Tom [Giants fan] Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I don't know what I was thinking. http://www.4thand26.com/pages/1/index.htm I especially love the Grief Counseling part. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbones Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 The Funny thing is Buffalo and Minnesota actually made it to the Super Bowl all those times, Philly choked before they could even get there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Eagles 0-3 in NFC Title games in 01, 02 and 03 is beginning to loom large, perhaps second only to the Bills 4 straight losses in the SB in the 1990's in recent history. it is a hump that is hard to get over. The Eagles are going to have to invest some green in skill players to work with McNabb, otherwise they are always going to come up with punchless performances in big games where the opposition defense is going to be good enough to shut down Staley, Buckhalter and Thrash/Pinkston/Mitchell with ease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted January 22, 2004 Author Share Posted January 22, 2004 bulldog, What worries me is that they actually learned that this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmythehair Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] bulldog, What worries me is that they actually learned that this year. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't. We will have to wait and see how good their off season moves are. Either way they will now have to deal with Parcells 2nd year, and both the Skins and the Giants should be a lot better now. If not this year, I bet in 2 years the NFC East will be the toughest divion in football again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] bulldog, What worries me is that they actually learned that this year. Even so, even if they get a TO, they still need to cope with the probable losses of Staley, Vincent, and Taylor. They can kid themselves all they want, but the losses of Trotter (ok here, but was great in Philly) and Douglas (a chump in Jacksonville, but had 10+ sacks in Philly and provided pressure) killed them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by MikeB Even so, even if they get a TO, they still need to cope with the probable losses of Staley, Vincent, and Taylor. They can kid themselves all they want, but the losses of Trotter (ok here, but was great in Philly) and Douglas (a chump in Jacksonville, but had 10+ sacks in Philly and provided pressure) killed them this year. They have enough $$ if Taylor, Staley, and Vincent go, to get Owens + a mid-priced FA CB like Ahmed Plummer if they wanted to. However, this is the Eagles FO lets not kid ourselves. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Maybe the Iggles would be willing to trade for Gardner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz They have enough $$ if Taylor, Staley, and Vincent go, to get Owens + a mid-priced FA CB like Ahmed Plummer if they wanted to. However, this is the Eagles FO lets not kid ourselves. :doh: And that's the thing that just baffles me. They have the cap space. They obviously are close. Why haven't they done something about it? What good is all that cap space if you don't leverage it when you really need it? They could go out and spend $$$ like sailors on shore leave in a whorehouse, snatch up a bunch of players, and increase their playmaking ability and their depth. With all the cap space they have, they wouldn't even feel it for 3 years. Even then, they could probably work around it for several more. How long term can you get? The stupidity (or hubris) of their approach just galls me. But it's more than balanced by the fact that I can't stand the Eagles. :eaglesuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 And that's the thing that just baffles me. They have the cap space. They obviously are close. Why haven't they done something about it? What good is all that cap space if you don't leverage it when you really need it? You know what is amusing, we all rip the Eagles for not spending money when they are so close. Yet back in 1999 we went 10-6, and lost a fluke playoff game to Tampa, and our owner/FO went out and spent dough to fill spots. We had a garbage defence in 1999, so we spent all kinds of money to make a run. Yet all the Snyder haters, love to bring this up. Now the question is, which way would you rather have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I honestly think Westbrook would have made a big difference. The game would've been much tighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by El Ramon I honestly think Westbrook would have made a big difference. The game would've been much tighter. I agree. And maybe a 100% healthy Davis would have loosened it again. You can play that game forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSkinzBaby Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by SonnyJ And that's the thing that just baffles me. They have the cap space. They obviously are close. Why haven't they done something about it? What good is all that cap space if you don't leverage it when you really need it? They could go out and spend $$$ like sailors on shore leave in a whorehouse, snatch up a bunch of players, and increase their playmaking ability and their depth. With all the cap space they have, they wouldn't even feel it for 3 years. Even then, they could probably work around it for several more. How long term can you get? The stupidity (or hubris) of their approach just galls me. But it's more than balanced by the fact that I can't stand the Eagles. :eaglesuck SonnyJ, They had money Andy Reid spent it all at half time buying Philly Cheese Steaks! That is why they are so frivilous spending money. It makes alot of sense to give McNabb a 100 million dollar contract and then have career # 3 receivers start. Andy Reid won't even be coaching by 2006 mark my words he'll be fired for the roach problem at the Link for all those hidden SAMMACHES left in the locker rooms. ANDY FAT BOY REID! What a joke let all his good talent go and will probably let 75% of his secondary go too. Too bad we can't get Brian Dawkins though he shure would look good in burgendy and gold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleSteve Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Well