Samuels Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Not sure why Wilfork gets no pub around here. I personally like Winslow2 or Taylor but we can't ignore Wilfork. Wilfork is quick off the snap just like Sapp despite being 350lbs. He constantly takes on double and triple teams. He is the perfect anchor for our revamped d-line. If he gets paired with another stout Dt he'll be a pro bowler by year 3. He does have short arms but it does'nt effect him and I can't imagine how mobile he'll be if he drops 20lbs.. I also read Casserly think Tommie Harris is the best d-lineman in this draft and won't slip past #10 they like him has a 3-4 end. He is cat quick and can't be blocked 1 on 1 and if he can gain 20 lbs or get beside a bigger plugger he'll be a LaRoi Glover 1 gap type. I'm beginning to think our best option would be to trade down to around #9-#13 picking up another high 2nd. We'd have a chance at Winslow,Harris,Udeze,KJ,S.Jackson,Wilfork and still have 2 2nd rounders where you should be able to get 2 starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 My problem with Wilfork is that I'm not sure if he has enough "Want to." He's improved and become more consistant, but he's going to have to do more at the NFL level. I'm not as much concerned about his weight as I am his endurance. He's got the potential to be a very good interior pass rusher at the NFL level (he WAS a good pass rusher in college), but he's going to wear down against NFL offensive linemen. He's gotten along pretty much on his talent alone at Miami. He's going to have to bust a$$ at the next level. Does he have the gumption, or will he be like Dan Wilkinson--settling for just being a pretty decent player? Harris could be a very good defensive tackle, too, in schemes that put somone over the center and allows Harris to operate with more single blocking. I think Gregg Williams could definately use a quick penetrating player like Harris, and his 46 packages would definately take advantage of his athletic ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Depending on what we do in FA and whether we decide to trade down or not, Wilfork still remains a possibility, primarily because Defensive Line is a priority. It's pretty certain, at this point, that he won't be taken with the 5th pick. Look for Vinny and company at Wilfork's private workout sometime after the Combine. You can bet they will be in attendance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Isn't he also the Miami DT who lost his mother last year.... along with a series of other family tragedies? My biggest concern is the 350lbs. he's lugging around. Seems to be an offseason away from eating his way out of the NFL. Also, his short arms may not hurt him much in college, but NFL OL will eat him up if he doesn't use perfect technique that hides the liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Young Mr. Wilfork has overcome a lot of adversity the last couple seasons. It seems football has been his refuge... http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/01/01/spt_loprestifiesta01.html In grief, 'Cane turns to game Fiesta a tribute to Wilfork's parents By Mike Lopresti Gannett News Service TEMPE, Ariz. - His last thoughts before he takes the field in the Fiesta Bowl will be of his parents; the father he buried in June and the mother he buried last month. There may be a tear or two, or more. Certainly some memories, and an unspoken reminder to his healing soul of how hard, and precious, life can be. And then he will put on his Miami Hurricanes helmet and do the work he came here to do. "I'll be thinking about what's happened to me. I'll have that feeling forever," Vince Wilfork said. "But this is my game. I'm a Hurricane." The numbers do not tell what this season has been for Vince Wilfork. Not the 12-0 Miami record or the No.1 ranking or the seven sacks he contributed as a sophomore defensive tackle. This is what the season has been: On June 5, David Wilfork died at the age of 48, after a lengthy fight with diabetes that included seven operations. On Dec.16, Barbara Wilfork died at the age of 46, from a stroke suffered five weeks earlier. They left behind two sons. The younger plays football. "It's hard to lose both your parents, just like that," Wilfork said Tuesday, with the occasional breaking voice. "I dedicated this whole season to my dad. But this last game is for both of them. They deserve it. They raised me to be the guy that I am. I'm giving it back, from a son to his parents." Tragedy upon tragedy Vince was 5 years old when his father introduced him to football. Fifteen years later, Vince would look up at many Miami practices and see David Wilfork there. In their last visit in June, with the end near, the son took his 2001 national championship ring and placed it in his father's hands. His father's death was heartbreaking. But at least he still had his mother. Her stroke came in early November. Vince missed the Tennessee game to be with his mother, but she improved after that. On Dec.15, Barbara Wilfork seemed well enough to be leaving the hospital soon in what would be a glorious Christmas present for her sons. The next day, Vince's cell phone rang, as he was taking his pregnant girlfriend to a doctor's appointment. It was his brother. Their mother was gone. "I couldn't believe what was happening," he said. Finding strength Wilfork's mourning is so acute, even the other camp has noticed. Ohio State tailback Maurice Clarett has ignited headlines for two days over his anger at not being allowed to return home Monday for the funeral of a friend. But Clarett broke into his irritation Tuesday to mention: "There's a Miami guy who's lost both his parents. I'm sitting here talking about this, and I can't imagine how he feels. I don't know if I'd even play." Not play? It has been Wilfork's escape, his teammates and coaches his support group. "The team needs me," he told a coach after his mother's funeral. "And I need the team." So he will play Friday, scars and all. He is due to become a father around Valentine's Day. A little girl. He said Tuesday he can't wait, for the Fiesta Bowl, or for the birth. Because life goes on. ---- Do a google search of "Vince Wilfork Tragedy" and several pages will pop up. Such a shame. Maybe the "family atmosphere" Gibbs hopes to foster on the Redskins will be a stabilizing influence for him. Either way, best of luck to Mr. Wilfork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 You always have to be worried about short arms on a DL in the NFL and a guy who already has to fight putting on the pounds. Many a guy -- especially DT's -- have eaten their way