woodson among active cornerbacks. Also, he plays on a defense with Bill Belichick. The same coach who made Otis Smith actually look like a decent corner. Before Belichick showed up, NO ONE was even considering Law to be in the Top 5 corners in the league. This poll should be a little different, compare both players on the same defenses. No need to even go into how much more talented Champ is to Law, that's pointless. Do you think Law would play better than Champ on New England's defense, which uses an awesome scheme and doesn't have any glaring weaknesses, like say, THE DLINE!! Or the Skins defense, which doesn't anywhere near a good Dline, nor safeties that don't fall for playaction, or linebackers who know their assignments. Now if you don't think all of that affects the way a corner is going to approach a game, then I really don't know what to tell you. It does, and when you have that many things going wrong, it'll eventually affect the way even your best players play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Luca Brasi Giants at FedEx. Champ got beat deep. Twice. Game changed b.c. of Champ. SO? Champ gets burned on every giants game? What is your point? Toomer has his number, bfd. email me if you need to know what bfd stands for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Chanmp made a good a matador. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Champ isn't as good as he thinks he is, but you can say that about most of the players in the NFL. You can't blame a guy for trying to "market" himself and try to make more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Anybody who has been to the pro bowl at least once, is as good as they think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Law is having a great run, and his timing couldn't have been better. But Law has had much worse years than Champ did this past season. Law seems to always follow a great season with a bad one. And I've seen Law get burned by a lot worse receivers than Champ has. Yes, Law is one of the best corners in the league. He's not as talented as Champ, but his coaches have put him in a position to make plays, and he's shown a knack for making them in clutch situations. I think a lot of the perceptions have to do with opportunity, and Law has certainly had a better coaching staff, better supporting cast, and a bigger stage. But overall, Champ has been a better player as far as year-to-year consistancy goes, despite all the turmoil in the Skins organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by GURU Law is having a great run, and his timing couldn't have been better. But Law has had much worse years than Champ did this past season. Law seems to always follow a great season with a bad one. And I've seen Law get burned by a lot worse receivers than Champ has. Yes, Law is one of the best corners in the league. He's not as talented as Champ, but his coaches have put him in a position to make plays, and he's shown a knack for making them in clutch situations. I think a lot of the perceptions have to do with opportunity, and Law has certainly had a better coaching staff, better supporting cast, and a bigger stage. But overall, Champ has been a better player as far as year-to-year consistancy goes, despite all the turmoil in the Skins organization. That is exactly my point. I don't think anyone that choose Law in this poll has seen him play more than 5 games, or even remember when Pats fans were pissed that he signed that huge contract and proceeded to get burnt in every game the very next season. And no, I'm not talking about getting a few catches caught on him and maybe a touchdown. That is what Champ went through this season. Law was having recievers get career games on him, becoming Eric Moulds' b!tch, and letting Kevin Johnson look like Marvin Harrison. Best in the league my @$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chet06 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Champ = Shutdown corner = less picks by definition = no zone = more man coverage. Champ = Great corner (Inspite of years of a crappy pass rush) Ty Law = Good corner (gets tremendous help from system and pass rush.) Net, Net: Champ will be even better when he gets some pass rush and the Skins can tee of on the pass, and play a little bit more zone. Before we ship him out of town for a couple of first rounders lets consider his full potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 chet YOU ARE A GOD. Thank you for setting these idiots straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chet06 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 No I am not...If that were the case I would'nt be getting laid off in two weeks. Although, I am hoping atleast for a fat package. But thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Don't forget Champ was playing with a BROKEN WRIST and SPRAINED SHOULDER this year. Our Dline was horrid and as much as you think DG got more INT's you better check the stats. DG was a shut down corner. He DID NOT get a lot of INT's. Edited to change "if" to "of" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sowers Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 It's really the agents that get these guys huge attitudes. They try to get as much money as possible and do a good job escalating the players' ego which makes them more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sowers Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Ty Law or Champ? Well, why not be like every other person who judges a guy's skills on wins. "Ty Law has a superbowl ring, he MUST be the better player" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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