Tom, since the anger and disgust at this team has worn away a bit, I think you'll find plenty of Eagles fans who will poke fun at them. Let's just admit it - they have made themselves into a huge target, deserving of anything they get. If they do nothing this off-season except lose good players, they may replace the Cardinals as the joke of the league. I still can't consider them the biggest all-time chokers. The Vikings just about have that wrapped up. 4 SB loses in 7 years (favored in several of them), 4 NFC championship game loses, wasting away a 15-1 record in '98, blowing a 6-0 record this year. 23 playoff years in their 42 year history and no championships. The Vikings hold the crown, at least for a few more years. Believe it or not, they've accomplished all of this since the Eagles won their last championship. The Vikings entered the league in 1961 as an expansion team. Their history has been one heart break after another for their fans. The Eagles are making a strong case for themselves. Give them a few more years and they may take the crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanathos19 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by frankbones The Funny thing is Buffalo and Minnesota actually made it to the Super Bowl all those times, Philly choked before they could even get there! Agreed...everyone who compares the Eagles to the Bills and/or Vikings is giving the Eagles too much credit...at least Buffalo and Minnesota made it there!! The Eagles have made it to one Super Bowl, and got absolutely devastated in it!! I'd call them a poor-man's Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/7765853.htm Stephen A. Smith | Owens says he's perfect for Birds By Stephen A. Smith Inquirer Columnist Three strikes and you're out. It's football, not baseball, but who cares at this moment? Especially right here, right now, right in the land of gridiron purgatory - where the Eagles have managed to push misery to a new, insidious level. Another Super Bowl without Philadelphia. Another week of watching Donovan McNabb sip Campbell's soup instead of sipping champagne and hoisting the ever-elusive Lombardi Trophy. Another off-season of hearing about owner Jeffrey Lurie's "gold standard" that can't even capture a bronze - because of receivers who can't catch passes or run accurate routes. Tired already? Of course you are. And so is all-pro receiver Terrell Owens of the San Francisco 49ers. It has been eight seasons - and counting - for Owens, who has never captured a championship. So forgive him if he appears just as thirsty for a Super Bowl berth as the rest of us. "I'd definitely love to come to Philly," Owens told me yesterday. "Those guys have gotten to the NFC championship game three years in a row. Absolutely no disrespect to the players they have, but there's something out there they need to get them over the hump. I definitely believe I'm that missing piece." The Eagles should, too. Assuming they have sense. Philadelphia needs a few roughriders, folks! A few fire-breathing, showboating, pains-in-the-neck who, undoubtedly, will arrive at the Linc every Sunday to shine, instead of choirboys who figuratively tag along for the ride. A show of hands for all those who have tired of seeing James Thrash or Todd Pinkston raise their hands to the sky every time they catch a 10-yard pass and go nowhere. Trust me, you are not alone. If the best thing a team can do for its community is win, by all accounts, misery should stick around for quite some time. If anyone had the temerity to think a curse had been placed on this city, the Eagles certainly perpetuated that notion. Broken patterns. Dropped passes. An inability to get open. Playing spectator while McNabb stands in the pocket, getting his ribs cracked. That's how things will stay unless they get McNabb some help. "I just know what I bring to the table, as far as my ability," Owens said. "Not to take away from guys on their squad. I just don't see them being playmakers. And I, myself, can definitely benefit from McNabb's arm. "I think McNabb is a great QB. I think he's in a similar situation that I'm in out in San Fran. A receiver is only as good as his quarterback. My abilities rely on a QB's ability and his arm. Jeff [Garcia, the 49ers quarterback,] is not someone that's a pocket passer that's going to throw 50 yards down the field. On the flip side, McNabb can throw that pass, but has guys that struggle to turn them into something." For all those who abhor Owens' confidence and candor, shut up! He's earned the right to say what he pleases. Owens, a third-round pick out of Tennessee-Chattanooga in 1996, is a four-time Pro Bowler. He has had more than 1,000 receiving yards five times, including four of the last four seasons. He has averaged 14.5 yards a reception over his career, accumulating 8,572 yards in eight seasons. From his tirades on the sideline, to outlandish comments he may have made, to excruciating complaints about not getting the ball more, the only thing anyone has gotten on Owens about is his mouth. The Eagles? It's always their game. It can all change with Owens... if the Eagles wake up and make it happen. If the Niners don't offer Owens a lucrative extension, he's gone by the NFL's March 1 deadline. He'll exercise the voidable clause in his contract, declare himself a free agent, and look for a new address - preferably alongside a quarterback he respects. The Falcons, with Michael Vick, could pursue Owens. So could the Jets, Buccaneers, Jaguars, Ravens and Cowboys. Obviously, they all believe Owens would be worth the risk. Eagles coach Andy Reid's five-year plan is up. It's time to return to the world of common sense. "I want to play for a winner," Owens said. "And contrary to what people may believe, I wouldn't be a distraction in Philly because they have the ingredients, the bona fide elements, to get where we're all trying to get. "They utilize their weapons and their talents to the max. I don't believe that that was taking place here in San Fran." Now the Eagles should capitalize. When you're 0 for 3 in conference title games, the only 0-for-2 squad on your home turf in NFL history, desperate times call for desperate measures. Especially when a championship lies on the horizon - years after the Eagles promised it would have arrived already. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :hump: Pleaaaase spend the $$$. He wants to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 The Eagles or 'Iggles' to those who have to write things phonetically were 20 million under the cap this season...20 MILLION! then they go on field that which crap @ Rec and allow good players to leave... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted on Thu, Jan. 22, 2004 Leno has some fun with Philly's misery Eagles fans, there is someone outside of the Philadelphia area who is aware of your pain - and has joked about it on national television. That someone is comedian Jay Leno, host of the Tonight Show on NBC. Here's what he said during his opening monologue Tuesday night: "CBS announced plans today for a third CSI show called CSI: New York. I've got a better idea. How about CSI: Philadelphia? "With all those Eagles fans throwing themselves in front of buses and jumping out of windows, they've got enough bodies for two seasons." Very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsbadd Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by SonnyJ And that's the thing that just baffles me. They have the cap space. They obviously are close. Why haven't they done something about it? What good is all that cap space if you don't leverage it when you really need it? They could go out and spend $$$ like sailors on shore leave in a whorehouse, snatch up a bunch of players, and increase their playmaking ability and their depth. With all the cap space they have, they wouldn't even feel it for 3 years. Even then, they could probably work around it for several more. How long term can you get? The stupidity (or hubris) of their approach just galls me. But it's more than balanced by the fact that I can't stand the Eagles. :eaglesuck I think that theres a bigger issue here and that's the owner. You don't stay millions under the cap for a reason. Either the owners are cheap or theres cashflow problems. Just because they are under the cap so much every season doesn't mean they actaully have the money to spend/or the desire to spend it. We in Danny land are used to money flowing faster than the Potomac River. There may be more to it up in Philly. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFanInTX Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by carlsbadd I think that theres a bigger issue here and that's the owner. You don't stay millions under the cap for a reason. Either the owners are cheap or theres cashflow problems. Just because they are under the cap so much every season doesn't mean they actaully have the money to spend/or the desire to spend it. We in Danny land are used to money flowing faster than the Potomac River. There may be more to it up in Philly. Just a thought. I think the owner is CHEAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 The thing about Owens is that so far, Reid has been the undisputed sideline leader and McNabb the undisputed field leader of that team. And for all of their problems in winning the conference title games, they've still held together as a team and fought through adversity, especially with injuries. With Owens and his mouth there who knows what's going to happen at the first sign of trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggle in Exile Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Carlsbadd, there's no evidence to support your comments about Lurie. First, he's making a ton of money on the Eagles. Second, he used some of his own money to finance the stadium. Third, the guy's already rich. Fourth, all the evidence seems to indicate that he stays out of the way and lets Banner (the cap guy) and Reid dictate policy. I'm telling ya - Reid/Banner have a philosophy to stay competitive over the years, and that entails building through the draft and using FA only for filling in replacement parts. This philosophy has netted them lots of cap space, 3 appearances in the NFC Championship, and zero appearences in the Super Bowl. Is it flawed? It sure is. But is it because the owner is cheap? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabblerouser Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 "Ok, this is the last shot I take at the Eagles this season, I promise..." Yeah, you did, but why expect anything less from a Giants fan?! :doh: :moon: :shot: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggle in Exile Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Redman, I agree completely. What happens when McNabb has a bad day and overthrows and underthrows Owens a couple of times? And Owens starts yelling at Reid and/or McNabb? Or if Owens turns on McNabb like he did on Garcia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsbadd Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Originally posted by Iggle in Exile Carlsbadd, there's no evidence to support your comments about Lurie. First, he's making a ton of money on the Eagles. Second, he used some of his own money to finance the stadium. Third, the guy's already rich. Fourth, all the evidence seems to indicate that he stays out of the way and lets Banner (the cap guy) and Reid dictate policy. I'm telling ya - Reid/Banner have a philosophy to stay competitive over the years, and that entails building through the draft and using FA only for filling in replacement parts. This philosophy has netted them lots of cap space, 3 appearances in the NFC Championship, and zero appearences in the Super Bowl. Is it flawed? It sure is. But is it because the owner is cheap? No. While you are correct that there is little proof to my statement .The eagles and lurie are heavily in debt. Yes, Lurie used some of his own money to finance the Linc and the revenue is on the upswing . The Eagles are still in the middle of the pack in the NFL when it comes to total worth VS income. You can say that it's the Eagles philosophy to be cheap(and most eagles fans buy into this system) You can still build a SUPER BOWL team by getting some expensive free agents. I don't have any proof at all, it's just a idea I was putting out there. I think I may be right but thats just me. http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2003/0915/nfl_14.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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