out of the NFL. In fact we have one of those guys on our team now. His name is Reggie McGrew, a former #1 pick of the 49ers, who is trying to make a comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted January 27, 2004 Author Share Posted January 27, 2004 Wilfork maybe overweight at 350lbs but he is very quick and agile. His arms won't be a problem the guy holds his ground while being constantly doubled and tripled all game. He has the ability to blow a double team up and does so regulary. Why do you think Vilma and DJ Williams make so many plays because Wilfork is holding the line up. This guy was projected has the number 1 pick last year but decided to return this year. If he get beside someone that also commands a double team he will make a major impact at his current weight. He also is very overpowering and squatty really the perfect NG.If he can drop weight very likely in a NFL camp he can be a superstar Dt. He is noted mostly us a quick up the field guy but he can anchor better than any D-lineman in this draft againest the run. And I'm not so sure he won't rise back to the top 5.He'll workout great running a great time for a 350lber and should show great strenght on the 225lbs bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 I like Wilfork a lot, if we don't get Harris, I would want to trade down and grab Wilfork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 i would love to get wilfork in the second third of the first round (11-20) and pick up a second rounder in the process. we obvioulsy need help on the DL (pre-FA), and he would be a great value. he is HUGE, but he can move too. i think that NFL paycheck will be a great motivator to the man who has to support his entire family now. i was thinking the other day how interesting it would be to sign Sapp to an incentive laden deal, then trade down and draft Wilfork.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 One of the things that bothers me is; How in H*LL did Miami lose ANY games much less play as crappy as they did if wilfork is the best DL in the draft? And Taylor is god incarnate at safety? And Vilma and williams are incredible linebackers..... and so on and so on..... Kind of reminds me when Lang and his sidekick DE were taken back to back at the 17 and 18 slots by the skins and titans as the 2cd and 3rd best DE's behind can't miss andre Wadsworth..... Maybe someone there at Miami is overrated due to the Miami press machine???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 let me find you a post i made about a month ago about the UM DL situation. i'll paste it in.... http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42820&highlight=wilfork+green+joseph+mcdougle Originally posted by Montilar Wilfork may just be your typical overrated Miami DL player. Like Kenard Lang, the De taken in the first along with Kenard Lang, Russell Maryland (he was okay, but not special). Wilfork anchored a Miami DL the last two years that was porous against the run.... maybe it was because they like to pass rush, but a Dt needs to plug the middle. Especially if he's 350 lb. my reply: this is only wilfork's first year as a starter. he came off the bench the past two seasons. and this year he is the only guy with experience on miami's DL. they lost their top FIVE DL via the draft last year. DE Jerome McDougle 1st RD- PHI DT Wm. Joseph 1st RD- NYG DE Andrew Williams 3rd RD- SF DE Jamaal Green 4th RD- PHI DT Matt Walters 5th RD- NYJ DE Cornelius Green undrafted he's getting triple teamed just like tommy harris from OKL. you wonder why Miami's LB's look so damn good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 funny, it seems it was you i was responding to then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Talk about a wasted pick. This draft is full of DT prospects like Dockett, Lavalais, Harris, etc. But it's NOT full of edge rushers who make plays. That is why it would be foolish to take Wilfork with the 5th or even if we traded down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 i don't think anyone was considering him with the #5 (this year). we have a shot at getting Marcus Tubbs, Lavalais, and maybe Dockett in the second (but that is looking slim now), and the DE position can be better upgraded through FA than the DT position this year. either way, i am all in favor of drafting a DL with one of our first two picks, regardless of what we do in FA. got to build from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Thank God, AJW Seems like all the people who are quick to bash Snyder for going after "flash" are now jumping right on the "flash" bandwagon with Taylor. "oh, he's so big and fast!" Safety...that's all I gotta say. There's a reason an NFL scout said that Michael Boulware's skills would be WASTED at safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 i think sean taylor is gonna be a great pro, but we have more important needs. when it all comes down to it, i trust in gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Ya know, Ghost, you make a good case for drafting Udeze, at times. But when you try and denigrate Sean Taylor as a prospect to make your case, you come off sounding like an idiot. Its one thing to say we have more important needs and choosing him wouldn't be the best thing for the team. But not to recognize him as a rare talent is plain old foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 This guy has Gilbert Brown written all over him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 gilbert brown had some very good years in GB. and i believe they won a super bowl with him. sounds good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 GURU I'm not doing anything the pro-Taylor supporters didn't do first. By the way, I've said repeatedly that Taylor will be a good pro but that it doesn't matter. Just as Deuce McAllister being a good pro doesn't mean anything to the Patriots because they got Seymour---who, had more questions about him than Udeze and was lower rated on many boards at this juncture. I'm just getting peeved with pretty much no evidence-based analyses and arguments, except from ASF. And when you get down to it, it IS about flash with them. That and the lame "we'll sign Free agents" yet the pro-Udeze(or pro-trade down) people have detailed cap numbers showing why this is not feasible, esp if you want to keep guys like Coles, Samuels and Jansen later on and we get nothing in response but "You can't pass on impact players" Yes you can, teams that draft do it all the time. You can't draft everyone lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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